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[Catwall]

I'm just glad that I can differentiate between my own ethics and my character's, and roleplay accordingly.

[MiceAndDogs]

Also I forgot to add that the reason Thom didn't go to the wardens after Blackwall's death was because there was a big possibility that the wardens would think he killed Blackwall. Now think about it, would it be better for him to go and take a big risk of being killed for something he didn't do, or for him to go and try to create his own good deeds in his own way so he can help people. And for those that complain about him stealing Blackwall's name and using the title of a Grey Warden, don't forget the Inquisitor also uses another's title to get into the Winter Palace. So now you might say, "But Thom killed an entire family!" Well, by the time that the Inquisitor gets to the Winter Palace, he's already killed hundreds of people that might have had families. And because the families don't have anyone to feed them, then wouldn't that effectively end up killing them too? Causing a reaction that winds up with multiple families dead isn't exactly "better" than what Thom did, especially since the family was just trying to survive...

[Br3admax]

I'm just glad that I can differentiate between my own ethics and my character's, and roleplay accordingly.

Again, this thread is about people in real life, so...And that's not even what's being discussed at the moment, which is the hate people irl have for Blackwall. 

[Br3admax]

It's ridiculous to come at the subject from the standpoint of modern morality or law. This is a world where might makes right.

The very first written laws condemn murder. As does the law of Orlais. Blackwall doesn't live in the world you're describing. No one ever did. 

 

You can forgive a person for a lot if he's the best tank you've got and there's, like, four more dragons left to kill.

True. I forgave Blackwall because I don't care about Orlesians. Doesn't mean I give a flip about him "repenting" however. 

[Addai]

The very first written laws condemn murder. As does the laws of Orlais. Blackwall doesn't live in the world you're describing.

In all societies, everywhere, the powerful allow themselves to decide what murder is and is not.

Again, this thread is about people in real life

It is?

[Ynqve]

The very first written laws condemn murder. As does the law of Orlais. Blackwall doesn't live in the world you're describing. No one ever did. 

 

 

Right. But that doesn't mean that you have to murder the murderer. There are other ways to make the murderer atone for his sin. And as other people have pointed out, the powerful have always decided the difference between murder and a justified killing. That's why we usually don't persecute soldiers for following orders. 

[Bugsie]

If this is gonna turn into 'if you hate elves in the game you're a real life racist' kind of argument I think my time here is at an end.

[Aimi]

Granted, she made up for it when she freed the slaves Castillion had taken, which led to him ordering her to steal the tome as recompense.

"No. It doesn't work like that. They're still dead."

That said, I have a take on how a certain kind of Hawke would view Isabela. Well, it's not mine, it's Matt Stover's, but...well.

---

"But - I just...the kind of s**t I've done-"

"Has nothing to do with me. You might face justice someday, if there is such a thing, and if it's unlucky enough to find you. Absolution is between you and your god."

"Then you...I guess I don't get it after all."

"Listen to me now. I know you call yourself a bad man. I know you have harmed people who were no threat to you. I know you have left a trail of horrors that scar the face of this world. I know all these things, and many more, and I don't care. They have nothing to do with me. They're not what I do."

"Maybe if you started with what you work is, instead of what it's not."

"My work is your father's madness. My work is your mother's murder. My work is pain, and fear, and having to be a parent to your parent while still you are a child."

"How do you...how can you possibly know..."

"What you call yourself, what others call you, what you have done - these mean nothing to me. I know you. You met me a month ago. I have known you since the world was born. Everything you are is what you should be. Everything you should be is what you are. I know all of you, and there is nothing in you I do not love."

[Catwall]

 

 

Again, this thread is about people in real life, so...And that's not even what's being discussed at the moment, which is the hate people irl have for Blackwall. 

 

People in real life like Blackwall? Neat! Send them my way.

 

And, there are actually a few topics being touched upon simultaneously in this thread, tangential to the OP and otherwise.

[Ryzaki]

Back to his rightful master and Mother Tevinter. 

 

*sets on fire*

 

 

Fly back to Final Fantasy

 

</3

 

See I was gonna make you some cookies. You can forget that now.

[Hazegurl]

Even with the meta knowledge, I'm still going to send him to the Wardens. I think it's the most interesting option. I want to see how he's going to react when he finally sees the Wardens for what they really are. It's easy to discard the Orlesian order as crazy and blame Cory for everything. There are no excuses like that in the Anderfels. 

lol!! I see Blackwall just running away from the Wardens then spending the rest of his life pretending to not be one.

[Sabreenei]

Dear lord, I'm glad you people don't write the laws we all have to follow. "I'm real sorry and I gave all the money to the poor, so I hope you all forgive me for robbing that bank and killing four people. Plus you're a terrible person." 

 

We can't really judge in terms of our own modern societies. Even today, there's the spirit of the law and the letter of the law. There can be different punishments accordingly. There are also lawyers, juries, things that have to be proven or disproven... It really can't be equated.

 

If this happened today, it would have to be in a country that held a dictatorship, with a brewing civil war. He would have to be one of that countries military commanders, who took money and sent his men to kill a rival, inadvertently killing the family. Then he went on the run to another country, where he put his life on the line to help others as he traveled. Years later, he joins a military group dedicated to bringing peace to a wartorn country. In such, he meets a commander who makes him see he has to stop running from his crimes. He leaves that commander, going back to the dictatorship, knowing it's certain death. Only the commander doesn't believe it's time for him to die, so pulls strings in some fashion to have him brought back and judges him personally.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Also I forgot to add that the reason Thom didn't go to the wardens after Blackwall's death was because there was a big possibility that the wardens would think he killed Blackwall. Now think about it, would it be better for him to go and take a big risk of being killed for something he didn't do, or for him to go and try to create his own good deeds in his own way so he can help people.

It would be better to honor the last wish of the man who died protecting him. 

 

 

And for those that complain about him stealing Blackwall's name and using the title of a Grey Warden, don't forget the Inquisitor also uses another's title to get into the Winter Palace.

What? We were invited as a guest of someone who was the main guest there. We didn't use anyone's name. 

 

 

So now you might say, "But Thom killed an entire family!" Well, by the time that the Inquisitor gets to the Winter Palace, he's already killed hundreds of people that might have had families. And because the families don't have anyone to feed them, then wouldn't that effectively end up killing them too? Causing a reaction that winds up with multiple families dead isn't exactly "better" than what Thom did, especially since the family was just trying to survive...

There is a huge difference between butchering a family for gold and defending yourself from being killed. No protagonist has to murder anyone. They can, but it is optional. 

[Ryzaki]

I'm just glad that I can differentiate between my own ethics and my character's, and roleplay accordingly.

 

Same.

 

According to some people I should be a puppy kicking child murderer, innocent butchering rapist because of what I do in games.

[Addai]

lol!! I see Blackwall just running away from the Wardens then spending the rest of his life pretending to not be one.

Nah, that might have been Alistair, but not Blackwall. He's a big boy and his idealism falls hardest on himself. He can handle moral ambiguity in others. I'm sure he'll be appalled at how little he knew and at the sorts he's fighting with, but he'll be one of the good ones that allow the order to continue doing what it does with some honor.

[Aimi]

Nah, that might have been Alistair,

subtle

[AresKeith]

</3

 

See I was gonna make you some cookies. You can forget that now.

 

Do you even cook? lol

[Ynqve]

lol!! I see Blackwall just running away from the Wardens then spending the rest of his life pretending to not be one.

 

And yet some people claim that sending him to the Wardens is a reward xD

[Catwall]

Same.

 

According to some people I should be a puppy kicking child murderer, innocent butchering rapist because of what I do in games.

Right? So bored by folks who thinks a roleplaying game is actually a real world values simulator.

[Ryzaki]

Nah, that might have been Alistair, but not Blackwall. He's a big boy and his idealism falls hardest on himself. He can handle moral ambiguity in others. I'm sure he'll be appalled at how little he knew and at the sorts he's fighting with, but he'll be one of the good ones that allow the order to continue doing what it does with some honor.

 

 

 

 

You take him around with Bull and keep him in the Qun and say that with a straight face.

 

[Sabreenei]

Nah, that might have been Alistair, but not Blackwall. He's a big boy and his idealism falls hardest on himself. He can handle moral ambiguity in others. I'm sure he'll be appalled at how little he knew and at the sorts he's fighting with, but he'll be one of the good ones that allow the order to continue doing what it does with some honor.

 

This. I see him as being appalled, but then standing up to be the kind of person he believes a Grey Warden should be. Maybe stop 'being who you follow' and being the leader that others can aspire to follow.

[Br3admax]

We can't really judge in terms of our own modern societies. Even today, there's the spirit of the law and the letter of the law. There can be different punishments accordingly. There are also lawyers, juries, things that have to be proven or disproven... It really can't be equated.

Again, it's not just modern laws that condemn murder. This goes back as far as civilization does itself. Murder is wrong, no matter your class, no matter your age, no matter the time. I'm not sure why that isn't common knowledge. And the punishment was always the same. In fact, the first laws punished nobility more than commoners. 

[Br3admax]

*sets on fire*

[Ryzaki]

Do you even cook? lol

 

Eggs.

 

_{Honestly I was just gonna get them from the bakery and put them in the oven and pretend}

 

But no you don't even get that </3

 

 

Right? So bored by folks who thinks a roleplaying game is actually a real world values simulator.

 

It's absurd. I use games to get all my trolly feelings out it's cathartic.

 

[Aimi]

Eggs.

Tali? She's definitely gonna want eggs.

...Miranda?

ok you should totally just add "...Miranda?" at the end of every one of your posts from here on out, the voice FPJ uses for that line is hysterical