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[alialias]

Who would've thought that The Witcher (1) does something sex-related with more taste than a Bioware game. The scene with Geralt and Vesna Hood - where people talked about the house where they made out being haunted - was actually romantic, and funny. This is just gross.

 

And this was originally the main romance for straight female Inquisitors? I have no words.

 

Actually I found his relationship incredibly romantic and moving.  The barn scene is optional, Dennet is not supposed to really be there for the kissing scenes.  The first kiss is an amazing scene.  It is my favorite romance scene in the entire game, especially if you chose the second option in the first dialogue.

As for the haters, its sad that you don't think redemption is worthwhile. There are so many facets to his story - and yes he was a totally awful person at one point in his life but he has completely changed. 

[PearsAndCherries]

Romanced Black Wall, took him back after that lie, accepted him back in Sky Hold. Yadayada

 

If I'll ever romance him again, maybe in some time, I'll dump him. Lying is just not okay. He lied about everything. It's disgusting imo.

[Ieldra]

Actually there are a lot of women who love some good old fashioned sex in the barn and I'm very happy with the romance plot with Blackwall, it's emotionally intense, hot, sweet and rewarding. I don't mind if Master Dennet learns a trick or two while watching, good for his wife xD
 
Different romance options for different people, I'm sorry that there's isn't one that works for you.

Sorry if I let my disappointment speak too loudly.
 
I wish I could piece the different aspects of different romances together. I love the easy companionship in Josephine's romance, the sex scene with Sera, the impression we're two of a kind when I romance Solas with my Lavellan, fighting dragons at Iron Bull's side and hot sex in the barn with Blackwall (if it wasn't exactly in Skyhold's courtyard, damn it). 
 
And Solas' romance does work for me. I like it almost as much as Morrigan's in DAO. It's just that my main Inquisitor is human.

@alialias:
I'll give it a try. It'll probably be the throne room scene that breaks it rather than the barn, anyway.

[AresKeith]

 

"A man who truly aspired to be righteous would not lie. He would earn respect, not steal the respect due another." - Cassandra

 

 

Which is what he does at the end, and he never really stole Blackwall's respect either 

[Xetykins]

The only thing he was stealing was the name of a dead man. The good deeds was all himself. Doubt the real Blackwall would stop and help the helpless being of an order of higher calling and all that as we have seen in DA2 and again in inquisition. Reiner did. I doubt he truly knows what kind of person Blackwall really is. Only that he respects the man as a warden and trying to help him become one.

"A man who truly aspired to be righteous would not lie. He would earn respect, not steal the respect due another." - Cassandra

[MrsHairyMcLummox]

Should we judge our companions basing our opinion on Cassandra's we should all loathe Varric, at least in the first half of the game, she tries to punch him in the face and addresses him with a lot of colorful words

Cassandra is totally distrustful of the Inquisitor too in the beginning, she just needs a lot of time to come to terms with things ^^

[Ryzaki]

Who would've thought that The Witcher (1) does something sex-related with more taste than a Bioware game. The scene with Geralt and Vesna Hood - where people talked about the house where they made out being haunted - was actually romantic, and funny. This is just gross.

 

And this was originally the main romance for straight female Inquisitors? I have no words.

 

Yep that was pretty much my reaction after the barn scene and during that godawful judgement kiss.

 

I couldn't even enjoy it in a trashy romance novel way either.

[Rekkampum]

In Sten's case I was never sure if he was remorseful over taking the lives of innocents or whether he was ashamed that his panic took the better of him. I'm not trying to demonize him, I'm just saying that he's a Qunari and, as Alistair pointed out, "regret" may mean something entirely different to him. 

 

That Zevran was a slave doesn't excuse him. Calpernia was a slave and I killed her in a heartbeat. The fact that he was sold to the Crows as a child doesn't change the fact that he enjoys his job, even after splitting from them. He even confirms that sometimes innocent (I think he specifically mentioned children) get caught in a crossfire, and even though he says it's unfortunate, he's a lot more nonchalant about it than Blackwall.

 

Maybe I'm missing something, but I rivaled Anders every time and he doesn't show a faintest sign of regret, just goes on about how this had to be done! And yes, a demon made him! Still doesn't excuse him since there's nothing in the game that suggests that he doesn't have control over his thoughts and actions. Yeah, he has his episodes, but he was clearly aware of his actions when he blew up the chantry and all the time he spent in preparation for this. If you ask him if Justice made him, he flat out tells you "no". By the way, before that, he gains approval if you sell Fenris to his former master. He's downright gleeful, tbh. 

 

To be honest, I don't understand how some people can feel the righteous indignation over Blackwall because He's a murderer! and at the same time fawn over Zevran, Anders and/or Sten. 

 

It's because of the Grey Warden thing most likely. Since most of us do have a somewhat personal connection to them through our HoF, perhaps some will view his charade with more scrutiny. I think they're all written well. Perhaps they like Zevran because he's so unapologetic about what he does - and is charming as hell at it - and then Sten... well, Sten is Sten. I rather like the Qunari myself and I usually play as one.

 

And by Andraste's ****** if I don't hate that deserter Anders. I liked him better in Awakening. In DA 2 they just turned him into a self-righteous abomination

[Iakus]

Yep that was pretty much my reaction after the barn scene and during that godawful judgement kiss.

 

I couldn't even enjoy it in a trashy romance novel way either.

Varric will be disappointed

[Rekkampum]

Varric will be disappointed

 

I'm sure he'll be able to come up with something better in his next Swords and Shields book since he can get Cassandra's input now.

[MrsHairyMcLummox]

Sorry if I let my disappointment speak too loudly.
 
I wish I could piece the different aspects of different romances together. I love the easy companionship in Josephine's romance, the sex scene with Sera, the impression we're two of a kind when I romance Solas with my Lavellan, fighting dragons at Iron Bull's side and hot sex in the barn with Blackwall (if it wasn't exactly in Skyhold's courtyard, damn it). 
 
And Solas' romance does work for me. I like it almost as much as Morrigan's in DAO. It's just that my main Inquisitor is human.

@alialias:
I'll give it a try. It'll probably be the throne room scene that breaks it rather than the barn, anyway.

 

No need to apologize, I understand it's impossible to suit all tastes. Me, I'm totally comfortable with the kiss in front of everybody because I believe it's beautiful and heartwarming to see two people in love reconcile, there' nothing to be ashamed of nor to hide. If I were a spectator I'd be d'aaaaawwww :3

About the fact that he accuses you of making a corrupted institution of the Inquisition to save him, it's because he would sacrifice everything, his life included for the cause the Inquisition is fighting, the most important thing to him is the greater good, not his life. Furthermore he was ready to pay for his fault and to die, you interfered with his decision and didn't have the right to, that's why he's pissed off.

[EmissaryofLies]

He was just being a man. 

[Ryzaki]

Varric will be disappointed

 

Well as long as he makes the hero properly swoon worthy it shouldn't be so bad

[Ahalvern]

I have to say, this topic reaching page 22 is a testament to his character. People can shout boring all they want; case closed.

 

My opinion, I think everyone deserves a chance. It would have been easier for him to sink into deppression after what he's done, or worse; not care about it and go on hiding and living isolated all his life. But he acted. He was the one who stopped you from leaving after you got information about the Grey Wardens from him and asked to join. That counts for something.

[Vita Brevis]

And this was originally the main romance for straight female Inquisitors? I have no words.

That's freaking gross if it's true.

[AresKeith]

Ok, this whole "this was originally a main romance" comments are just becoming overreactions at this point

[Br3admax]

Not really. It actually is kind of gross.

[Delilah Faye]

Poor Blackwall. He tries so hard.

 

I wish the other party companions were less harsh towards him. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

To be fair, in the end, that's exactly what he does.

Which is what he does at the end, and he never really stole Blackwall's respect either 

 

I never said otherwise. But it took him several years to do what he should have done in the first place. 

 

 

With all due respect for Cassandra, it's just one woman's opinion. One fictional woman's opinion. It doesn't really prove anything. Rainier didn't intentionally steal any respect meant for Warden Blackwall, he never bragged about real Blackwall's accomplishments. If Cassandra only respected him because of him being a Warden and not because of his actions in the Inquisition, that's Cassandra's problem. 

The only thing he was stealing was the name of a dead man. The good deeds was all himself. Doubt the real Blackwall would stop and help the helpless being of an order of higher calling and all that as we have seen in DA2 and again in inquisition. Reiner did. I doubt he truly knows what kind of person Blackwall really is. Only that he respects the man as a warden and trying to help him become one.
 

Stealing someone's identity means stealing everything they are. Even Rainier admits this. 

 

 

Should we judge our companions basing our opinion on Cassandra's we should all loathe Varric, at least in the first half of the game, she tries to punch him in the face and addresses him with a lot of colorful words

Cassandra is totally distrustful of the Inquisitor too in the beginning, she just needs a lot of time to come to terms with things ^^

Well, I have never liked Varric even in DA2 and DAI made me dislike him even more. If we could kick him out, I would. 

As for not trusting the Inquisitor at first, nobody did and I don't blame them. They had no reason to trust us at first. 

But the only reason I put Cassandra's name is because it was her line. Unlike Rainier, I don't steal what other people did for myself. 

 

Not everyone comes to terms with having a monster like Rainier in the group, especially if he gets away with what he did. 

[Ieldra]

I have to say, this topic reaching page 22 is a testament to his character. People can shout boring all they want; case closed.

 

My opinion, I think everyone deserves a chance. It would have been easier for him to sink into deppression after what he's done, or worse; not care about it and go on hiding and living isolated all his life. But he acted. He was the one who stopped you from leaving after you got information about the Grey Wardens from him and asked to join. That counts for something.

Indeed. Whatever my opinion of the romance - and that's not yet set in stone since I haven't seen it all on my screen - there's no doubt that Blackwall's an interesting character who's well worth having in this story.

 

I used to think I hate redemption stories, but I realize that was because all too often, the characters involved didn't do anything that deserved a guilt complex of that size in my view, if at all. A giant-sized atoner complex for something nothing more evil than it went against the sensibilities of some reactionaries. With Blackwall, we have a character who actually has a reason to seek redemption, and I find his story compelling if not always convincing.

[Iakus]

 

I never said otherwise. But it took him several years to do what he should have done in the first place. 

 

 

But he does get there.  Even if it took him a while. 

[AresKeith]

I never said otherwise. But it took him several years to do what he should have done in the first place. 

 

It's the fact that he did is what should matter the most instead of continuing it which he could've done 

 

Well, I have never liked Varric even in DA2 and DAI made me dislike him even more. If we could kick him out, I would.

 

Why didn't you like Varric in DA2?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

It's the fact that he did is what should matter the most instead of continuing it which he could've done 

 

 

 

Why didn't you like Varric in DA2?

 

Where did I say otherwise? I have respect for Rainier for finally doing the right thing. That doesn't change the fact that for years he didn't, either for the Callier family or for the real Blackwall. 

 

Just didn't like him. I can't really point to a specific part of the story to explain it. Especially now since who knows how much of DA2 actually happened the way Varric said it did. 

[GreenClover]

Stealing someone's identity means stealing everything they are. Even Rainier admits this.

You are being rhetorical. Neither Cassandra nor Rainier knew Blackwall's accomplishments, therefore he never claimed them as his own (heck, he wasn't even aware that Blackwall had Sylverite wings for valor). So Cassandra seems to have respected some imaginary man for imaginary virtues. When she starts talking to him about how righteous and honorable he is, he practically tells her "Woman, stahp, I am a former criminal" and she states that she is OK with it because he left that petty life to begin a new honorable one. Thus, the only thing he stole was a name.
Seriously, I could understand if Cass was angry with the nature of his crime, for it was truly horrible, but if her main problem is that he lied about his name...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You are being rhetorical. Neither Cassandra nor Rainier knew Blackwall's accomplishments, therefore he never claimed them as his own (heck, he wasn't even aware that Blackwall had Sylverite wings for valor). So Cassandra seems to have respected some imaginary man for imaginary virtues. When she starts talking to him about how righteous and honorable he is, he practically tells her "Woman, stahp, I am a former criminal" and she states that she is OK with it because he left that petty life to begin a new honorable one. Thus, the only thing he stole was a name.
Seriously, I could understand if Cass was angry with the nature of his crime, for it was truly horrible, but if her main problem is that he lied about his name...

Here is the dialogue you are thinking of. 

 

Cassandra: I am very pleased you joined us, Warden Blackwall.

Blackwall: The honor is mine, Lady Seeker.

Cassandra: We need strong, righteous warriors-now more than ever.

Blackwall: Righteous? High praise, Cassandra. Many Wardens have hardly lived righteous lives.

Cassandra: True, yet you give yourself to an Order that would die to protect others.

Cassandra: It is never too late to do better, and become more than what you are.

Blackwall: That is the hope.

 

 

So no, she respects the Wardens since they sacrifice all to protect others. Something Rainier goes around saying several times. He stole Blackwall's name and status as a Grey Warden, and all that comes with the title. Thus she thinks he is a Warden, and thus has her respect for being one only to find out it was a cover so he could evade justice, something else she strongly supports. That is what she is angry about.