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[BountyhunterGER]

Poor Blackwall. He tries so hard.

 

I wish the other party companions were less harsh towards him. 

 

Especially Solas was very harsh to him when he found out.. but luckily that changed later and he even said sorry to Blackwall.
 

[Br3admax]

Blackwall was the Warden-Constable of Orlais. People knew who he was. That's like saying no one knows about Alistair or the Warden.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Poor Blackwall. He tries so hard.

 

I wish the other party companions were less harsh towards him. 

Most companions seen that they could care less actually from the banters I hear. 

 

He deserves every bit of harshness directed at him. In fact he deserves more. 

[BountyhunterGER]

And Blackwall didn't play the Game right. It should cost him his life. Whether that means death, serving the Wardens, or in prison, he'll pay his debt to society, just like everyone else. 

 

And voluntary to fight among the army of the inquisition which is trying to safe and help Thedas is not paying his dept to society or do I misunderstand you?

[Scuttlebutt101]

Not really. It actually is kind of gross.

Now I'm intrigued. How exactly is it ~gross? 

[Xetykins]

Stealing someone's identity means stealing everything they are. Even Rainier admits this.

They "were" ( excuse my grammar if its wrong) The man is dead. And I stand by my post, what he created with the name and identity he has stolen has earned him respect for himself 10x over. I haven't heard him admit to it but if its true then its not such a shocker. The character is guilt ridden. He wont even make himself forget anything. Hell, he even thinks blackwall's death was his fault O.o. That grates even on me. Also i read on his fan thread that you kept him as the inquisitor's slave and let him keep pretending he is the real blackwall. Isn't that like worse than him?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Now I'm intrigued. How exactly is it ~gross? 

A love interest who both leaves you after sleeping with you and kisses you in front of others during his judgement come to mind. 

 

 

They "were" ( excuse my grammar if its wrong) The man is dead. And I stand by my post, what he created with the name and identity he has stolen has earned him respect for himself 10x over. I haven't heard him admit to it but if its true then its not such a shocker. The character is guilt ridden. He wont even make himself forget anything. Hell, he even thinks blackwall's death was his fault O.o. That grates even on me. Also i read on his fan thread that you kept him as the inquisitor's slave and let him keep pretending he is the real blackwall. Isn't that like worse than him?

Blackwall's death was his fault. Blackwall died protecting Rainier. If Rainier had done the right thing from the start, Blackwall could very well be alive. 

 

And no, he is not a slave. He is serving his sentence under the Inquisition's custody. It is the same thing one can do to Sten and Zevran in Origins. 

[Br3admax]

And voluntary to fight among the army of the inquisition which is trying to safe and help Thedas is not paying his dept to society or do I misunderstand you?

No. It's not. Blackwall's life belongs to the people and the Wardens of Orlais. Not me.

[AresKeith]

A love interest who both leaves you after sleeping with you and kisses you in front of others during his judgement come to mind. 

 

The first one I'll give you (though I wouldn't call it gross)

 

 

the second one..... wut?

[Scuttlebutt101]

 

 Also i read on his fan thread that you kept him as the inquisitor's slave and let him keep pretending he is the real blackwall. Isn't that like worse than him?

"Stealing someone's identity is horrible! Continue to assume Blackwall's identity, Rainier."

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The first one I'll give you (though I wouldn't call it gross)

 

 

the second one..... wut?

I'm just saying what other people have called gross about it. I never did the romance so can't say. I guess the fact he destroys your credibility by making it seem your choice was made my love/lust rather than being impartial. 

 

"Stealing someone's identity is horrible! Continue to assume Blackwall's identity, Rainier."

I have said I didn't like that part of that choice several times now, but the choice is better than letting him go free or join the Wardens. 

[Delilah Faye]

Most companions seen that they could care less actually from the banters I hear. 

 

He deserves every bit of harshness directed at him. In fact he deserves more. 

 

I would agree if he had *knowingly* murdered children. Since he didn't, it's unfair to be any more harsh to him than we are to Zevran, or Leliana, or Sten. 

 

You might draw such a clear line when it comes to everyone, for all I know, but for my part it seems that clear lines have a lot of trouble *staying* clear in Thedas.

[GreenClover]

Blackwall was the Warden-Constable of Orlais. People knew who he was. That's like saying no one knows about Alistair or the Warden.

Yet nothing in Cassandra's banter indicates that she respects him for what he had done as a Warden-Constable. We can't be even sure that she knows much about real Blackwall. Rainier, on the other hand, spends months and months fighting beside her, it's not like she didn't have a chance to know him as a person.

[Xetykins]

A love interest who both leaves you after sleeping with you and kisses you in front of others during his judgement come to mind. 
 
 


Blackwall's death was his fault. Blackwall died protecting Rainier. If Rainier had done the right thing from the start, Blackwall could very well be alive. 
 
And no, he is not a slave. He is serving his sentence under the Inquisition's custody. It is the same thing one can do to Sten and Zevran in Origins.

Now this is just being silly. Its his fault for being recruited. And his fault that blackwall wants to stop for darkspawn blood for his joining?

[GreenClover]

What's really strange to me is that those companions who are angry with Blackwall blame him not for his crime but for his lies first. I mean, the guy is responsible for murdering a bunch of innocent people, but everyone's first reaction is "Oh no you lied to us how could you!". Isn't him being a murderer far worse than being a liar? There is also Cullen who blames him for what he had done to his men, but does anyone ever bring up the matter of slaughtered children? 

[ThreeF]

Poor Blackwall. He tries so hard.

 

I wish the other party companions were less harsh towards him. 

My party companions give him the silent treatment.

[Br3admax]

Yet nothing in Cassandra's banter indicates that she respects him for what he had done as a Warden-Constable. We can't be even sure that she knows much about real Blackwall. Rainier, on the other hand, spends months and months fighting beside her, it's not like she didn't have a chance to know him as a person.

Blackwall obviously had a well known reputation in Orlais given comments from NPCs.

[ThreeF]

What's really strange to me is that those companions who are angry with Blackwall blame him not for his crime but for his lies first. I mean, the guy is responsible for murdering a bunch of innocent people, but everyone's first reaction is "Oh no you lied to us how could you!". Isn't him being a murderer far worse than being a liar? There is also Cullen who blames him for what he had done to his men, but does anyone ever bring up the matter of slaughtered children? 

 

(When does this happen?)

 

None of the companions are exactly saints, some have big issues with being lied to too, some value trust, so I don't see it all that weird, actually.

[Xetykins]

My party companions give him the silent treatment.

Mine too, cuz we got hit by the banter bug.

[ThreeF]

Mine too, cuz we got hit by the banter bug.

If it is a banter bug it's a weird one, I barely got one comment toward him in my first pt and none in the second. The moment I switch him out everyone back to being chatty.

[KaiserShep]

Poor Blackwall. He tries so hard.

 

I wish the other party companions were less harsh towards him. 

 

I haven't gone through the full gamut of companion banter combos with post-reveal Blackwall, but Sera doesn't give him a hard time about it, and continues to joke about with him. She will say that she figured he was up to something, but when he apologizes, she says that at least he's trying.

[Scuttlebutt101]

(When does this happen?)

 

Right after you speak with Blackwall in prison. There's a cutscene of Cullen asking what are you going to do about him, you can ask for his opinion. He says something like "I despise him for what he did to his men, but he worked with the Inquisition and turned himself in so idk."

[ThreeF]

Right after you speak with Blackwall in prison. There's a cutscene of Cullen asking what are you going to do about him, you can ask for his opinion. He says something like "I despise him for what he did to his men, but he worked with the Inquisition and turned himself in so idk."

Must have missed it.

[Elisaveta]

I'm all for redemption stories but I romanced Blackwall and I couldn't imagine a more selfish/horrible romantic partner in any game I have played.

 

As a companion he is okay but having romanced him has made me sort of hate the guy.

[AtreiyaN7]

On the issue of Rainier somehow stealing Blackwall's honor - outside of political leaders who would maybe have interacted with the real Blackwall, how would anyone actually recognize Blackwall? How would the average person know he was famous or a major figure in the Order? People might be familiar with the name, but I sincerely doubt that everyone in Orlais has seen him and would recognize him on sight. People in Val Chevin probably would - people out in the boonies probably wouldn't (especially since it's not the Age of Televsion in Thedas with instantenous communication and cable news coverage 24/7).

 

Furthermore, Wardens have been secretive in the past, and they generally keep a low profile in between Blights. Now aside from using his name, I'm pretty sure that Rainier didn't go around trumpeting "I got the Silverite Wings of Valor - hey, look at me!" I suspect that since Rainier was trying to keep an even lower profile than actual Wardens do - while still trying to do good - he probably just tried to be as anonymous as he could. Whatever good deeds Rainier did since he took on Blackwall's identity were performed solely as a matter of atonement, not because he was trying to make himself look good or to capitalize on the real Blackwall's name or accomplishments.

 

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Blackwall's death was his fault. Blackwall died protecting Rainier. If Rainier had done the right thing from the start, Blackwall could very well be alive.

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As for this quote that I just saw quoted in a post up above...that statement is something so mind-bogglingly stupid that I can't even believe it exists. I'm just going to say that the real Warden-Constable Blackwall was out recruiting. He could have recruited anyone else in that tavern in whatever dump of a village he was in that night, and the results would have been the same if Warden-Constable Blackwall had gone to the Storm Coast to make his recruit get darkspawn blood. An ambush still would have happened, and Blackwall still would have died saving him or her (because that's the kind of guy the real Blackwall was).