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[MrsHairyMcLummox]

I think it started with the Say Anything shooting, where some guy was gunned down for standing out in the open with a boombox raised over his head.

 

Ok, since I have no idea what you're referring to I guess I missed many episodes of that series 

[KaiserShep]

Ok, since I have no idea what you're referring to I guess I missed many episodes of that series 

 

You've never seen Say Anything?

 

[MrsHairyMcLummox]

oooh John Cusak so young :3 

No I missed that one

[Abelas Forever!]

Sorry if I'm late for this but I admit I'm a bit astonished by all the fuss about the 'kiss in public' big scandal.

My problem with the public kissing is that my PC would be still angry at him for leaving. She wouldn't be ready to kiss him just yet and she would expect him to make up all the trouble he has caused to her. So the situation is different than in romantic movies when the couple get back together and usually in those movies the reason why the couple have break up is something like a big misunderstanding or that they have been friends for years and then they suddenly realize that they have been in love with each other for years.

[Xetykins]

You realize he turns himself in regardless of whether you romance him, of course. His decision to turn himself in has nothing to do with his love for the Inquisitor as a rule. He was tired of living a lie and even says so. He wanted to die, which is why when you get him out of jail, he's angry that you didn't let him have the easy way out. Imo, death became preferable to living with knowing what a self-serving coward he truly is when he's not roleplaying a heroic Grey Warden.

Everything Rainier does he does to serve his own needs. But if one squints through rose colored glasses I'm sure it will look selfless..

Just because someone is tired of living a lie does not mean they want to die. Or did he specifically said he wanted.to die? Then i must have missed it. If he didnt say that then you are just voicing your own interpretation. Nothing wrong with that.

[MrsHairyMcLummox]

My problem with the public kissing is that my PC would be still angry at him for leaving. She wouldn't be ready to kiss him just yet and she would expect him to make up all the trouble he has caused to her. So the situation is different than in romantic movies when the couple get back together and usually in those movies the reason why the couple have break up is something like a big misunderstanding or that they have been friends for years and then they suddenly realize that they have been in love with each other for years.

 

Got it. I think then that the issue stems from the fact that you are stil angry while your Inquisitor is not xD

[AtreiyaN7]

How early in the game this happens? I want to try it.

 

Your very first conversation when you walk the ramparts after getting to Skyhold.

 

If you've already been flirting with him and pick the romance option, he says that while he it's true that he's fond of you, you both can't let this go any further. Then he says that what you want with him is impossible. He is pretty clearly attempting to dissuade you the whole time. Try picking the "I'm not the Herald of Andraste option" when it comes up, and you'll get the "our lives are not our own" thing. And he pretty much ends the conversation later with "Don't make this any harder than it has to be.:"

 

He's trying very hard to nip this whole thing in the bud right then and there.

[TheLastArchivist]

Like some people already pointed out, even Cullen, who's had a lot of experience with criminals (blood mages and corrupt templars, mostly, not to mention restoring order to a city plunged into civil war) thinks to condemn him is unfair.

[Bugsie]

At least, I admit when characters are flawed
and don't excuse their behaviors like some people here.

I have seen quite a number of people do exactly the opposite of that. Myself included. Nice generalisations you got there.

[GreenClover]

As for Leliana's solution to getting him out, it seemed like it varied this time around. In my last playthrough, she just says that she'll get him out, and that it's best the Inquisitor not ask why, and there he was ready to judge. I can't remember what changes this.

There is always a pyramid option where Leliana suggests replacing Rainier with a similar looking traitor, but if you have the underworld connections perk (I think) you also get that extra option you've mentioned. 

I, too, think that she knew the truth all along. If she didn't, why would she even have a report on those events, why would she notice Mornay's execution and prepare a report on this? Those matters presumably have nothing to do with the Inquisition. I doubt she is gathering all the info about absolutely everything going on in Thedas just in case. As good as our spymaster is, that's too much even for her. 

[Iakus]

 

 

I have said I didn't like that part of that choice several times now, but the choice is better than letting him go free or join the Wardens. 

Why that last part?  The real Blackwall legally conscripted Rannier.  Rannier even got the vial of darkspawn blood!

[ThreeF]

Your very first conversation when you walk the ramparts after getting to Skyhold.

 

If you've already been flirting with him and pick the romance option, he says that while he it's true that he's fond of you, you both can't let this go any further. Then he says that what you want with him is impossible. He is pretty clearly attempting to dissuade you the whole time. Try picking the "I'm not the Herald of Andraste option" when it comes up, and you'll get the "our lives are not our own" thing. And he pretty much ends the conversation later with "Don't make this any harder than it has to be.:"

 

He's trying very hard to nip this whole thing in the bud right then and there.

 

Ah, so it's quite early on, I don't see me romancing him to the end (not my type of character), but I'm going to try to get to that point.

 

 

There is always a pyramid option where Leliana suggests replacing Rainier with a similar looking traitor, but if you have the underworld connections perk (I think) you also get that extra option you've mentioned. 

I, too, think that she knew the truth all along. If she didn't, why would she even have a report on those events, why would she notice Mornay's execution and prepare a report on this? Those matters presumably have nothing to do with the Inquisition. I doubt she is gathering all the info about absolutely everything going on in Thedas just in case. As good as our spymaster is, that's too much even for her. 

Hmm.. I only got the "don't ask" option this time around, Last time i got Josephine's and the "replacing" option. I wonder if this had anything to do with the fact that this time around I immediately said that I'm going to rescue him or it's something else.

[Qunquistador]

Gee, didn't read my posts up above? Because we started out discussing issues related to the romance specifically, and in the romance there is a specific option to say that it was because of you. I proceeded to address the issue of the non-romanced Inquisitor in my other post and pointed out that even in THAT case, it's because he still wants to be the good man that the non-romanced Inquisitor believes him to be - quite likely because he really respects him/her for his/her actions. Just because you dislike the character and want to try to claim that everything he's ever done is selfish doesn't make it so. He was selfish six years ago when he took that money to assassinate a general - and then he changed.

 

Also, he didn't want to die per se, but he was ready to die and to take responsibility in that way - there's a big difference there. This is clearly triggered by him finding Leliana's report stating that Mornay was scheduled for execution within the week in Val Royeaux. But yeah, please go on claiming that he was just filled with selfishness when he could have gotten away with his lie and kept on going (as Cullen himself points out during the Val Royeaux conversation) but instead turns himself in to save someone else.

 

Assuming that I just don't like the character is simplistic, petty and dismissive. Shall I assume by your passive aggressive bolding, italics and underlining that you romanced him, got overly attached and, as such, are unable to have a discussion about who he is and what he did without getting emotional about it? 

 

I had no problem with Blackwall. He was just...there, for the most part. After the reveal, I have opinions about his character that aren't favorable. That doesn't mean I think that he's totally without a conscience. It's partly that conscience and disgust with himself that led to him giving up his charade, imo, not his respect for my Inquisitor. If anything he came off as resentful of my Inquisitor during the scene about the dog, not inspired.  I'll end this by saying that following what your conscience dictates  can still be a selfish act. It doesn't matter if another is saved in the process.  If he was disgusted with himself and decided to give up his lie because he couldn't live with it anymore, it's still about him rather than Mornay.

 

Also, I don't believe people change so much as they adapt. And plenty of murderers can claim that they've changed and some can even prove it with good deeds. Does that mean they have? Perhaps, but I'm not one to give them the benefit of the doubt.  But there will always be someone who will give them that benefit, I realize, as evidenced by the fact that even Charles Manson has a woman convinced that he's a good guy.

[Abelas Forever!]

Got it. I think then that the issue stems from the fact that you are stil angry while your Inquisitor is not xD

Not exactly. I guess I as a gamer would be more annoyed about the situation than angry at him because I think my Inquisitor would be angry at him and she should have change to show it. Although I think that I as a gamer would be angry at him too because I empathize with my PC.

[Iakus]

Just because someone is tired of living a lie does not mean they want to die. Or did he specifically said he wanted.to die? Then i must have missed it. If he didnt say that then you are just voicing your own interpretation. Nothing wrong with that.

My thought was he didn't want anyone else to die for his own actions.

[Ynqve]

Sorry if I'm late for this but I admit I'm a bit astonished by all the fuss about the 'kiss in public' big scandal. I must have lost an episode or two of the series 'the world has changed' because I grew up with movies like these:

 

Spoiler

 

 

and I always cried my eyes out because it's beautiful. As you can see people applaude or mind their own business, no one is outraged.

 

Please someone help me understand what happened to people while I was inattentive 

 

Nothing happened to people. It's just that scenes like that are cheesy. That's why some hate them, some love them and some like me laugh at them. And I'm pretty sure it's always been like that. 

 

Edit: Not sure if I'd count When Harry met Sally. They're in public, but people aren't paying attention to them. 

[Ryzaki]

Yeah sorry but no I have every right to dislike that stupid public kiss especially after he opens that hole in his face about corruption. (not towards Yn obviously)

 

Also the kiss wasn't just in public (smh that people really think this is the primary issue).

 

It was in public after she judged him and he whined about her looking corrupt.

 

Whoever wrote that scene had some serious blinders on.

[Sabreenei]

Not exactly. I guess I as a gamer would be more annoyed about the situation than angry at him because I think my Inquisitor would be angry at him and she should have change to show it. Although I think that I as a gamer would be angry at him too because I empathize with my PC.

 

I think the problem stems from the fact the game doesn't allow your PC to be angry with him at that point, if you've chosen to continue the romance. The kiss isn't all on Blackwall's side. It's a mutual kiss.

 

They both step forward. On a Trevelyan & Adaar, they cup his face first, reaching out first. Since the inquisitor is on the steps, it would be easy to step back and not have the kiss happen if she were still mad. However, she leans to him and they mutually share a kiss.

 

It would've been nice if the game allowed for an option there, to step back (still continuing the romance) or to lean forward and kiss him. That it doesn't isn't something that can really be laid at Blackwall's feet.

[Steelcan]

this thread has provided me with amusement

[Qunquistador]

Just because someone is tired of living a lie does not mean they want to die. Or did he specifically said he wanted.to die? Then i must have missed it. If he didnt say that then you are just voicing your own interpretation. Nothing wrong with that.

He says during judgement that he was "ready for this to end", that combined with his anger at getting pulled out of jail implies that he doesn't want to live with himself anymore...at least for that time. Also, in my PT, this isn't long after he sees true Grey Wardens sacrificing their lives at Adamant for what they think is right.

 

If I reach, I can say that the whole "in death, sacrifice" bit influenced him to some degree as well.

 

We're all voicing our interpretations. Nothing anyone of us has to say is written in stone, obviously.

[GreenClover]

Hmm.. I only got the "don't ask" option this time around, Last time i got Josephine's and the "replacing" option. I wonder if this had anything to do with the fact that this time around I immediately said that I'm going to rescue him or it's something else.

It's either a bug or you didn't notice the pyramid. It's always there, it's our default set of options. It is on the Orlesian side of the map though, while Leliana's don't-ask-option is in Ferelden. So if you went directly to the map of Ferelden, you could have missed the pyramid. 

[Xetykins]

He says during judgement that he was "ready for this to end", that combined with his anger at getting pulled out of jail implies that he doesn't want to live with himself anymore...at least for that time. Also, in my PT, this isn't long after he sees true Grey Wardens sacrificing their lives at Adamant for what they think is right.

If I reach, I can say that the whole "in death, sacrifice" bit influenced him to some degree as well.

We're all voicing our interpretations. Nothing anyone of us has to say is written in stone, obviously.

So true. I guess we have different interpretation on his revelation. Except that he said he does not want anyone to die for his crimes specifically.

[Elisaveta]

Sorry if I'm late for this but I admit I'm a bit astonished by all the fuss about the 'kiss in public' big scandal. I must have lost an episode or two of the series 'the world has changed' because I grew up with movies like these:

The issue with the kiss is the whole situation surrounding it. I think most people feel he was crossing the line at that point kissing the Inquisitor who even if you forgive him is probably still mad at him. It makes sense that it plays out the way it does from a story point (Blackwall is probably so relieved to have the burden of his past finally off his back). But it's WAAAY to soon for a kiss, I think most people would need some time to emotionally re-balance after something like that. Throw handcuffs into the situation and it's gone from weird/uncomfortable to...WTF...

 

That's not romantic at all in my mind.

[Bugsie]

Yeah sorry but no I have every right to dislike that stupid public kiss especially after he opens that hole in his face about corruption. (not towards Yn obviously)

i think it depends on the PC and how you roll the character. I didn't like it because it felt at odds with how I played that particular PC. A hand touch or some other simple gesture would have been preffered.

In regard to the topic of corruption, perhaps it wasn't prudent for the writers have him bring it up, but some other inquisition member. Technically, bringing him back is a move that can tarnish the reputation of the inquisition, so the issue of corruption is relevant.

The more I think about it the whole judgement dialogue feels entirely messy and not fleshed out well at all.

[Ynqve]

Yeah sorry but no I have every right to dislike that stupid public kiss especially after he opens that hole in his face about corruption. (not towards Yn obviously)

 

It's hilarious when you think about it. He makes the stupid decision to insult you, then you give him the chance to break away from his old life full of stupid decisions and how does he celebrate? By making a stupid decision that totally ruins her professionalism xD 

 

I know it's consensual, but come on dude! Wait five minutes until you're out of your shackles and in private. Is that so hard?