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[Augustei]

You can imagine what you want, but it didn't so who cares. And again, you had enough influence by the time we gain access to the exalted plains for this to roll over.

 

My attitude doesn't somehow change what happens in the game. My inquisition's the same as anyone else's. Only difference is I do much less bitching in mine

 

And like I said, none of them will, so better prepare for disappointment dude.

Imagine? The potential was there. That it didn't end up happening is irrelevent

Perhaps, but with an Inquisitor with an attitude like yours it is much less likely to last from a RP prospective lol

[Augustei]

Lol, if Orlais fell I would join Loghain in the celebration. Orlais is overrated.

If you made an enemy of them early in the game I assure it, It wouldn't be Orlais falling.
Heck even now with all its might its far more likely the Inquisition will fall, for Orlais is still much more powerful.
But hey I don't particularly like them either, I just don't dismiss them so easiler considering they're kinda the most powerful nation in the world bar The Qunari

[Colonelkillabee]

Imagine? The potential was there. That it didn't end up happening is irrelevent

Perhaps, but with an Inquisitor with an attitude like yours it is much less likely to last from a RP prospective lol

I could say the same about an Inquisitor all hot and bothered about nobles who need someone to wipe their own ass tbh.

 

And I'm not one to cry over potential damage not likely to happen when we needed the conscriptions and the money. What can I say, I'm not that much of a whiny quizzy

[Colonelkillabee]

Did you forget Duncan? The Warden that recruited you? considering the circumstances Warden's are usually recruited in that seems highly unlikely
 

No, because that wasn't long ago, and it's rather hard to forget a man that recruited you when your family was murdered and he had you leave him to die, lolol.

 

 

[Korva]

I used Josie to make amends for misusing the treaties, unknowingly or no, because I want the Inquisition to be trustworthy -- though privately I agreed with Cullen's "I'm sorry, did we step on some fop's dress or were we saving the world when no one else could have or even cared to?!" attitude.

 

As for what the nobles think about us keeping Blackwall around, I couldn't care less because it's the nobles who have the most blood on their hands in this "Game". Just because they don't slit throats and burn homes themselves doesn't mean they're not at least as guilty as the grunts they pay to do to their dirty work. If any noble gives me crap, I'll happily get my Spymaster to dig up all of his and his family's dirty laundry for all the world to see -- and then tell him that he may throw the first stone at Blackwall when he has repented half as long and shed half as much sweat and blood for the sake of others as Blackwall has. Want to take Blackwall's place at my side when I lead the charge against yet another horde of demons or Tevinter cultists or lyrium-mad templars? Yup, didn't think so, Mr. Hypocritical Fancypants. So, in the words of my beloved soul-sister Cassandra: Deal. With. It.

 

(Hell, I don't even like Blackwall that much, but I respect what he tries to do.)

[Helmetto]

I kept Blackwall because...Um.

 

Because my Inquisitor was too much of a light heart to see her companion rot in a prison no matter how morally bankrupt his actions were and how careless he was acting as Warden Blackwall and really is pretty much on the same level as Anders in terms of being a straight up murderer (perhaps worse because he did it for gold).

 

But at least Blackwall didn't pretend what he did was right and had noble intentions in making up for it.

 

Still surprised his man didn't get executed anyway, though. 

[Augustei]

I could say the same about an Inquisitor all hot and bothered about nobles who need someone to wipe their own ass tbh.

 

And I'm not one to cry over potential damage not likely to happen when we needed the conscriptions and the money. What can I say, I'm not that much of a whiny quizzy

My Inquisitor is concerned about making enemies of the most powerful nobles in the world thus you could say the same? Yeah your not making any sense bro, That your Inquisitor could so easily dismiss them is just silly.

Not likely to happen? The Nobles are clearly pissed in the war table mission, they would still be pissed if it happened early on except you don't have the power, influence, allies etc. to deal with it back then.
You know what else you need besides conscripts? Not having enemies among the most powerful nobles in the world, Not being denied their men (chevaliers are more valuable than conscripts btw), not having tariffs, taxes raised on all your goods that have to go through their territories, Being able to use their connections.

[Augustei]

No, because that wasn't long ago, and it's rather hard to forget a man that recruited you when your family was murdered and he had you leave him to die, lolol.

Blackwall's codex makes it clear the wardens very rarely get voluntary sign-ups. Alistair suggests most Warden's are recruited under exceptional circumstances. Daveth was saved from being hanged by the city guards for example.

[Colonelkillabee]

My Inquisitor is concerned about making enemies of the most powerful nobles in the world thus you could say the same? Yeah your not making any sense bro, That your Inquisitor could so easily dismiss them is just silly.

Not likely to happen? The Nobles are clearly pissed in the war table mission, they would still be pissed if it happened early on except you don't have the power, influence, allies etc. to deal with it back then.

Cullen does so too, so yawn.

 

And they're always pissed. Sorry bro, but I'm not impressed by the prospect. The nobles are pushovers, and I have real power. I lied, but I lied to save the world and won't apologize for it ever. You may think that my inquisition won't last from that one outlook on one situation... I honestly don't care though. Like the nobles' reaction, I say meh to that as well as the idea that what blackwall did was so wrong.

 

Someone cue the violin, please.

[Augustei]

Cullen does so too, so yawn.

 

And they're always pissed. Sorry bro, but I'm not impressed by the prospect. The nobles are pushovers, and I have real power. I lied, but I lied to save the world and won't apologize for it ever. You may think that my inquisition won't last from that one outlook on one situation... I honestly don't care though. Like the nobles' reaction, I say meh to that as well as the idea that what blackwall did was so wrong.

 

Someone cue the violin, please.

K, you enjoy your conscripts, large tariffs, taxes, and emnity from some of the worlds most powerful nobles.

I'll enjoy my connections from the worlds most powerful nobles, lesser taxes, and their Chevaliers.
 

[Colonelkillabee]

Blackwall's codex makes it clear the wardens very rarely get voluntary sign-ups. Alistair suggests most Warden's are recruited under exceptional circumstances. Daveth was saved from being hanged by the city guards for example.

 

Doesn't matter, not every or even most encounters would be that dramatic. That would be rather silly.

 

And it's besides the point really. Believable or not, they don't remember him so that's pretty much that.

[MoonDrummer]

The only good Orlaisian is a dead Orlaisian

[Colonelkillabee]

K, you enjoy your conscripts, large tariffs, and taxes.

I'll enjoy my connections from the worlds most powerful nobles, lesser taxes, and their Chevaliers.
 

 

Make sure to get the wet wipes too. Nobles don't like their asses dry after its been thoroughly wiped, Babysitquisitor

[Ynqve]

If you made an enemy of them early in the game I assure it, It wouldn't be Orlais falling.
Heck even now with all its might its far more likely the Inquisition will fall, for Orlais is still much more powerful.
But hey I don't particularly like them either, I just don't dismiss them so easiler considering they're kinda the most powerful nation in the world bar The Qunari

 

But Blackwall's crimes aren't revealed until after you've secured the alliance, the treaties changed nothing. And the Inquisition doesn't need Orlais after Coryphyfish is defeated. 

[Augustei]

Make sure to get the wet wipes too. Nobles don't like their asses dry after its been thoroughly wiped, Babysitquisitor

You should write a fanfic about a chumpquisitor named Conan with little regard or skill for politics who somehow fell into being the leader of a political millitary organization. "Lol who cares about Orlesian nobles" he says as he trys to build alliances to face Corypheus. After saving the world due to his disfavor among the nobles you could either have the Imperial Crown throw him off and then have the Inquisition wither away in the mountains, or have the alliance remain and the factions against the crown grow stronger.

[Colonelkillabee]

Yawn, lol.

[Archerwarden]

Thom is nothing more than a weak,cowardly, repulsive excuse for a man. He betrays his unit, his men and his country, murders a family for gold. Does nothing while the men under him take the blame. Because he is a weak cowardly man he runs away bumps into a real Hero the Warden Blackwall and first chance he gets he impersonates him. Very definition of Stolen Valor.

Thom could have continued to Weishaupt or wherever they were headed and tried to become a Warden but once again took the easy way out. Stealing a mans identity is not honoring that person, to honor that person you would do something as in build a statue - not take over his identity.

Wanted nothing more than to execute this coward.

[Augustei]

But Blackwall's crimes aren't revealed until after you've secured the alliance, the treaties changed nothing. And the Inquisition doesn't need Orlais after Coryphyfish is defeated. 

They treated changed something, They can potentially make you enemies among the nobility, Resulting in larger tariffs on Inquisition goods, loss of potential connections and empowering enemy factions.
After Corypheus is defeated Orlais is still the most powerful nation in Thedas bar the Qunari, They should be dismissed so easier only if the Inquisitions plans aren't to continue, grow, or prosper.

[Augustei]

Yawn, lol.

Your to salty today Colonel. Did not order this much salt

[Colonelkillabee]

Your to salty today Colonel. Did not order this much salt

I'm salty? LOL K.

 

I very rarely lose my cool or get mad, and this conversations no different. I just didn't find the response to my joke funny, lol.

 

Sorry bro *shrug*

[Archerwarden]

And Sten is way worse, going on a murderous rampage and slaughtering a village for no reason!

Yes but Sten is a Qunari - you expect them to be murdering xxxxxs .

At least Sten doesn't pretend to be someone else. He knows what he did.

Zevern embraces his identity as an assassin.

[Augustei]

I'm salty? LOL K.

 

I very rarely lose my cool, and this conversations no different. I just didn't find the response to my joke funny, lol.

 

Sorry bro *shrug*

Only funny jokes warrent funny responses =P

 

[TanithAeyrs]

Blackwall is one of the most interesting conundrums in companion relations that Bioware has given us. 

 

His initial grumpy demeanor makes it hard to get to know him until after you find out his big secret so the player may be less invested in his character at that point.

 

and:

 

Murder of children for coin - the mom in me wants to gut the ******* on principle.  And then he runs and leaves his men to pay for his crime.  Does not really compare to Sten (temporary insanity/ extreme fear response after a lifetime of Qunari brainwashing) or Zevran (who had no choice in becoming an assassin - even if he is not remorseful about it), or even Anders (possessed and nuts) who I always execute.  Even Fenris' uncompromising hatred of all mages is rooted in the trauma of his own slavery.  Murder for coin, strictly for personal gain is about as bad as it gets.  Even Zev who is quite happy with being an assassin (as long as his life is no longer dictated by the Crows) is bothered by the events in the Denerim Alienage (orphanage and Tevinter slavers).

 

However, at the point that he joins the Inquisition he is no longer the man he was and has been attempting to atone for his crimes.  And he does own up to his crime and prevents the execution of another when he could have continued living the lie. 

 

So, yes he really does deserve execution, but maybe not given Cole's take on his redemptive arc (I do love Cole for his insights).  So thus far, practical Lavellan has spared him because she needed him for the Inquisition, compassionate Lavellan has spared him but only to join the Grey Wardens when Corypheus is dead so he can give truth to his lies - and because it is a slow form of execution. 

 

My difficulty comes in who to romance him with (I had planned on doing all the romances except Sera's - who just doesn't seem mature enough for a real romance).  Before game release I had planned on romancing him with a naïve Qunari mage who was drawn in by the mystique of the Grey Wardens and who would accept his eventual calling as part of her maturing into the leader she needed to be.  However, I'm not sure she fits him now, maybe if I still make him join the Grey Wardens this could work.  The other option is my reckless and rather mercenary carta dwarf archer who I had planned for Bull.  She would probably take Rainier's secret in stride (I'm sure she has done some pretty bad things in service to the Carta) but I'm not sure she would get along with him very well, he is a bit idealistic for her.  Bull's rather practical approach with his underlying kindness may still be the better redemptive arc for her.

 

I do enjoy characters who provoke thought and give our PC's an opportunity to make very different choices. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Only funny jokes warrent funny responses =P

 

Don't bullshit me, Aussie, you know that **** was funny, regardless of our disagreement

[Augustei]

And Sten is way worse, going on a murderous rampage and slaughtering a village for no reason!

It was one household. But at least he fronts up about it straight away and accepts the consequences for his actions straight away, he waited in that house and surrendered to the guards as soon as they showed up and accepted his fate in that cage, heck he needed a Warden with a high persuasion skill to convince him to leave that cage to make up for his crime fighting the blight, otherwise he is unwilling to go against the authorities wishes for him to rot in that cage as due punishment.

Blackwall on the other hand fled, hid like a coward while his subordinates died for the orders he gave them.