That's because we have been that age too and had the same attitude. There' s not a way to check people's age here, it simply shines through what they write and the way they think ;D
Edit: Well since I've been ignored responding to this is pointless so I'll just say.
The above is exactly why I can't take some of the defenses seriously. It's just as self righteous as the whole "he's vile and evil and should be thrown in a pit." attitude just in the opposite direction.
To these folks I put you in this hypothetical real life situation: You have a very good friend, a friend that has actually saved your life and provided some very good advice, the kind of friend you do not get rid of when you dump other hangers on during your yearly culling of other friends. You have known this friend for years, then one day, the police arrive and arrest them. You find out later they are from another country and had killed some people due to "orders" or given orders and payment to take out another group in power...all political, all for gain.
Damn right I'm dumping that person. I'm not gonna trust a liar and a for profit killer.
Now back to BLACKWALL
He isn't my IQ's friend, period. He sat in his barn being a tool. My IQ doesn't know him and doesn't really like him and now his lie makes the organization he needs to keep his butt from getting thrown back into some Circle, look incompetent. He compromised what my IQ is trying to achieve and therefore he gives no f*cks for him and will continue to squeeze every drop of "Blackwall" from Thom before sending him to the deep roads for his "Calling".
As for the arrow you people keep bringing up, my IQ paid him back by saving his life from the hangman's noose. Debt repaid and done. Neither man owes the other anything.
If people hate the character so much, why didnt they just leave him in jail. That way you dont have to deal with the awkward judgement.
People roleplay. You can loathe a character, but that doesn't mean your PC would be of the mind to do what you would do if you were in their boots or sitting on their throne. In the same vein, a player could love Hawke but leave him in the Fade because their PC thinks it's the right thing to do or doesn't know him/her well.
Why why can people not make arguments without dragging the "hurr durr you don't have life experience with this so that's clearly why your opinion is wrong."
It's a low budget means to condescend and be dismissive all in one convenient package. I could assume things about people who write such things, but then I might be accused of leveling a(nother?) low blow. Soooo, I'm going to be on my best behavior and say this last thing. There is no right or wrong opinion when we're talking about a game that's majorly about one's subjective experience and/or, if you choose to role play, the experiences of your (often idealized) PC.
Why why can people not make arguments without dragging the "hurr durr you don't have life experience with this so that's clearly why your opinion is wrong."
Because people honestly think it's a compelling argument to make (it's not).
Life experience can shape your opinion but it doesn't necessarily validate it.
Now you young whipper snapper, what's this I hear about you continuing to pour scorn on the most awesomest of beards?? Eh,eh?? Pffft young people today...
@Qunquistidor I honestly think that the definition of roleplay varies from person to person - one persons might be playing versions of themselves over and over, others like a more detailed approach to playing a variety of roles - that's why there always seems to be a lot of 'how can you' and 'no that's playing it wrong' arguments I see and where I've observed a lot of butting of heads here. I've only been playing rpg's since TES:Oblivion came out, and it's taken me a while to 'get in the groove' of playing characters who are not me, I can't speak for others but I haven't found it easy. I've enjoyed the characters my PC interacts and it's only in the last few years that I've really been able to branch out from being 'nice' to everyone and trying to get everyone round the fireplace to sing Kumbaya. I still find playing an utter jerk to be a difficult thing, maybe one day I'll get there? 
On a separate note, but still on topic for hated characters, I've been reading the Calling, wow, Loghain, my god, you're wonderful! (only half way through atm)
I understand that there might be cultural differences and personal taste, and that artistically speaking the scene could have been done better, I was talking about the extreme reactions and the general hysteria, people talking about 'big scandal' and so on.
I'm just saying you should take it easy when complaining about kids today. Which you did, when you said that you didn't get why people today dislike that scene so much. But people aren't necessarily young just because they don't like or hate that scene. I'm a 90's kid, so I fit the category. But I grew up with a mother who loves An Officer and a Gentleman, Dirty Dancing and every Meg Ryan, Hugh Grant and Julia Roberts movie ever made and she made us watch these movies with her. My younger sister inherited her taste, I rolled my eyes and saw the Empire Strikes Back instead.
And yeah, I do think what Blackwall and the Inquisitor is doing during that scene is scandalous. For obvious reasons.
amazing that you can tell people's lives from behind a computer screen.
Do enlighten me more.
Why why can people not make arguments without dragging the "hurr durr you don't have life experience with this so that's clearly why your opinion is wrong."
Right? I really don't get what age has to do with anything. People have the right to their opinions no matter their age, dismissing someone because of their supposed "lack of life experience" is really ****** patronizing and silly. Especially when you're on a forum and have no idea or knowledge of that persons age and history.
You're right, and I apologize if at times I sound like a granny waving her stick complaining about kids these days xD
I love him and his romance, but I really really really wish they had broken the judgment and make-up scene into two separate scenes. Everyone that kept him, romance or not, really should've had a second cutscene after the judgment. The first time I played, I kept waiting for it to happen, it felt like missing content.
Either two separate scenes or those who didn't make up with him in judgement would get another scene where they can make up with him. I think that would have saved the romance because I have been thinking what kind of Inquisitor I would have to create so that she would forgive him in that situation and I haven't figured that out. Of course I could create a character who just don't care what he has done in the past and what he has done to her. But I don't want to do that because I don't want to create a character who just forgives everything to her lover. If my PC's lover would break her trust in him then I would want to be angry at him and yell at him. Of course they would also have to talk about it before they could continue the romance if that would even be possible. When the trust is lost it takes quite a long time to get it back so everything can't be lovely and happy after something like that has happened.
You're right, and I apologize if at times I sound like a granny waving her stick complaining about kids these days xD
What I can't stand are the people who throw judgements without knowing what they are talking about. I've never been in a situation like Rainier's and on the other hand I never saved one single human life, just some dogs from the kennel. That's why I would never judge someone for their actions, I have no idea how I would behave in their same situation. I like to think that I would be a better person than Rainier, but I can't be sure. So, I don't judge.Second, I've never lived a life of self-sacrifice to help people, that's why I don't feel like I'm in a position to judge a man who does it, despite everything he might have done in the past. To my eyes, someone who dedicates his life to save people, simply shines.There's a line from Varric in the game, a banter in which he talks with Blackwall about the fact that people are uncomfortable with their presence (you can often hear comments like 'we want no trouble here' coming from commoners in many places). Varric says that the 'creepy people' like them exist in order to do the dirty job so that the 'good' people can stay at home minding their own business. It fits so much imho.
I get what you're saying and apology accepted. Just try to be a little less judgmental or dismissive towards the people on the other side of the debate. Unless they're basing it on insane bullshit reasons (like the rape allegations) or factual errors, their interpretation is perfectly valid if frustrating at times. 
We need more cases to judge like that guy who sued David Blaine and David Copperfield for apparently defying the laws of physics and using his 'godly powers' without permission.
I mean magic is real in DA universe, could make for a compelling real world parallel...
Beards only save Dwarfs.
Sera: So do all Grey Wardens have beards?
Blackwall: Just me. I stole all the beards, and all the power stored within. There can be only one
Maybe he crafted his beard out of all the grey warden beards he stole
->It's a special beard with grey warden powers
I get what you're saying and apology accepted. Just try to be a little less judgmental or dismissive towards the people on the other side of the debate. Unless they're basing it on insane bullshit reasons (like the rape allegations) or factual errors, their interpretation is perfectly valid if frustrating at times.
Yep I sound like a self righteous prig at times, I know, no wonder I love Blackwall xD
I accept every point of view if it's well argumented, I'm just tired of people repeating the same things like a broken record and who arent' interested in a debate.
I'd never go in the Josephine fan thread in order to quote people's sentences and force my point of view on them. I think Josie is a classist, she doesn't want to start an official relationship with Blackwall because he has a commoner background, so she just uses him for some good old fashioned sex in the barn and thank you for the flowers. I admit candidly that I dislike her more than she deserves because Blackwall likes her, but I swear this is the first time I'm writing that I don't like Josie on the web. I'm not interested in pestering her fans to death.
At first I didn't like Sera that much, I didn't understand her character development, so I started to lurk her thread and now I like her very much. Her fans made me understand what I missed about her, she's not a bland character at all. She's a commoner who hates powerful people and tries to help the little people. She's not 'elfy' and she despises the elves who keep feeling different from the shems. She understands that city elves are not the only victims of society, there are also many, many little people who are humans and suffer because of nobles. To her people are just people and the only distinction she makes is 'powerful and arrogant' vs 'little and helpless'. She may look shallow at first, she makes dirty talk and stupid jokes but she's very profound and has ideals.
That's why I'd like that people started changing their attitude from: "I don't like Blackwall because he's badly written and he's bland he's not even a character he's a rapist and blah blah this is my opinion and I will never change it" to "I don't understand why people like a character like Blackwall, maybe I should lurk in the fan thread and start considering other people's point of view".
When I don't understand or like something the first thing I do is questioning myself, thinking that perhaps I missed a point or two, so I talk to people and try to understand what I missed. Sometimes I change my mind, other times I keep not liking and go away thinking 'Nah, not for me'.
Yep I sound like a self righteous prig at times, I know, no wonder I love Blackwall xD
I accept every point of view if it's well argumented, I'm just tired of people repeating the same things like a broken record and who arent' interested in a debate.
I'd never go in the Josephine fan thread in order to quote people's sentences and force my point of view on them. I think Josie is a classist, she doesn't want to start an official relationship with Blackwall because he has a commoner background, so she just uses him for some good old fashioned sex in the barn and thank you for the flowers. I admit candidly that I dislike her more than she deserves because Blackwall likes her, but I swear this is the first time I'm writing that I don't like Josie on the web. I'm not interested in pestering her fans to death.
At first I didn't like Sera that much, I didn't understand her character development, so I started to lurk her thread and now I like her very much. Her fans made me understand what I missed about her, she's not a bland character at all. She's a commoner who hates powerful people and tries to help the little people. She's not 'elfy' and she despises the elves who keep feeling different from the shems. She understands that city elves are not the only victims of society, there are also many, many little people who are humans and suffer because of nobles in the same way. To her people are just people and the only distinction she makes is 'powerful and arrogant' vs 'little and helpless'. She may look shallow at first, she makes dirty talk and stupid jokes but she's very profound and has ideals.
That's why I'd like that people started changing their attitude from: "I don't like Blackwall because he's badly written and he's bland he's not even a character he's a rapist and blah blah this is my opinion and I will never change it" to "I don't understand why people like a character like Blackwall, maybe I should lurk in the fan thread and start considering other people's point of view".
When I don't understand or like something the first thing I do is questioning myself, thinking that perhaps I missed a point or two, so I talk to people and try to understand what I missed. Sometimes I change my mind, other times I keep not liking and go away thinking 'Nah, not for me'.
I get that, it's frustrating seeing the same arguments over and over and over and over again. But tbh, I'm guilty of doing the same.
I never really thought about Josie and Blackwall's relationship like that. Idk, I think we need more information. But I disagree about her being a classist, she accepts the Inquisitor no matter his/her background. And lol, if Josie's a classist, what does that make Viv? Vivienne makes me want to paint Skyhold red and shout sing The Internationale. xD
But I disagree about her being a classicist, she accepts the Inquisitor no matter his/her background.
Classist. Classicist is somebody who studies classical history. Admittedly, many of them are old posh white English men who also happen to be classists, but it's not a necessary part of the definition.
That's what I get for being lazy, literally the one time when I didn't double check a word. I knew there was something off. Edited the post.
That's what I get for being lazy, literally the one time when I didn't double check a word. I knew there was something off. Edited the post.
OMG YOU LIAR TRYING TO COVER UP YOUR FAILURE, YOUR KIND MAKES ME SICK
< is just being silly, don't pay any attention
Hah, nah I totally deserve it. I'd be a filthy hypocrite otherwise. I've ranted about how other people should learn not to be lazy and look words up before sounding like idiots!
No, all those other peoples sins were in the past. Reiners additional crimes were in the present. He passed himself as A Grey Warden in my ranks and gave me the documents to conscript on his behalf into our ranks, Thus did we conscript illegally and this could potentially be found out and be severely damaging to us. That the plot has this happen after we've garnered a deal of influence is irrelevent, he joined us in our infancy when this could have concluded in a much worse result.
*snip*
Funny you mention that, because after I discovered Blackwall's past in my first playthrough the only thing I could think about is how the hell Leliana, who was the one to point you to Blackwall, who is your intel expert, decided it was a good idea not to tell the Inquisitor who Blackwall really is when you use those treaties. I mean she was in the same room when I decided to conscript people...
Josie is a horrible person and she's responsible of all the crimes in Thedas, past present and future because she dares to like my Blackwall ok?
She's a classist a classicist and a classroom. Stop.
P.S. I am not accustomed to cathegorizing people so I'm not familiar with terms like classism and such, and I'm not an English speaking person. Now I'm going to check what the word means and what the heck I wrote sorry <.<
Anders has an excuse for the crime, since it was Justice that took control and forced him to act on it, when you rival him you learn he tired to stop it, and Justice himself stopped him from disarming the bomb. Investigate options are here for a reason.
I'm sorry because this is a Blackwall and no Anders thread but this made me curious so I just wanted to see it myself (it was difficult because I never rivaled him) so I edited a safe game to make anders 100% rival.
What a shame the game displayed that he is a rival now but he still wasn't somehow..
What I wanted to ask is in which scene he says this?
I found 2 on youtube that could be it but I'm not sure.
Yeah you can't just edit them to 100% rivalry it doesn't stick that way. Edit them to like 90% rivalry and then gain rivalry points by doing something. Then it sticks.
He said it in the second one since its in the title I would assume he would be explaining how he says Justice took over around .05 I need to watch. In fact he's says vengeance took him over and couldn't stop him and thanks for posting that I get tired of having to defend him. No one can say a damn thing now since it comes from the horses mouth so to speak.I'm sorry because this is a Blackwall and no Anders thread but this made me curious so I just wanted to see it myself (it was difficult because I never rivaled him) so I edited a safe game to make anders 100% rival.
What a shame the game displayed that he is a rival now but he still wasn't somehow..
What I wanted to ask is in which scene he says this?
I found 2 on youtube that could be it but I'm not sure.
Spoiler
and thanks for posting that I get tired of having to defend him. No one can say a damn thing now since it comes from the horses mouth so to speak.
No problem..
I'm sorry to say that this won't convince the anders haters since they will say "but merging with justice was his choice bla.."
but I really wonder why anders seems to get all the hate for what he did and justice/vengeance get pretty much none.
I don't understand it since Justice is the main reason for his DAA -> DA2 change.
His codex entry says:
Spoiler
And after they merged Anders has no other choice than going down the road justice wants him to go (if he refuses justice just takes him completely over like seen in the videos).
No problem..
I'm sorry to say that this won't convince the anders haters since they will say "but merging with justice was his choice bla.."
but I really wonder why anders seems to get all the hate for what he did and justice/vengeance get pretty much none.
I don't understand it since Justice is the main reason for his DAA -> DA2 change.
His codex entry says:
SpoilerAnd after they merged Anders has no other choice than going down the road justice wants him to go (if he refuses justice just takes him completely over like seen in the videos).
Justice persuaded him but didn't force him, Anders is the one who offered the merging. Anders is a grown man with a head on his shoulders and should have understood that no matter how good their intentions seem and how convincing they are, merging with fade entities is never a good thing. Even Morrigan knew that. What Anders did was stupid beyond comprehension.
The Inquisitor's life would not have needed saving from that arrow if Rainier had owned up to what he did years ago and lived a lie since. Because if he did, in that timeline there would have been no "Find Blackwall" mission and no people there thus no arrow fired.
LMAO
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