I agree that the people calling Rainier a rapist is going too far. They bring up rape by deception, which is a real thing, but the fact Rainier tries to keep you away but the Inquisitor keeps pushing for it makes him innocent of that crime.
Yeah, I don't agree with that. He's a stalker(To Josie) not a rapist to anyone. Especially the IQ, you have to practically creep on the LIs in this freaking game just to start a romance.
I wish there was a way to get much of this information outside of just hoping for interesting squad banter to come up.
Yeah, I don't agree with that. He's a stalker(To Josie) not a rapist to anyone. Especially the IQ, you have to practically creep on the LIs in this freaking game just to start a romance.
Yeah, I don't agree with that. He's a stalker(To Josie) not a rapist to anyone. Especially the IQ, you have to practically creep on the LIs in this freaking game just to start a romance.
By that logic, that's every Bioware romance
Yeah, I don't agree with that. He's a stalker(To Josie) not a rapist to anyone. Especially the IQ, you have to practically creep on the LIs in this freaking game just to start a romance.
I initially agreed with the stalker sentiment, but you can ask Josie about Blackwall, and it doesn't sound stalkerish at all. I of course didn't even hear this dialogue until like a week ago, but it's really not bad.
And about the creeping on the LIs, if the LIs made the first move in this game, I'd guarantee you that a metric crap ton of people would be complaining about it.
Saying he's a stalker to Josephine is as ridiculous as calling him a rapist is. The feelings appear to be mutual, and the banter/comments people have said Josephine makes with regards to Blackwall seem to indicate this.
Right? I mean, in order to paint Blackwall as a stalker of Josephine, you literally have to ignore what Josephine herself says about their relationship. You literally have to ignore the complete lack of scenes where Blackwall is inexplicably lingering around her office. And you have to ignore the clear historical precedent that serves as their "relationship" model: courtly love.
But what can you expect? Forsaking evidence/lack of evidence in favor of headcanons is just how some people roll.
The "Rainier is a stalker" thing came as a result of a bug in the game which has the party banter of him watching her still triggers despite the Inquisitor being in a relationship with Josephine.
Right? I mean, in order to paint Blackwall as a stalker of Josephine, you literally have to ignore what Josephine herself says about their relationship. You literally have to ignore the complete lack of scenes where Blackwall is inexplicably lingering around her office. And you have to ignore the clear historical precedent that serves as their "relationship" model: courtly love.
But what can you expect? Forsaking evidence/lack of evidence in favor of headcanons is just how some people roll.
Maybe you should drop the damn accusatory tone, considering the majority of us have games bugged to hell and back. As a result, quite a few of us, myself included, have only that one banter with Cole reading Blackwall's thoughts. Not once when I talked to Josephine was there ever an option to ask her about Blackwall, and same when I talked to Blackwall. So chill the hell out.
So long as he doesn't actively follow her through out Skyhold, I don't see the problem with him looking at her even if she's in a relationship with the IQ.
Saying he's a stalker to Josephine is as ridiculous as calling him a rapist is. The feelings appear to be mutual, and the banter/comments people have said Josephine makes with regards to Blackwall seem to indicate this.
Yeah cause everyone loves it when a man eyes them from hidden pillars. 
By that logic, that's every Bioware romance
*cough* Zevran and Anders *cough* lol!!
I initially agreed with the stalker sentiment, but you can ask Josie about Blackwall, and it doesn't sound stalkerish at all. I of course didn't even hear this dialogue until like a week ago, but it's really not bad.
And about the creeping on the LIs, if the LIs made the first move in this game, I'd guarantee you that a metric crap ton of people would be complaining about it.
Ah, in my game Josie doesn't say squat about Blackwall. Just Blackwall talking about how lovely she is and Viv mentioning him coming into the hall to watch her from pillars.
Until my game is fixed (which I doubt at this point) Blackwall and Josie isn't a reality in my game world.
Yeah, sadly people can't handle getting hit on apparently which means we now have to walk around sexually harassing our companions like Pepe Le Pew 
Maybe you should drop the damn accusatory tone, considering the majority of us have games bugged to hell and back. As a result, quite a few of us, myself included, have only that one banter with Cole reading Blackwall's thoughts. Not once when I talked to Josephine was there ever an option to ask her about Blackwall, and same when I talked to Blackwall. So chill the hell out.
Tone police someone else, thanks. It isn't as if I haven't seen the same level of irritation coming from you at some point or another.
Maybe you should drop the damn accusatory tone, considering the majority of us have games bugged to hell and back. As a result, quite a few of us, myself included, have only that one banter with Cole reading Blackwall's thoughts. Not once when I talked to Josephine was there ever an option to ask her about Blackwall, and same when I talked to Blackwall. So chill the hell out.
They and quite a few others of the Rainier Rescue Respondents are like that: they either are accusatory if not straight up insulting towards those who disagree with them.
They and quite a few others of the Rainier Rescue Respondents are like that: they either are accusatory if not straight up insulting towards those who disagree with them.
What irritates me is that I'm not even disagreeing. I was simply explaining why the vast majority would consider Blackwall a stalker.
Tone police someone else, thanks. It isn't as if I haven't seen the same level of irritation coming from you at some point or another.
Your own aggression hardly does your arguments in defense of Blackwall any credit either, dear.
*shrug*
I wasn't even trying to freaking disagree with you. I was just attempting to explain why quite a few of us had no idea that Blackwall was anything but a stalker.
Your own aggression hardly does your arguments in defense of Blackwall any credit either, dear.
*shrug*
I wasn't even trying to freaking disagree with you. I was just attempting to explain why quite a few of us had no idea that Blackwall was anything but a stalker.
I don't care about earning your favor, or doing credit to anyone, dear. And my argument was not so much a pro-Blackwall argument as it was a "this isn't stalking" argument. Unless not thinking someone is a criminal is the same as character endorsement.
And speaking of aggression, perhaps your attempt to "explain" would have been better received if you had not freaked out toward the end with the whole "chill the hell out" bit. Just sayin.'
Yeah, and who cares if Blackwall and Josie are a reality in your gameworld because you didn't get to hear the dialogue? You are making a blatantly false accusation about stalking, something that probably shouldn't be so lightly thrown around, because of a bug which you are now clearly well aware of.Yeah cause everyone loves it when a man eyes them from hidden pillars.
*cough* Zevran and Anders *cough* lol!!
Ah, in my game Josie doesn't say squat about Blackwall. Just Blackwall talking about how lovely she is and Viv mentioning him coming into the hall to watch her from pillars.
Until my game is fixed (which I doubt at this point) Blackwall and Josie isn't a reality in my game world.
As a result, quite a few of us, myself included, have only that one banter with Cole reading Blackwall's thoughts.
The one where Blackwall imagines her naked or something? I didn't see it as stalking - he has a crush on her, of course he thinks about her a lot and sometimes his mind wanders. By this logic, tons of people who have crushes on someone could be labeled stalkers. Besides, IIRC, Cole implies that his feelings are mutual in the same banter.
Your own aggression hardly does your arguments in defense of Blackwall any credit either, dear.
To be honest, your overreaction and condescending tone don't do you any credit either.
So long as he doesn't actively follow her through out Skyhold, I don't see the problem with him looking at her even if she's in a relationship with the IQ.
Agreed. Especially since Blackwall's writer confirmed that the banters about his crush aren't supposed to trigger if IQ is romancing Josephine.
It's not really a relationship when all their doing is passing love notes and they hardly know anything about each other. It's at most Josephine being more in love with the idea of Blackwall than the actual man.
It's not really a relationship when all their doing is passing love notes and they hardly know anything about each other. It's at most Josephine being more in love with the idea of Blackwall than the actual man.
Semantics - as has been pointed out by others, it's essentialy an example of courtly love (or whatever you prefer to describe it as - don't really care about the description as long it's acknowledged that there is no stalking involved). Blackwall and Josie are clearly communicating and clumsily (or not-so clumsily since I am not privy to their notes) flirting, or what passes as flirting for them. They may not hop into bed, but it's still a relationship.
Flirting is not a relationship.
They can call it whatever they like just as we can call it childish.
It's not really a relationship when all their doing is passing love notes and they hardly know anything about each other. It's at most Josephine being more in love with the idea of Blackwall than the actual man.
"Courtly love" or whatever they do kinda does count as a relationship
Yeah, and who cares if Blackwall and Josie are a reality in your gameworld because you didn't get to hear the dialogue? You are making a blatantly false accusation about stalking, something that probably shouldn't be so lightly thrown around, because of a bug which you are now clearly well aware of.
The Josie-Blackwall relationship/flirting is programmed into the game - just like the Bull-Dorian relationship is - and it's there in the code despite the bugs, which is actual reality, something that I think matters a bit more than your gameworld. I haven't seen the Bull-Dorian relationship in my gameworld, yet I am somehow fully capable of acknowledging that it exists despite not having seen it for myself.
Apparently you do. And yep I'm gonna keep on calling him a stalker just to p*ss you off now. 
And please spare me the "it's canon cause it's coded into the game" nonsense. If that was the case then it wouldn't matter if a player picked the Templars or Mages because "it's programmed into the game" So I guess that means the IQ picked both. There is a reason why people have what they consider to be "canon gameplays" What happens in their game is canon and what didn't happen simply doesn't exist in their world. So if Blackwall and Joise doesn't happen in my game it isn't a reality for my story same with Dorian and IB.
But by all means, continue to throw b*tch fits over how everyone else plays their game.
Apparently you do. And yep I'm gonna keep on calling him a stalker just to ****** you off now.
And please spare me the "it's canon cause it's coded into the game" nonsense. If that was the case then it wouldn't matter if a player picked the Templars or Mages because "it's programmed into the game" So I guess that means the IQ picked both. There is a reason why people have what they consider to be "canon gameplays" What happens in their game is canon and what didn't happen simply doesn't exist in tehir world. So if Blackwall and Joise doesn't happen in my game it isn't a reality for my story same with Dorian and IB.
But by all means, continue to throw ****** fits over how everyone else plays their game.
I think your taking the programmed comment out of context, she's saying while you didn't see it due to a bug it still happened because you didn't romance either Josie or Blackwall the same way Dorian-Iron Bull happens if you don't romance either
"Courtly love" or whatever they do kinda does count as a relationship
It's flirting. That is not a relationship.
Semantics - as has been pointed out by others, it's essentialy an example of courtly love (or whatever you prefer to describe it as - don't really careabout the description as long it's acknowledged that there is no stalking involved). Blackwall and Josie are clearly communicating and clumsily (or not-so clumsily since I am not privy to their notes) flirting, or what passes as flirting for them. They may not hop into bed, but it's still a relationship.
Semantics my foot. I'm not saying there's any stalking but calling passing notes a relationship is absurd. Being sexually attracted to one another and passing love notes does not a relationship make.
I think your taking the programmed comment out of context, she's saying while you didn't see it due to a bug it still happened because you didn't romance either Josie or Blackwall the same way Dorian-Iron Bull happens if you don't romance either
It's pretty much the same. The Dorian/IB thing doesn't even trigger if you don't put them in your party to have the banter. Same with Joise and Black. So even if the game worked the player can still avoid it and not have it as a part of their DA experience.
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