What I already said. Both parties considering themselves to be with one another.
Ah, I missed that. Sorry.
Hell does Josephine keep up the note sending after she gets engaged? Because if so that pretty much flat out says she doesn't consider them in a relationship.
The engagement only comes up if you romance her, so can't really say. I know she still marries Otranto because Rainier doesn't duel him like the Inquisitor does.
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stalker: a person who harasses another person, as a former lover, a famous person, etc., in an aggressive, often threatening and illegal manner.
I take it you interpret sending her flowers in secret as an aggressive behavior, his desire for her body as threatening and his (reciprocated) love for her as illegal I guess.
A stalker is a person who keeps harassing someone who has no interest in him/her. Josephine says she yearns him with all her heart in the vid I linked, and she appreciates his gallant flirting a lot.
Learning the meaning of words before writing nonsense could be a good idea.
A stalker is a mentally insane person who keeps harassing someone who has no interest in him/her.
Please don't say that. Mentally ill people suffer enough stigma (and often violence) without adding more fuel to the fire by blaming the behavior of criminals on them too. People are assholes because they want to be, because it makes them feel good, because they feel entitled to the attention, affection and bodies of others. It's something that plenty of "non-insane" people do ... and it's often the victim who gets labelled as "crazy" then too as a silencing tactic.
That still isn't a relationship. Actually now that I've seen that video its even more blatant she even acknowledges it as not being a relationship so wtf.
They exchange some notes, he gives her flowers but...that's not a relationship. There's no companionship, I see no trust and understanding other than the whole "this is all this can ever be." this would probably be bittersweet if we saw them being friends otherwise but we don't see that either. When the PC romances Josephine or Blackwall they have actual conversations with one another in person. Even discounting the physical intimacy there's an emotional intimacy. Like I said it feels more like they're in love with the idea of each other than the actual person.
Please don't say that. Mentally ill people suffer enough stigma (and often violence) without adding more fuel to the fire by blaming the behavior of criminals on them too. People are assholes because they want to be, because it makes them feel good, because they feel entitled to the attention, affection and bodies of others. It's something that plenty of "non-insane" people do ... and it's often the victim who gets labelled as "crazy" then too as a silencing tactic.
Thank you for saying this.
Please don't say that. Mentally ill people suffer enough stigma (and often violence) without adding more fuel to the fire by blaming the behavior of criminals on them too. People are assholes because they want to be, because it makes them feel good, because they feel entitled to the attention, affection and bodies of others. It's something that plenty of "non-insane" people do ... and it's often the victim who gets labelled as "crazy" then too as a silencing tactic.
Thank you for saying this, Korva. I appreciate it. 
Please don't say that. Mentally ill people suffer enough stigma (and often violence) without adding more fuel to the fire by blaming the behavior of criminals on them too. People are assholes because they want to be, because it makes them feel good, because they feel entitled to the attention, affection and bodies of others. It's something that plenty of "non-insane" people do ... and it's often the victim who gets labelled as "crazy" then too as a silencing tactic.
I'm sorry, but some criminals are mentally ill and some types of criminal behaviour are specifically caused by mental illnesses. That doesn't mean that every mentally ill person is a criminal or that every mental illness results in criminal activity. I'm saying this as someone who has suffered from a mental illness before.
Interested in one another =/= in a intimate relationship. Even if the feelings are mutual. I flirt incessantly with my friends back and forth. That does not mean we're in a relationship. FemQuizzy can flirt with Dorian constantly and he flirts back. That doesn't mean they're in a relationship.
Enjoying flirting with someone does not mean you're in a relationship with them. Which is why I'm asking for some proof of them actually considering themselves in a relationship.
No one said it was to the point of being initimate yet (at least I am in no way making that claim). They seem to be at the beginning stages of a relationship to me (albeit one that seems likely go nowhere) - way before the point that they might actually start banging.
Although I've been trying to find a link to that post I read where it said they had met alone in and/or to find a recording of it, but I am not having much luck right now, so we can set that aside unless someone else manages to find it (so not going to spend my Sunday looking for a needle in a haystck atm, heh). However, I do feel that writing notes shows a bit more effort is being put into this...whatever thing it is that they have - more effort than the kind of flirting the Inquisitor engages in at least. They're actually taking time to compose their thoughts and put it into (presumably) flowery writing.
I'm sorry, but some criminals are mentally ill and some types of criminal behaviour are specifically caused by mental illnesses. That doesn't mean that every mentally ill person is a criminal or that every mental illness results in criminal activity. I'm saying this as someone who has suffered from a mental illness before. Please don't lump all the people suffering from vast variety of mental disorders with different symptoms and severity together in one mass and simply call them "mentally ill people".
That's what MrsRobinRainier did. Their post implies that all stalkers are such due to being mentally ill when that is not accurate.
No one said it was to the point of being initimate yet (at least I am in no way making that claim). They seem to be at the beginning stages of a relationship to me (albeit one that seems likely go nowhere) - way before the point that they might actually start banging.
Although I've been trying to find a link to that post I read where it said they had met alone in and/or to find a recording of it, but I am not having much luck right now, so we can set that aside unless someone else manages to find it (so not going to spend my Sunday looking for a needle in a haystck atm, heh). However, I do feel that writing notes shows a bit more effort is being put into this...whatever thing it is that they have - more effort than the kind of flirting the Inquisitor engages in at least. They're actually taking time to compose their thoughts and put it into (presumably) flowery writing.
It is going nowhere is given what Josephine says. It's mere favors and flowers and notes. Nothing more since anything else would invite shame.
Yeah to me that's just flirting an idealization of a relationship that doesn't work in reality. Nothing's really expected.
As for more effort than the Inquisitor...Uh you clearly didn't romance Cass or rode the Bull. Killing a dragon is a hell of a lot more effort than some flowers.
It is going nowhere not even likely given what Josephine says. It's mere favors and flowers and notes. Nothing more since anything else would invite shame.
Yeah to me that's just flirting an idealization of a relationship that doesn't work in reality.
Or just not in today's society
Or just not in today's society
Eh if they were actually shown to be friends outside the flirting and notes then I could see it. But as it is just comes off as extremely shallow.
Killing a dragon is a hell of a lot more effort than some flowers.
It took me five consecutive tries to murder that goddamn Fereldan Frostback. I worked my ass off for Bull's love.
Eh if they were actually shown to be friends outside the flirting and notes then I could see it. But as it is just comes off as extremely shallow.
I agree, but I can see something as "courtly love" being a thing in medieval times as a form of relationship
It took me five consecutive tries to murder that goddamn Fereldan Frostback. I worked my ass off for Bull's love.
XD That frostback I don't even bother with him til I'm lvl 14+ I can't. The adds are too much.
I agree, but I can see something as "courtly love" being a thing in medieval times as a form of relationship
I would buy that if the rest of the game relationships weren't fairly modern in comparison. Josephine is even the ungated romance for quizzies so I'm not buying her "but our stations!" excuse.
Please don't say that. Mentally ill people suffer enough stigma (and often violence) without adding more fuel to the fire by blaming the behavior of criminals on them too. People are assholes because they want to be, because it makes them feel good, because they feel entitled to the attention, affection and bodies of others. It's something that plenty of "non-insane" people do ... and it's often the victim who gets labelled as "crazy" then too as a silencing tactic.
I edited. A stalker is a person who ... etc... is better?
The point of my post was another one btw and I'm starting to get the impression that some replies are there only to divert the discussion on issues that are totally off topic and focus the attention on something else. Grasping at straws you say in English right? We call it 'climb the mirrors'.
I edited. A stalker is a person who ... etc... is better?
The point of my post was another one btw and I'm starting to get the impression that some replies are there only to divert the discussion on issues that are totally off topic and focus the attention on something else. Grasping at straws you say in English right? We call it 'climb on the mirrors'.
Thank you for editing.
That's what MrsRobinRainier did. Their post implies that all stalkers are such due to being mentally ill when that is not accurate.
I should edit my post (or delete it). I was irritated and didn't word my thoughts adequately. My point is that whether people like it or not, some criminals are really insane. Being offended by that is ridiculous, because like it or not, that's how it is. I'm not familiar with stalkers' psychology, but this kind of behaviour might as well be caused by a mental disorder of some sorts. It sure as hell doesn't sound healthy.
I edited. A stalker is a person who ... etc... is better?
The point of my post was another one btw and I'm starting to get the impression that some replies are there only to divert the discussion on issues that are totally off topic and focus the attention on something else. Grasping at straws you say in English right? We call it 'climb on the mirrors'.
You mean like how you brought up stalker when the only one who called him such was a person who admitted to trolling?
Eh if they were actually shown to be friends outside the flirting and notes then I could see it. But as it is just comes off as extremely shallow.
That's the game of courtly love. Their respective positions prevent them from being together, so they send each other notes and tokens. It allows them to engage in a 'forbidden' love while remaining safe from scandal. If he pursued her more actively, he might damage her reputation (not to mention get rejected). Same thing if she made a move.
So, in a way it is shallow, but since they both agree to do this and are aware that it can't go beyond that, they are happy with their little fantasy. They are doing this to experience the thrill of romance without the risk of scandal or broken hearts.
Kinda like people who read novels, watch theater plays or play video games. Same idea, different medium.
As for more effort than the Inquisitor...Uh you clearly didn't romance Cass or rode the Bull. Killing a dragon is a hell of a lot more effort than some flowers.
I was referring strictly to the verbal flirting, but yes, I'm aware that killing a dragon is the way to Bull's heart, etc. - lol.
I like him. I was shocked at first but he really is no different then Zevran, Sten or Anders in comparison to killing people. I am also not 100% sure if he just gave the orders or if he participated in killing the family.
It took me five consecutive tries to murder that goddamn Fereldan Frostback. I worked my ass off for Bull's love.
My point is that whether people like it or not, some criminals are really insane. Being offended by that is ridiculous, because like it or not, that's how it is. I'm not familiar with stalkers' psychology, but this kind of behaviour might as well be caused by a mental disorder of some sorts. It sure as hell doesn't sound healthy.
Does anyone deny that some criminals suffer from mental illness? No. But it's plain wrong to blame mental illness for criminal behavior without a qualified diagnosis, especially as a blanket statement, as if "normal" people don't commit crimes all the time. It really hurts when people throw out the "crazy" label and make the stigmas that do exist worse without thinking twice about the consequences. How many people suffer in silence because seeking help would get them labelled as "crazy" ... and as a result, as weak, selfish, stupid, dangerous even when they are harmless and their "craziness" is in fact the result of other people having inflicted violence on them? How many more suffer from the unavailability of adequate treatment when when they muster the courage to seek it?
Calling criminals insane often means that neither the causes for criminal behavior OR for mental illness get looked at (much less tackled). It means "normal" people can pretend what they're doing isn't in fact <insert crime here> by definition because they aren't "insane" after all -- and they can pretend the victim is "crazy" for making a scene and overreacting to "perfectly normal" behavior. Society sometimes sends some really shitty messages about what can pass for "perfectly normal behavior". Doesn't take a "crazy" person to internalize them and act on them, just a thoughtlessly self-centered one ... or an ******* who likes causing harm and then hiding behind society-approved victim blaming.
But I'll drop this now and peace out, it is not a comfortable subject.
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