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[Qunquistador]

I'd say Josie, if I had to. But really, none of them are "safe" in the strictest sense. Which is good, I don't necessarily need "safe" relationships in my games. I just want a relationship that's a compelling story. 

Hmm, I feel like she would be the safest in terms of stability. My next guess would have been Cullen but I don't know with the whole Lyrium. And yeah, I don't want the romances to be easy in game either. I was just joking about them translating to real life and needing the safest option.

 

I'd say Dorian is the safest. All you have to do with him is stand up for him against his dad. 

Awww dang, Mr. Moustache really needs some love. As if he wasn't already endearing enough. I wish Dorian could be bromanced more. He needs his own version of Sera's rooftime.

[Ryzaki]

No, that's not all. You also have to put up with his "noble" habits and deal with his temper. 

 

Yep. He's too patronizing for me. So what my quizzy didn't want to cry on his shoulder after HLTA. Didn't deserve a smarmy response to a "I'm fine." and the constant snapping and saying sorry reminded me of Fenris but without the justification.

[Vita Brevis]

Cause nobody's perfect. Though on my personal list he'd be the first, but I can see the flaws.  Then, Cass and Cullen, but they in my eyes have it just as bad, maybe even worse in some manners. And the others I would hardly even notice.

[Ryzaki]

Cause nobody's perfect. Though on my personal list he'd be the first, but I can see the flaws.  Then, Cass and Cullen, but they in my eyes have it just as bad, maybe even worse in some manners. And the others I would hardly even notice.

 

Oh I know nobody's perfect XD his flaws just aren't ignorable to me.

 

Cullen's are.

 

Solas...kind of are.

[ejoslin]

My second playthrough, knowing at that point who he really was, I realized that the bandits attacking at the beginning were some of his former men. I read the note found on one of the bandits' body --  that's the only way the note really makes sense.  It also explains his reaction immediately after the attack.  Maybe it was his time with the inquisitor that made him want to start righting wrongs. I don't know.

 

But I don't like his character.  I did the romance my first play through, and as it was an unspoiled play through, I was blindsided.  However, it was the way I lost respect for him.  I chose the "You're pathetic" line every time.  I decided to continue the romance just to see how it played out, and the kiss while he was in shackles I found exceedingly distasteful as that would just cause even more political damage -- if that is even possible.

 

In subsequent playthroughs, I still haven't been able to bring myself to let him rot, but I don't find him particularly heroic.  But I don't find him unlikeable or evil either.  It's just, despite his skill in combat, I do not respect the character.  I get that he agrees with that assessment, but that makes me like him even less.

 

 

[In Exile]

I don't get why Blackwall gets all the blame. His men are all insane amoral murderers. He doesn't include a "kill children" order explicitly. They're all just 'whateves, we've got to kill everyone, time to skin us some kids'.

They are absolutely not the victims here. Sure Blackwall did something treasonous, but the murder of that family lies squarely with his troop

[Vita Brevis]

Yeah, and he's innocent, falsely accused. And a hero. Just like Michel.

[Hazegurl]

My second playthrough, knowing at that point who he really was, I realized that the bandits attacking at the beginning were some of his former men. I read the note found on one of the bandits' body --  that's the only way the note really makes sense.  It also explains his reaction immediately after the attack.  Maybe it was his time with the inquisitor that made him want to start righting wrongs. I don't know.

 

But I don't like his character.  I did the romance my first play through, and as it was an unspoiled play through, I was blindsided.  However, it was the way I lost respect for him.  I chose the "You're pathetic" line every time.  I decided to continue the romance just to see how it played out, and the kiss while he was in shackles I found exceedingly distasteful as that would just cause even more political damage -- if that is even possible.

 

In subsequent playthroughs, I still haven't been able to bring myself to let him rot, but I don't find him particularly heroic.  But I don't find him unlikeable or evil either.  It's just, despite his skill in combat, I do not respect the character.  I get that he agrees with that assessment, but that makes me like him even less.

I just had to see this kiss in shackles you guys are talking about. I've never seen it before and have no desire to romance Blackwall. I admit, that whole scene was just tacky and sort of contrived. It's like an extra scene that just wouldn't end. And for a guy who claims to care so much for the position he's putting the FemIQ in that moment seemed OOC. But then again I didn't romance him to get all the inside stuff.

 

Anyway, what competent leader would think that was remotely cool?? smh that it was given to the female IQs.  But then again, I sure as heck wouldn't have wanted that scene stapled onto Dorian.  "Yeah I'm gonna kiss my Tevinter lover whom I just got out of jail or something during his judgement in which I just freed him.  I'm sure this will end well."  Nope! 

 

There should have been an option to dismiss Blackwall, then go see him later in private to make up.

[SgtSteel91]

Do you really care what other people think of your relationships? To me, that was kiss was just telling everyone "I love this man, idgaf what anyone else thinks and they all can just suck it and deal with the Darkspawn Magister by themselves if they're that picky about who saves them if they get pissy about my sex life." Should have had the option to stick your middle finger to everyone as you were kissing, imo.

[Vita Brevis]

Someone who would do such a thing in-game belong to a kindergarten. 

I'm all for "I don't give a sh*t about your opinions on my personal life", but that's just showing off. Personal life called "personal" for a reason.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Loved the public kiss, thought it was delightfully awful and awfully delightful at the same time.

[Ryzaki]

I just thought it was mindbogging considering he's the one whining not a minute ago about her being seen as corrupt.

 

Way to shoot your own argument in the foot.

[Rinji the Bearded]

I just thought it was mindbogging considering he's the one whining not a minute ago about her being seen as corrupt.

 

Way to shoot your own argument in the foot.

 

man we're still on about that

 

he was upset because a lot of expense was paid (josie's words) to pull him out of a place where he wanted to be, he's just angry gosh people say things when they are angry

[Ryzaki]

man we're still on about that

 

he was upset because a lot of expense was paid (josie's words) to pull him out of a place where he wanted to be, he's just angry gosh people say things when they are angry

 

Still ridiculous and he should've had enough brainpower to mention it in private.

 

If it doesn't bother you that's fine. It's not gonna stop bothering me. Is it a human response? Yeah. Still counterproductive and if I could call him on it I wouldn't be so damn annoyed.

[Steelcan]

he was really stretching at condemning the Inquisition because Josephine pulled strings, like the other two make sense, but getting all pissy over that?

[Ryzaki]

he was really stretching at condemning the Inquisition because Josephine pulled strings, like the other two make sense, but getting all pissy over that?

 

Yep. I picked Josie's option so him whining about corruption over that and then going all "btw bby u still love me right?" if I had a renegade interrupt I would've pressed it so hard.

[Steelcan]

Yep. I picked Josie's option so him whining about corruption over that and then going all "btw bby u still love me right?" if I had a renegade interrupt I would've pressed it so hard.

something sorely needed tbh

[Rinji the Bearded]

lol a man is not allowed to be frustrated in public when he's already obviously humiliated i guess

 

*ROLLS OUT OF HERE*

[AtreiyaN7]

Still ridiculous and he should've had enough brainpower to mention it in private.

 

If it doesn't bother you that's fine. It's not gonna stop bothering me. Is it a human response? Yeah. Still counterproductive and if I could call him on it I wouldn't be so damn annoyed.

 

I think he's just pointing out the obvious about what people who already dislike or have doubts about the Inquisition will be saying about this and that he's not really accusing the Inquisitor herself of being corrupt. Basically, he's saying that political enemies of the Inquisition will find out and that they will probably use this as ammo. It pretty much does give your enemies (and it would be silly to think there aren't enemies around who want you to fall) the ability to say: "Ah, now this really is proof that the Inquisition is filled with corrupt and heretical people!"

 

Blackwall: And what happens to the reputation that the ambassador has so carefully cultivated?
Blackwall: The world will learn how you've used your influence. They'll know the Inquisition is corrupt.

 

As for the issue of him saying this in front of everyone, well, everything that the Inquisitor (EDIT: and Josephine with the initial announcement about what it took to get him there, actually) has been saying before he responds makes it pretty clear that she pulled those strings. His asking what she did and his being upset doesn't really change what people (and let's assume that they're relatively smart people) are probably already thinking or already know. People (especially nobles, I imagine) in Val Royeaux certainly must have known something was up at minimum with Rainier suddenly being handed over to the Inquisition, and I would fully expect rumors to spread over time. *shrug*

[Sabreenei]

Still ridiculous and he should've had enough brainpower to mention it in private.

 

If it doesn't bother you that's fine. It's not gonna stop bothering me. Is it a human response? Yeah. Still counterproductive and if I could call him on it I wouldn't be so damn annoyed.

 

Just a note about the placement of these lines: When he says this, he has no idea if there will be a private time. The inquisitor has yet to judge him, for all he knows this is his last chance to say anything.

 

Edit: Also, I kind of feel like by the Inquisitor circumventing Orlesian law and bringing him to Skyhold and then judging him in front of a room full of people, it's already opened the can of worms. I didn't actually like that aspect, and felt like it was a game mechanic. No matter which option you choose to get him out, it would be stupid for the IQ to judge him in public once it's done. Especially if one of the more sneaky options was chosen.

[Sabreenei]

I just had to see this kiss in shackles you guys are talking about. I've never seen it before and have no desire to romance Blackwall. I admit, that whole scene was just tacky and sort of contrived. It's like an extra scene that just wouldn't end. And for a guy who claims to care so much for the position he's putting the FemIQ in that moment seemed OOC. But then again I didn't romance him to get all the inside stuff.

 

Anyway, what competent leader would think that was remotely cool?? smh that it was given to the female IQs.  But then again, I sure as heck wouldn't have wanted that scene stapled onto Dorian.  "Yeah I'm gonna kiss my Tevinter lover whom I just got out of jail or something during his judgement in which I just freed him.  I'm sure this will end well."  Nope! 

 

There should have been an option to dismiss Blackwall, then go see him later in private to make up.

 

There really should've been two scenes. A judgment scene and a discuss it/make-up scene.  My quizzie didn't care, because she's like that (and honestly, I'd heard about it beforehand and was expecting a big makeout, and was kind of like.. that's it???"), but I can totally understand IQ's that would definitely not want it.

 

The only thing I don't like, is that all the blame is put on Blackwall for the kiss. Yes, he brought up the relationship and walked forward, but the IQ walks forward to meets him, and reaches out to touch his face first, and then pretty much has to accept the kiss. The game makes it the IQ's choice to kiss him. So really, I don't blame Blackwall, I blame game mechanics.

[Ryzaki]

I think he's just pointing out the obvious about what people who already dislike or have doubts about the Inquisition will be saying about this and that he's not really accusing the Inquisitor herself of being corrupt. Basically, I think he's saying that political enemies of the Inquisition will find out and that they will probably use this as ammo. It pretty much does give your enemies (and it would be silly to think there aren't enemies around who want you to fall) the ability to say: "Ah, now this really is proof that the Inquisition is filled with corrupt and heretical people!"

 

Blackwall: And what happens to the reputation that the ambassador has so carefully cultivated?
Blackwall: The world will learn how you've used your influence. They'll know the Inquisition is corrupt.

 

As for the issue of him saying this in front of everyone, well, everything that the Inquisitor (EDIT: and Josephine with the initial announcement about what it took to get him there, actually) has been saying before that makes it pretty clear that she pulled those strings. His asking what she did and his being upset doesn't really change what people (and let's assume that they're relatively smart people) are probably already thinking or already know. People (especially nobles, I imagine) in Val Royeaux certainly must have known something was up at minimum with Rainier suddenly being handed over to the Inquisition, and I would fully expect rumors to spread over time. *shrug*

 

Yeah that's not making his "let me blurt out our relationship in public not even 2 seconds after my sentencing." bit any better. Rumors of corruption are one thing. Shoving his tongue down her throat in chains is pretty much an affirmation. If that works for you? That's fine. That doesn't work for me. At all.

 

Just a note about the placement of these lines: When he says this, he has no idea if there will be a private time. The inquisitor has yet to judge him, for all he knows this is his last chance to say anything.

 

Edit: Also, I kind of feel like by the Inquisitor circumventing Orlesian law and bringing him to Skyhold and then judging him in front of a room full of people, it's already opened the can of worms. I didn't actually like that aspect, and felt like it was a game mechanic. No matter which option you choose to get him out, it would be stupid for the IQ to judge him in public once it's done. Especially if one of the more sneaky options was chosen.

 

Actually when he says that he's already been judged. It's why he keeps his mouth shut if you conscript him.

 

That be told there is plenty of stupid like conscripting him and asking him to remain as Blackwall. Because that cat's not completely out of the bag.

 

lol a man is not allowed to be frustrated in public when he's already obviously humiliated i guess

 

*ROLLS OUT OF HERE*

 

Oh he's allowed to be as frustrated as he wants. I just wish I could call him on it. Alas all I can do to avoid it is the conscription which is the worst choice of them all.

[SgtSteel91]

They really should have just cleared out the npc's. Just have it be you deciding Blackwall's fate behind closed doors. Would have made things like switching him with a double make sense.

[AtreiyaN7]

Yeah that's not making his "let me blurt out our relationship in public not even 2 seconds after my sentencing." bit any better. Rumors of corruption are one thing. Shoving his tongue down her throat in chains is pretty much an affirmation. If that works for you? That's fine. That doesn't work for me. At all.

 

 

Remember that I've always said there should have been an option for the kissing to be private - even I would have preferred that that option exist for everyone (not exactly a fan of PDA, but having thought about it, I ended up not being overly bothered by it because of reasons that I've cited previously in the other thread).

 

At any rate, I was solely talking about the dialogue (EDIT: the bit where he's upset before the judgment) and the rather obvious conclusions that people were probably already drawing just by virtue of what must have been a highly unusual extradition and hand over of Blackwall to the Inquisition.

[Sabreenei]

*snip*

 

Actually when he says that he's already been judged. It's why he keeps his mouth shut if you conscript him.

 

That be told there is plenty of stupid like conscripting him and asking him to remain as Blackwall. Because that cat's not completely out of the bag.

 

 

*snip*

 

Oh, my fault. I thought you were talking about the other lines, where he gets mad about what you did to bring him there. The romance lines/kiss, yeah, those come after the judgment.

 

If it was the judgment lines you were talking about, and I mixed it up again, this is how I found it in my screenshots:

 

 I have Josie bringing him in and she says "it was no small expense to bring him here, but the decision of what to do with him is now yours." Then Blackwall makes his statement about what you did to get him here (whatever choice you made), you have a few more lines, then it's the judgment. If you keep the romance going, then that's when he talks about his heart being true, and walks forward. The IQ walks forward, reaches out and touches him. The kiss.

 

Then the IQ drags him off into her quarters, seeing as they're right there.. Oh wait. Did that not happen? Must've just been my game.