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[Bugsie]

If you're playing it completely straight the scene doesn't work well, (and I've said right from the start it would have better been played out in 2 scenes) but then why does the inquisitor always have to be competent and always totally unbiased (or indeed sane) when making judgements?  You could argue 'your not playing it the way it's supposed to be played'!  but not everyone sees it like that.  I'm getting a lot of joy out of seeing others (not me, I got poor rp skillz) try and break the game in some way with their quizzy's and IDK there seems to be some potential for fun roleplaying here.

 

Now I want to play a bumbling Inspector Clouseau like inquisitor who makes terrible decisions, gets people killed and may or not be a megalomaniac, or simply a clueless idiot.  They also fall over a lot. It might make the making out in chains in front of everyone thing kinda work for me then.  

[Ryzaki]

Remember that I've always said there should have been an option for the kissing to be private - even I would have preferred that that option exist for everyone (not exactly a fan of PDA, but having thought about it, I ended up not being overly bothered by it because of reasons that I've cited previously in the other thread).

 

At any rate, I was solely talking about the dialogue and the rather obvious conclusions that people were probably already drawing just by virtue of what must have been a highly unusual extradition and hand over of Blackwall to the Inquisition.

 

Fair enough.

 

Again rumors =/= confirmation. They can think it was questionable all they like they wouldn't have had any solid evidence of anything one way or the other.

 

Oh, my fault. I thought you were talking about the other lines, where he gets mad about what you did to bring him there. The romance lines/kiss, yeah, those come after the judgment.

 

If it was the judgment lines you were talking about, and I mixed it up again, this is how I found it in my screenshots:

 

 I have Josie bringing him in and she says "it was no small expense to bring him here, but the decision of what to do with him is now yours." Then Blackwall makes his statement about what you did to get him here (whatever choice you made), you have a few more lines, then it's the judgment. If you keep the romance going, then that's when he talks about his heart being true, and walks forward. The IQ walks forward, reaches out and touches him. The kiss.

 

*snip*

 

Nah it's the judgement then he asks about your relationship then you get the hand and touch if you keep it going and not pick a heartbreak option. (Unless that's what you said and I misread you in which case I apologize).

My PC had every intention of handling it with professionalism. And she did when Blackwall put her on the spot.

[Ryzaki]

If you're playing it completely straight the scene doesn't work well, (and I've said right from the start it would have better been played out in 2 scenes) but then why does the inquisitor always have to be competent and always totally unbiased (or indeed sane) when making judgements?  You could argue 'your not playing it the way it's supposed to be played'!  but not everyone sees it like that.  I'm getting a lot of joy out of seeing others (not me, I got poor rp skillz) try and break the game in some way with their quizzy's and IDK there seems to be some potential for fun roleplaying here.

 

Now I want to play a bumbling Inspector Clouseau like inquisitor who makes terrible decisions, gets people killed and may or not be a megalomaniac, or simply a clueless idiot.  They also fall over a lot. It might make the making out in chains in front of everyone thing kinda work for me then.  

 

Well that's fair and all but why are there 2 ways to continue the romance that both only cater to that kind of Inquisitor? I could see if there was one version of the get together that had a public kiss. But when my only options are that or shut down I'm gonna pick shut it down.

[Bugsie]

Oh yeah, I totally get that Ryz, the options are extremely poor and limited, it was more a matter of me thinking how I could work with what we got given.

[AtreiyaN7]

Fair enough.

 

Again rumors =/= confirmation. They can think it was questionable all they like they wouldn't have had any solid evidence of anything one way or the other.

 

 

Oh, I agree that rumors aren't facts or confirmation, etc. However, rumors alone (true or untrue) can be damaging, especially in the hands of your political enemies.

[Ryzaki]

Oh yeah, I totally get that Ryz, the options are extremely poor and limited, it was more a matter of me thinking how I could work with what we got given.

 

Yeah see if I could at least call him on it I'd feel content. It could always end the romance and I'd still be content.

 

 

Oh, I agree that rumors aren't facts or confirmation, etc. However, rumors alone (true or untrue) can be damaging, especially in the hands of your political enemies.

 

There's been rumors about the Inquisition's corruption since it's conception though. So that's nothing new. Both Josephine and Leliana are used to dealing with the like.

[Bugsie]

I just get this terrible sinking feeling that the writers sort of abandoned his romance arc when they realised he wouldn't appeal to a lot of people, either looks or character wise.  I could be doing the writers a disservice here because there are other aspects of the character arc and the romance I really like, and there are obviously a number of people who do like him but it feels like something is missing and whilst I'm happy with the romance there are some wrinkles I'd liked to have seen ironed out.

[Ryzaki]

I just get this terrible sinking feeling that the writers sort of abandoned his romance arc when they realised he wouldn't appeal to a lot of people, either looks or character wise.  I could be doing the writers a disservice here because there are other aspects of the character arc and the romance I really like, and there are obviously a number of people who do like him but it feels like something is missing and whilst I'm happy with the romance there are some wrinkles I'd liked to have seen ironed out.

 

I actually think they may have run out of time? Because I get that same feeling with Bull. Like there really should've been more scenes of him adjusting to Tal Vasoth life (as in being an actual Tal Vasoth without the certainty of the Qun and his fear of madness without it's leash) and we get nada. Wait no we get Solas banter on the matter. And one dialogue choice. Yay.

 

I hate to say it even after all the delays but it feels like Inquisition could've used more time in the oven.

[Sabreenei]

I just get this terrible sinking feeling that the writers sort of abandoned his romance arc when they realised he wouldn't appeal to a lot of people, either looks or character wise.  I could be doing the writers a disservice here because there are other aspects of the character arc and the romance I really like, and there are obviously a number of people who do like him but it feels like something is missing and whilst I'm happy with the romance there are some wrinkles I'd liked to have seen ironed out.

 

This is true. I'm glad I'd finished up so much of the game before I did the Wicked Hearts/Wicked Eyes quest. After the judgment, it feels a little empty. Like a cutscene is missing. You don't have anything from the judgment until just before the last battle (the scene where he finishes the griffon). I felt like I had quite a few cutscenes with other companions (that I wasn't romancing) during that empty space with Blackwall.

 

But at least I took him to the Hissing Wastes during that time, and got to hear his story in the ruins!

 

@Ryz: It felt missing for Bull too! I was hoping it was because I wasn't in a romance arc with him, but it seemed like there weren't very many scenes at all.

 

Maybe it was just because some of the other companions had things to say after the Arbor Wilds quest, and neither one of them did. :/

[Bugsie]

I agree with you about bull too Ryz and it's probably why I feel let down about him the most tbh (that and Vivienne - so disappointed ).

 

I'd have liked a tighter story for all the characters and have the main quests not so spread out.  I was over collecting shards halfway through the first playthrough.

 

I think Inquisition is good, but yeah just a wee bit longer might have helped.

[Ryzaki]

This is true. I'm glad I'd finished up so much of the game before I did the Wicked Hearts/Wicked Eyes quest. After the judgment, it feels a little empty. Like a cutscene is missing. You don't have anything from the judgment until just before the last battle (the scene where he finishes the griffon). I felt like I had quite a few cutscenes with other companions (that I wasn't romancing) during that empty space with Blackwall.

 

But at least I took him to the Hissing Wastes during that time, and got to hear his story in the ruins!

 

@Ryz: It felt missing for Bull too! I was hoping it was because I wasn't in a romance arc with him, but it seemed like there weren't very many scenes at all.

 

Maybe it was just because some of the other companions had things to say after the Arbor Wilds quest, and neither one of them did. :/

 

Sucky

 

XD Hissing wastes is banter gold mine.

 

Nah even in a romance it's a little thin

 

Also Bull kind of makes me want to slap him during Arbor Wilds. BULL Y U NO MIND ABOUT THE GEAS?

 

I agree with you about bull too Ryz and it's probably why I feel let down about him the most tbh (that and Vivienne - so disappointed ).

 

I'd have liked a tighter story for all the characters and have the main quests not so spread out.  I was over collecting shards halfway through the first playthrough.

 

I think Inquisition is good, but yeah just a wee bit longer might have helped.

 

Ugh yeah Vivienne...they went too far with the Ice Queen thing. I hate to say it but she probably should've been romanceable. Least then we would've seen her without it on 24/7.

 

Same but I like collecting shards :3

 

Just glad they got that extension if it's barebones now I don't want to imagine what it was a year before D:

[AtreiyaN7]

I actually think they may have run out of time? Because I get that same feeling with Bull. Like there really should've been more scenes of him adjusting to Tal Vasoth life (as in being an actual Tal Vasoth without the certainty of the Qun and his fear of madness without it's leash) and we get nada. Wait no we get Solas banter on the matter. And one dialogue choice. Yay.

 

I hate to say it even after all the delays but it feels like Inquisition could've used more time in the oven.

 

Kind of agree - all the companion romances could have done with more content, and this wasn't limited to Blackwall. And certainly, the the game could have used more time for other reasons.

[MrsHairyMcLummox]

Do you really care what other people think of your relationships? To me, that was kiss was just telling everyone "I love this man, idgaf what anyone else thinks and they all can just suck it and deal with the Darkspawn Magister by themselves if they're that picky about who saves them if they get pissy about my sex life." Should have had the option to stick your middle finger to everyone as you were kissing, imo.

 

That's what I tried to say more than once but without any success xD

 

About the 'pro- animal cruelty' issue it's so riduculous when people apply the modern way of thinking to a medieval world full of death and destruction only when convenient  I just wanted to remind that statistically only 1% of the people who witness a crime or a rape in the streets intervene to help, the other 99% just turn their heads away and keep minding their own business as if nothing is happening. It appears that this 1% is made only by Dragon Age players, or otherwise I must think again it's just full of hypocrites.  And mind that Thom was just a kid! 

[Bugsie]

I'm a completionist with things so I will continue to collect shards even though I now find it annoying.

 

*must collect shards, must collect shards, rocks back and forth*.

[Ryzaki]

Kind of agree - all the companion romances could have done with more content and that this wasn't limited to Blackwall. And certainly, the the game could have used more time for other reasons.

 

Yeah like those MMO "give me X!" quests. Ugh.

 

I don't mind them but they're mindnumbing after a while.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's what I tried to say more than once but without any success xD

 

About the 'pro- animal cruelty' issue it's so riduculous when people apply the modern way of thinking to a medieval world full of death and destruction only when convenient  I just wanted to remind that statistically only 1% of the people who witness a crime or a rape in the streets intervene to help, the other 99% just turn their heads away and keep minding their own business as if nothing is happening. It appears that this 1% is made only by Dragon Age players, or otherwise I must think again it's just full of hypocrites.  And mind that Thom was just a kid! 

*does calculations*

 

So that means that there are about 71,250,000 people worldwide who are willing to intervene to help the victim.

[TheTurtle]

That's what I tried to say more than once but without any success xD

About the 'pro- animal cruelty' issue it's so riduculous when people apply the modern way of thinking to a medieval world full of death and destruction only when convenient I just wanted to remind that statistically only 1% of the people who witness a crime or a rape in the streets intervene to help, the other 99% just turn their heads away and keep minding their own business as if nothing is happening. It appears that this 1% is made only by Dragon Age players, or otherwise I must think again it's just full of hypocrites. And mind that Thom was just a kid!

Where the hell did you pull that statistic from?

[MrsHairyMcLummox]

Where the hell did you pull that statistic from.

 

I read an article on a newspaper a while ago about criminality in the streets that analyzed, among other things, the way passers-by react.

[TheTurtle]

I read an article on a newspaper a while ago about criminality in the streets that analyzed, among other things, the way passers-by react.

So it's not credible at all basically?

[MrsHairyMcLummox]

So it's not credible at all basically?

 

Nothing is credible, or everything is, people believe what they want to believe. 

[TheTurtle]

Nothing is credible, or everything is, people believe what they want to believe.

If you want to believe that in a world of over seven billion people 99% are assholes then I feel kinda bad for you.

[MrsHairyMcLummox]

If you want to believe that in a world of over seven billion people 99% are assholes then I feel kinda bad for you.

 

Make a small search on the web and then tell me what you've found about the subject.

 

Being 'arseholes' is a bit oversimplified, it's just that people are maybe too scared, or feel helpless, or are too shocked by violence and too petrified to even think about what to do, many simply think "Let someone else do something, it's full of people, I'm late for work I must run"...

 

It's so damn easy to judge while sitting on a comfortable chair in a cozy house behind a computer screen, I have no idea how I would react in front of a violence, and I assure you that the people who assisted personally to a crime claim that it's totally different from seeing the same scene on tv. And I'm talking about adults, not about a poor helpless kid who could objectively do nothing about it and who was most likely petrified and shocked. 

[rx00]

I always think that I didn't forgive Thom Rainier, I just delayed his sentence like about maximum thirty year.

[Ieldra]

Make a small search on the web and then tell me what you've found about the subject.
 
Being 'arseholes' is a bit oversimplified, it's just that people are maybe too scared, or feel helpless, or are too shocked by violence and too petrified to even think about what to do, many simply think "Let someone else do something, it's full of people, I'm late for work I must run"...
 
It's so damn easy to judge while sitting on a comfortable chair in a cozy house behind a computer screen, I have no idea how I would react in front of a violence, and I assure you that the people who assisted personally to a crime claim that it's totally different from seeing the same scene on tv. And I'm talking about adults, not about a poor helpless kid who could objectively do nothing about it and who was most likely petrified and shocked.

Indeed so. I happen to have personal experience with both, meaning I've both intervened in a violent situation and walked by. I'm not proud of the latter, but intervening takes more courage than you'd like to think, especially if there is a possibility the offender might turn on you. Also, you wouldn't believe how easily you can be intimidated. It takes real effort to get past that. I'd go so far to say that someone without personal experience has no business judging the situation.

[Catwall]

Make a small search on the web and then tell me what you've found about the subject.

 

Being 'arseholes' is a bit oversimplified, it's just that people are maybe too scared, or feel helpless, or are too shocked by violence and too petrified to even think about what to do, many simply think "Let someone else do something, it's full of people, I'm late for work I must run"...

 

It's so damn easy to judge while sitting on a comfortable chair in a cozy house behind a computer screen, I have no idea how I would react in front of a violence, and I assure you that the people who assisted personally to a crime claim that it's totally different from seeing the same scene on tv. And I'm talking about adults, not about a poor helpless kid who could objectively do nothing about it and who was most likely petrified and shocked. 

Even if your numbers were incorrect, you're correct that the bystander effect is a very real thing, Plenty of studies (Milgram; Darley and Latané) have shown how people will neglect to come to another person's aid, particularly when other people are around, aka "diffusion of responsibility," or "Someone else will surely handle this." People have literally died in the streets while other folks walked by. It's a very interesting phenomenon, but also one of the most depressing things I've learned about while working toward my MSW.

 

Anyway, not to go all off topic.