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[Orian Tabris]

Haven't played one yet all the way through but have started a couple.   Absolutely worth it.   One of DA2 MAJOR failings was being limited to just humans, the LEAST interesting of all the races. 

 

If anything I would have them take it a step further and add a greater difference in the game based on race.    I don't see me choosing a dwarf over an elf just because 2 or 3 lines are different, but if a lot more was unique then having 4 races would almost guarantee me 4 play runs right there.    The lack of Qunari armor variations and hair choices really limits whether I want to finish my Qunari character.   Playing the whole game in the same outfit is not appealing.    Thus I believe they would be better served if they FULLY implemented all 4 races rather than just touching on them, but I definitely prefer this to just offering humans. 

 

I agree with the hair on qunari. Why is it that we only get variations of hair and horns? All the hair styles are subject to their horn counterparts, when really, all hairstyles should be separate. BioWare really screwed that up for all races and genders, and they especially screwed up Hawke who has almost no hair styles that match DA2.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I think the Qunari and dwarf choice were good, and needed. The game is very human and elf heavy, even Grey Wardens which can be any race and have known to be any race are only really humans in this. Where are the elf, dwarf and Qunari Grey Wardens?

Not sure about the elves, but it makes sense to see no dwarf or Qunari Wardens. If you join the Wardens as a dwarf in DA:O, Alistair says "There haven't been any dwarven Wardens in a long time." As for the Qunari, considering Sten in DA:O was specifically sent to Ferelden to learn about the Blight, and that a Qunari is unlikely to join the Wardens without orders unless they go Tal-Vashoth, it's probably safe to assume Qunari Wardens are rare to non-existent.

[Catche Jagger]

These threads really irk me. It feels highly inconsiderate to me, who played a female Qunari for my canon playthrough, that people would seek to limit the options other people really like.

I think having Qunari and Dwarves was definately worth it

[Orian Tabris]

Not sure about the elves, but it makes sense to see no dwarf or Qunari Wardens. If you join the Wardens as a dwarf in DA:O, Alistair says "There haven't been any dwarven Wardens in a long time." As for the Qunari, considering Sten in DA:O was specifically sent to Ferelden to learn about the Blight, and that a Qunari is unlikely to join the Wardens without orders unless they go Tal-Vashoth, it's probably safe to assume Qunari Wardens are rare to non-existent.

 

I would point out that there actually does exist a dwarf Grey Warden. You can see one or two while wandering around Skyhold, after Into The Abyss. And I think there's even an elven GW in Skyhold, too. The dwarf has a shiny Grey Warden helmet on.

[cronshaw]

Everyone loves choice but I'm starting to think the game would have been better if dwarves and qunari were left out. Reasons include the amount of time and effort that went into making them work especially due to issues like height in cutscenes, being arguably less popular than humans & elves, lack of relevance in the story, their questionable romance compatibility with the LI's (nicely handled in Sera's case though) etc. There's no way of knowing what the tradeoff for having them in the game was but I'm sure it would've added to my enjoyment of the game much more than playable dwarves and qunari did.

 

Thoughts?

 

The games narrative would have been more focused, and frankly better in my opinion, if there were only one race to choose from

but people don't feel like they are playing an "RPG" if they can't do whatever they want.

Thought I don't particularly mind what they did

[cronshaw]

These threads really irk me. It feels highly inconsiderate to me, who played a female Qunari for my canon playthrough, that people would seek to limit the options other people really like.

I think having Qunari and Dwarves was definately worth it

So it's okay to have the game the way you want it

but if other people suggest the game be the way they want that irks you?

[legbamel]

I would point out that there actually does exist a dwarf Grey Warden. You can see one or two while wandering around Skyhold, after Into The Abyss. And I think there's even an elven GW in Skyhold, too. The dwarf has a shiny Grey Warden helmet on.

That's because my Aeducan Warden made it trendy in Orzammar.

[Orian Tabris]

That's because my Aeducan Warden made it trendy in Orzammar.

 

Like your shoes did?

[Antergaton]

Not sure about the elves, but it makes sense to see no dwarf or Qunari Wardens. If you join the Wardens as a dwarf in DA:O, Alistair says "There haven't been any dwarven Wardens in a long time." As for the Qunari, considering Sten in DA:O was specifically sent to Ferelden to learn about the Blight, and that a Qunari is unlikely to join the Wardens without orders unless they go Tal-Vashoth, it's probably safe to assume Qunari Wardens are rare to non-existent.

 

Hmm, that's a little odd, you'd think there would be more a few, especially in Ferelden, the location of Orzammar and Dwarves ongoing fight with the Darkspawn. You'd think a few more would end up joining the Wardens (casteless for example)

 

I would point out that there actually does exist a dwarf Grey Warden. You can see one or two while wandering around Skyhold, after Into The Abyss. And I think there's even an elven GW in Skyhold, too. The dwarf has a shiny Grey Warden helmet on.

 

Never noticed this myself but then I didn't pay attention to many of the new people at Skyhold, I wondered a lot how they got there, climbing mountains but not who specifically was taking up space.

[Orian Tabris]

Hmm, that's a little odd, you'd think there would be more a few, especially in Ferelden, the location of Orzammar and Dwarves ongoing fight with the Darkspawn. You'd think a few more would end up joining the Wardens (casteless for example)

 

 

Never noticed this myself but then I didn't pay attention to many of the new people at Skyhold, I wondered a lot how they got there, climbing mountains but not who specifically was taking up space.

 

Did I mention the dwarf I'm thinking of is male, and the elf I'm thinking of is female? She had red hair.

[Precursor Meta]

Hey, options are always nice...

[New Kid]

I enjoyed my second playthrough as a Dwarf much more than my human playthrough, I disagree with leaving them out.

[JackPoint]

The games narrative would have been more focused, and frankly better in my opinion, if there were only one race to choose from

but people don't feel like they are playing an "RPG" if they can't do whatever they want.

Thought I don't particularly mind what they did

I agree, as it stands choosing a race is simply a cosmetic option with a side dish of racial content of which is badly done in regards to Da lore.  Callng DAI an RPG is like calling CoD a tactical Fps, when i fact they are both closer to a Linear action game, where the Pc as very little choice in the actual story arc.

[Kulyok]

Not interested in playing either race, but given how extra races got me my elf Inquisitor and an elven-only romance, YES, PLEASE!

[pinkjellybeans]

I tried making a dwarf and a qunari but didn't get past Haven. I found out I really don't care about those races and I don't think it makes much sense in the story. I feel like they are just there for the sake of choice and nothing is different besides a few lines (I will, however, give qunari another chance once we get some decent hair and armor for them). I can understand elves because there's a lot of elven stuff in the game and also Solas but I wonder, if we had only humans in DAI, how different the game would've been and maybe so many things wouldn't have been cut because of time constraints.

 

Maybe I'm in the minority but if DA4 goes humans only (which I doubt it will anyway), I wouldn't mind it at all since I always preferred playing as a human (yes, I'm boring). But if they go all races again I hope they will add some unique things that will justify to have all of these races available. Like Origins where you had a completely different intro for each race and things like having Dog since the beginning if you're a noble, encountering characters connected to your PC's backstory later on (Tamlen, Jowan, Gorim), etc.

[daveliam]

DA 2 will always be my least favorite game in the series because they forced a human protagonist on me.  It would be like if TES created a new game and forced you to be Imperial.  You lose something in these games by not allowing people to play different races.  I understand that humans are the most common and dominant race in Thedas.  I also understand that they are the most popular race.  But there is a significant portion of the playerbase who enjoys playing different races.  To remove it and force you to be human ruins the experience for me.  It's why Hawke will never get out of the Fade in my playthroughs.  My rule in games like this is that more customization options is always better than less.

[Fearsome1]

Everyone loves choice but I'm starting to think the game would have been better if dwarves and qunari were left out. Reasons include the amount of time and effort that went into making them work especially due to issues like height in cutscenes, being arguably less popular than humans & elves, lack of relevance in the story, their questionable romance compatibility with the LI's (nicely handled in Sera's case though) etc. There's no way of knowing what the tradeoff for having them in the game was but I'm sure it would've added to my enjoyment of the game much more than playable dwarves and qunari did.

 

Thoughts?

 

When you prefer to be horribly wrong, you really go for the gusto!

[Ieldra]

I've played three different races so far, everything but qunari. I like my dwarf Inquisitor, but I wouldn't have missed the option greatly had it not been present. I will play a qunari once I've managed to make one I can bear to look at, and I expect it will have more impact than the dwarf because I'll play another mage.

So, as I see it, whether a race option feels worth it depends on how well you can integrate it into the themes of story, and the dwarves come off short-changed, unfortunately, since neither the theme "faith and gods" nor the theme "magic" resonates naturally with a dwarf. That there are no dwarf romance options doesn't help.

Still, I think it was worth it from a more general point of view: choice is important even if only very few people make use of any particular option. Even for those who end up playing humans or elves eventually, the knowledge that they could've chosen any of the four races is important and influences how the game feels. To include elves but exclude dwarves and qunari based on the reasoning "they don't fit the story" would've come across as wilful exclusion.

[MikeJW]

So it's okay to have the game the way you want it

but if other people suggest the game be the way they want that irks you?

 

There is a difference in that your way in this case infringes on someone elses choices and play style on the debatable belief it would make ths story "better." Let's turn the question around since I bet the OP really just like dwarves and qunari. Were humans and elves worth it? Would the OP be okay if they just focused on dwarves or qunari and made the game more focused on them.

 

Never have I seen more choice in a game seen as bad until I get to this forum. Forget just limiting races, lets make one class too so they can really focus the story.

[berelinde]

I loved my Cadash playthrough, and I've started another. So yes, definitely worth it!

[Sailfindragon]

As a human only player. I always pleased when there is a character/race choice, even if I personally never intend to use it. 

[SolNebula]

If you asked me this question some months ago I would say of course they are worth..the more choice the better.

 

However now I realized that more choice also means a more generic storyline to the point that the Inquisitor could be anyone. In my own view what makes playing as a certain race attractive is the possibility to roleplay and feel like that race supporting that specific group agenda.

Frankly speaking being a Qunari outside of the Qun is not enticing at all, if I play as a Qunari I would like to be part of that world and see it through the eyes of my protagonist as an accepted member of that society. Playing an outcast is not fun for me.

The same thing is true for the Dwarves....I don't like surface dwarves then don't feel dwarfy enough to have their own story and to justify why we are playing as dwarves.

The story should recognize what we are and offer a different perspective on it. In the end BW crafted the story in a way that it is your title of Inquisitor that determines what you are and how you are perceived and not your race (in some rare occasion it did but l think it's not enough).

 

In the end even if we play as a Qunari, Elfor Dwarf we don't feel any connection to our race because the story forces us to be part of an organization that dissolve your origins and make you a raceless figure like the Inquisitor. This makes chosing a race pointless.

 

I do understand BW is doing this for desing reasons but to be honest this would make chosing a race only a mere fan service rather than an enpowering choice.

 

In the end I prefer for BW to limit us on the protagonist choice so that we are going to roleplay  with a proper story supporting our race and background. I hope/dream one day of BW making games centered about specific protagonist. A game centered on dwarven perspective of Thedas, then elven one and finally a Qunari one.

 

I'm not sure I explained myself well, please forgive me as english is not my native language, I hope though that the main idea is clear.

[Dr. rotinaj]

Honestly I wouldn't be that bothered by their exclusion because I can't connect with them. They feel so detached from the game, apart from the occasional "hey I'm a dwarf/qunari" line. To me they feel pretty much interchangeable with humans. But my inability to connect with dwarf/qunari protagonists is a failing on my part. People have been asking for them since DAO and for the most part they're very happy about it. So I think it was absolutely worth it.

Of course in future instalments I want to see more focus and exclusive content for the dwarves and qunari. Since we're moving north, maybe we'll see that. Qunari are likely to be important, especially in Tevinter or Rivain, and Dorian claims that dwarves are everywhere in Tevinter.

[budzai]

No.
(BW wastes more and more resources to unimportant things...)

[Leo]

Yes! Dwarves and Qunari rock.