The moment you are talking about came before that, everyone gathered to attack him at the elven ruins.
that's why there wasnt a single inky soldier in the ruins?
honestly they could have gone back to skyhold while you did the ruins
so they were just standing around as you pwned the ruins
Remember those horses we got for the inquisition? That really important quest in the Hinterlands, that was supposed to make our army move faster etc. Yeah...that is what an army might use to "magically" appear here and there.
It does not matter how many horses you have. The horse would still not be fast enough to get you half way across a continent. Also the assumption is that everyone has a horse. Most foot soldiers would not have a horse. It would require a forced march on the foot soldiers part. The foot soldiers would basically be exhausted one from fighting in Arbor Wilds and secondly from the force march. The army would not make it in time.
The other point is that you can only push a horse for so long at top speed until you have to slow down (watering the horse) or the horse would refuse to continue or drop dead from exhaustion. Even a horse that is breed for endurance would not make it in time. The horse would not be fast enough.
A horse breed for speed like a race horse blows all of endurance in that mile and a quarter.
A well conditioned horse can only maintain a gallop for about 1 mile to 1 and half miles. A horse will be fatigued by the 2 to 2 and half mile mark.
I will give an example unlike the movies Pony Express riders did not run their horses at full gallop all the time. The Pony Express rider alternated between a trot (8-9 miles an hour) and a canter (10-17 miles per horse). The Pony Express rider changed horses every 10-15 miles.
The trot and canter also depended on the type of horse and what was being carried. If the horse was armored it moved slower. Also the horse had to be specifically breed to carry the armor. Those were usually medium weight (1000 to 1200 pounds) to heavy weight horses (1500 to 2000 pounds). The problem is that most of these horses lacked the speed and endurance of light horses (800-1000 pounds)
Light horses could only carry soldiers who were weighing light armor and carrying light weapons.
Unless Master Dennett is providing magical horses there is no way for the army to get there to fight with the Inquisitor.
It does not matter how many horses you have. The horse would still not be fast enough to get you half way across a continent. Also the assumption is that everyone has a horse. Most foot soldiers would not have a horse. It would require a forced march on the foot soldiers part. The foot soldiers would basically be exhausted one from fighting in Arbor Wilds and secondly from the force march. The army would not make it in time.
The other point is that you can only push a horse for so long at top speed until you have to slow down (watering the horse) or the horse would refuse to continue or drop dead from exhaustion. Even a horse that is breed for endurance would not make it in time. The horse would not be fast enough.
A horse breed for speed like a race horse blows all of endurance in that mile and a quarter.
A well conditioned horse can only maintain a gallop for about 1 mile to 1 and half miles. A horse will be fatigued by the 2 to 2 and half mile mark.
I will give an example unlike the movies Pony Express riders did not run their horses at full gallop all the time. The Pony Express rider alternated between a trot (8-9 miles an hour) and a canter (10-17 miles per horse). The Pony Express rider changed horses every 10-15 miles.
The trot and canter also depended on the type of horse and what was being carried. If the horse was armored it moved slower. Also the horse had to be specifically breed to carry the armor. Those were usually medium weight (1000 to 1200 pounds) to heavy weight horses (1500 to 2000 pounds). The problem is that most of these horses lacked the speed and endurance of light horses (800-1000 pounds)
Light horses could only carry soldiers who were weighing light armor and carrying light weapons.
Unless Master Dennett is providing magical horses there is no way for the army to get there to fight with the Inquisitor.
The soldiers never came into the ruins
they could have walked back home in the same amount of time as we did
what's the point of holding the wilds when we got what we came for and cory is left behind?
Seriously, this is not about if it makes sense wether your army is still at the arbor wilds or not. It`s about making up a sorry excuse for not showing your army at all.
The only time we get a proper hint of the inquisition`s army power is when you storm the grey warden`s stronghold and it`s EPIC! Why not make more of those scenes? We start getting frustrated in the 1st quest if you choose to make a fronta assault to the temple of sacred ashes, which should be very dangerous because of all the demons. Then there`s like 6 of them...
To be honest, the "they were in the wilds" excuse doesn't hold water either - once they knew Cory had left the area, Morrigan could have easily opened the eluvian again and used it to get the soldiers home instantly.... like it states the underground elvish army was doing under Brialla....
Why not make more of those scenes?
Well it is either because of poor writing or because of the fact that such an epic cut scene would cost a lot of resources. I'd probably say it is the resource thing and I am not really happy with how they were put to use. Instead of more epic and longer story (among other things I have to add), we got way too many large zones with lots of filler and a lackluster multiplayer.
The soldiers never came into the ruins
they could have walked back home in the same amount of time as we did
what's the point of holding the wilds when we got what we came for and cory is left behind?
That not how armies move. A small force will always outdistance and out run a larger force. Why do people think that most of the military forces have elite units? The Inquisitor and his companions are that elite unit.
An army keeps formation because that is the strength of the army. The only parts that move faster are cavalry. Cavalry never gets to far ahead of the foot soldiers because cavalry is susceptible to enemy soldiers that are dug in.
An army is going to scour the area to make sure no enemy forces are left behind or alive to attack the army from the rear as they leave. Yes the army is going to secure the area. Doing otherwise is ill advised especially if you leave enemies behind that can harass your army.
I honestly can't believe anyone would actually defend the last battle of this game.
I thought it's one of those things people all around unanimously agreed that it sucked big time.
Wow.
That not how armies move. A small force will always outdistance and out run a larger force. Why do people think that most of the military forces have elite units? The Inquisitor and his companions are that elite unit.
Well, I am not sure about this. You really think a noble's b*tch, writer/sharpshooter/merchant, mage son of a magister, elf hooligan and human noble would outdistance a professional army (in fact the 2nd best in Thedas after the Qunari I might add) or at least its most well trained core on a forced march? And don't tell me forced march for several days would be impossible, it has been done.
This is how it should have ended
You track down Cory near the southwest camp in Hinterlands, a big fight breaks out and then suddenly a great bear appears. Just when you think you are fending off the bear and Cory, two lyrium smugglers come out of nowhere, attacking both you and Cory, then another bear appears. Before you know it, Cory has three bears on him, who knock him down repeatedly...
Well, I am not sure about this. You really think a noble's b*tch, writer/sharpshooter/merchant, mage son of a magister, elf hooligan and human noble would outdistance a professional army (in fact the 2nd best in Thedas after the Qunari I might add) or at least its most well trained core on a forced march? And don't tell me forced march for several days would be impossible, it has been done.
That not how armies move. A small force will always outdistance and out run a larger force. Why do people think that most of the military forces have elite units? The Inquisitor and his companions are that elite unit.
An army keeps formation because that is the strength of the army. The only parts that move faster are cavalry. Cavalry never gets to far ahead of the foot soldiers because cavalry is susceptible to enemy soldiers that are dug in.
An army is going to scour the area to make sure no enemy forces are left behind or alive to attack the army from the rear as they leave. Yes the army is going to secure the area. Doing otherwise is ill advised especially if you leave enemies behind that can harass your army.
cory gets into temple? RETREAT
I MEAN FOR FUCKS SAKE
Cullen leilana who were on the battlefield micromanaging were back at skyhold not even winded
and cory lost his standifn forcing at haven and we cleaned them up easily
cory gets into temple? RETREAT
I MEAN FOR FUCKS SAKE
Cullen leilana who were on the battlefield micromanaging were back at skyhold not even winded
and cory lost his standifn forcing at haven and we cleaned them up easily
They should not have been back that was a lapse on Bioware's part. No victorious commander is going to have his army leave the field of battle without securing it and picking up their wounded or dead.
Well, I am not sure about this. You really think a noble's b*tch, writer/sharpshooter/merchant, mage son of a magister, elf hooligan and human noble would outdistance a professional army (in fact the 2nd best in Thedas after the Qunari I might add) or at least its most well trained core on a forced march? And don't tell me forced march for several days would be impossible, it has been done.
You mean an elite unit that is a 20th level plus has taken out dragons, wiped out a great deal of enemies in Thedas including demons and giants, closed rifts could not do so?
You mean a small force like where you could have a noble do not want to be king, a dwarven drunk, daughter of the witch of the wilds, and an assassin with a death wish?
The soldiers never came into the ruins
they could have walked back home in the same amount of time as we did
what's the point of holding the wilds when we got what we came for and cory is left behind?
Absolutely. They had the eluvian.
The army in Arbor Wilds had more than enough time to go back to Skyhold while I was terribly busy fighting dragons, claiming landmarks, running through haunted castle and helping every poor sob I met on the other side of the continent in god-forsaken deserts. Also Cullen saying we have nobody to send with me was a bit of a BS (and him and Leliana being here at all was BS as well, but that was already covered), I seem to recall I could call on like every bloody nation, noble or city-state in Thedas for help (minus Qunari because screw them), yet in the Arbor wilds it was only my standing army and Orlesian forces. Surely at least some force could be assembled back in Skyhold while I marched on the Arbor Wilds.
Seriously this is either lazy writing or something had to simply be cut off due to budget / time reasons.
The army in Arbor Wilds had more than enough time to go back to Skyhold while I was terribly busy fighting dragons, claiming landmarks, running through haunted castle and helping every poor sob I met on the other side of the continent in god-forsaken deserts. Also Cullen saying we have nobody to send with me was a bit of a BS (and him and Leliana being here at all was BS as well, but that was already covered), I seem to recall I could call on like every bloody nation, noble or city-state in Thedas for help (minus Qunari because screw them), yet in the Arbor wilds it was only my standing army and Orlesian forces. Surely at least some force could be assembled back in Skyhold while I marched on the Arbor Wilds.
Seriously this is either lazy writing or something had to simply be cut off due to budget / time reasons.
That is because all Dragon Age games (from DAO to DAI) have no sense of urgency. Many gamers like it that way. I wrote a great deal back on the DAO and DA2 forums that Bioware games lack urgency In DAO the party could roam all over doing crime wave quests, killing Gaxkang, or running errands for interested parties. The only one that had some semblance of urgency was DA2 to collect the 50 gold sovereigns and that was negated by the fact that someone else loans Hawke the money to do the expedition.
So that has been a trait though out DA games.
Huh? With didn't walk home. We teleported.
then why did leiana and cullen come back but the troops didnt?
Absolutely. They had the eluvian.
How long would it take an army of that sizeto travel through the eluvian?
You mean an elite unit that is a 20th level plus has taken out dragons, wiped out a great deal of enemies in Thedas including demons and giants, closed rifts could not do so?
You mean a small force like where you could have a noble do not want to be king, a dwarven drunk, daughter of the witch of the wilds, and an assassin with a death wish?
It is one thing taking out powerful enemies using magic, bombs, giant axes into the face or closing rifts with a glowing hand the Inquisitor came by by complete accident and something different is outrunning professionals trained to do such things, when I also have to carry with myself 5 different shields, one of them being giang cheese wheel, extra large spoon and a few bows because I have nowhere else to put them?
Ok, joking aside, game logic doesn't always have to make sense because otherwise games would be boring as hell. But something else is when you've got anticlimactic ending with some major oversights.
then why did leiana and cullen come back but the troops didnt?
As I stated that was a lapse on Bioware's part. They should not have come back.
that's why there wasnt a single inky soldier in the ruins?
honestly they could have gone back to skyhold while you did the ruins
so they were just standing around as you pwned the ruins
Because that's how an army fights.
They just leave break off from fighting and leave while their operatives are somewhere else.
Did you actually think about what you typed before you hit the submit button?
Did you miss that quest where we got horses for our army?
I'm not sure what kind of horses you've seen that are able to carry thousands of troops halfway across a continent faster than a thousand-year-old wizard, but okay.
That is because all Dragon Age games (from DAO to DAI) have no sense of urgency. Many gamers like it that way. I wrote a great deal back on the DAO and DA2 forums that Bioware games lack urgency In DAO the party could roam all over doing crime wave quests, killing Gaxkang, or running errands for interested parties. The only one that had some semblance of urgency was DA2 to collect the 50 gold sovereigns and that was negated by the fact that someone else loans Hawke the money to do the expedition.
So that has been a trait though out DA games.
Yeah, you are right, but at least in DAO you've got the last 2 missions (Redcliffe and Denerim) bundled up together, so once you assembled your armies, there was no going back. Would make more sense then if Arbor Wilds and Doom Upon all the World were bundled together as well.
ME2 handled this pretty well imo with the Omega 4 relay (although it was a bit inconvenient with Legion).
By "epic battle" do you mean tha part in the arbor wilds with a handful of inquisition soldiers trickled along a forest path? So breathtaking...I mean I liked the cinematic well enough, but it felt like they were sending a handful of people out to scout or do something small. Where's the awesome large scale battle where you get the impression of a real army? I expected something like
*snip*
When did I ever claim that the battle at the Arbor Wilds was epic? Maybe everyone who has quoted me ought to go back and reread my posts?
And at those who pointed out that you had up to 50 units each to use in DA:O, well, I still didn't find it terribly impressive. Why? Because I don't recall being able to call out all 50 in each group at once; therefore, having a couple of them to use at a time did not really make it feel like I was fighting a particularly epic battle with hundreds of people at my disposal. Or maybe I'm misremembering that? Maybe I missed seeing all 50 of them (from a single group) out at once??? Again, it was fun to those forces available for use, but it didn't scream "epic" anything to me.
If I wanted "epic" battles, I'd go play an actual strategy/war game like Shogun 2 where, you know, I'd have actual armies with a bazillion tiny little samurai and assorted other units to play with.
EDIT: Thanks to Jeffry for the clarification on how many troops you can see at once in DA:O - apparently, you can see up to 50 of them at a time - you just aren't necessarily likely to see it depending on the conditions. For whatever reason, it didn't particularly feel like a huge battle to me. And maybe that is because what I consider "epic" is influenced by having played actual war games/strategy games (if I see all my troops at once - and a very large number of them, then yeah, that would qualify).
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