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[line_genrou]

In Witch Hunt Morrigan ends up telling that she's going to prepare her son for what is to come, that change is coming to this world etc etc

The kid was meant for great things.

Was this all scrapped in DA:I?

If the OGB exists Flemeth removes his old god part (?? what was it really that she removed?) and he becomes a normal child. I thought something huge was going to happen to this child in the future. I didn't know his old god soul was removable...

 

So many questions with no answers.

But what was going to be the role of the OGB in the future? Before DA:I I thought he was meant to be a God or some sort of great leader when the change in the world took place.

[wiccame]

I'm guessing nothing as

Spoiler

the old god soul is removed and is now in the hands of Flemeth/Mythal/fen'Harel. so what ever is in store will come from one of them

[MisterJB]

I know! So disappointed.

[X Equestris]

The soul is what really matters. Flemeth takes it, and Solas may have it now. Any special role will likely be filled by whoever has the soul now.

[Ieldra]

(1) They couldn't make an optional element plot-critical.

(2) They wouldn't make an element that made many people uncomfortable plot-critical in a good way.

 

So yeah, I'm disappointed, but I can live with the nullification, because it's almost a certainty that I would've hated any alternative. Bioware doesn't write controversy any more without resolving it in a conformist way. Which is, btw, what happened here. I'm only ok with it because it could've been worse.

[Dr. rotinaj]

It's not the B that is important, it's the OG. Before DAI, they were the same thing an whatever purpose the soul was needed to fulfill would be fulfilled by Kieran. Now, what happens to the soul is a part of Mythal/Fen'Harel's plan.

[katerinafm]

Just be glad it didn't happen off screen.

[Aren]

In Witch Hunt Morrigan ends up telling that she's going to prepare her son for what is to come, that change is coming to this world etc etc

The kid was meant for great things.

Was this all scrapped in DA:I?

If the OGB exists Flemeth removes his old god part (?? what was it really that she removed?) and he becomes a normal child. I thought something huge was going to happen to this child in the future. I didn't know his old god soul was removable...

 

So many questions with no answers.

But what was going to be the role of the OGB in the future? Before DA:I I thought he was meant to be a God or some sort of great leader when the change in the world took place.

 Non mandatory events such as the Dark ritual cannot have an huge impact. 

[Antergaton]

This is to show that they don't plan out these things are long story ideas. What was a key point for Morrigan and potentially The Warden's story is just a passing moment in DA:I, it is like this because it's optional. You do it or you don't. A lot of decisions in DA:I are options of Yes or No, the next game could just 10 years with many endings resolved. Keiran then 20, Connor 30, Feynriel 35. All perfect timing to be involved in a story but for the decisions made changed/ready for a new storyline. If they are alive.

 

I mean, they wouldn't base an entire plot on the soul because for some people's games it didn't happen, so therefore would make no sense.

[NM_Che56]

Not all threads from previous games were meant to be tied in DA:I...

[VoidOfOne]

I kind of like it, actually.

 

It is basically saying that even Morrigan, with all her knowledge and intelligence, can't control destiny as much as she desires to. Things happen in this world, and one person alone is limited to what she can predict and achieve.

 

Besides, she once said that the child was simply a means to an end, and it becomes obvious that Kieran has become much more to her than that.

 

It is disappointing that we won't know how the Old God soul will affect the boy, at least internally. But I feel that happens with storytelling, where perceived fates can change.

 

I'm not saying this is an example of good or great storytelling. But I still like it.

 

Edit: Noticed a grammar error... Never did well in English.

[zambingo]

I love Morrigan's mommy evolution, just wish you could have a female warden who died but Morrigan still gets to be a mom. The only way with a female warden is OGB. Years ago many of us thought maybe the baby could exist even without the warden or Alistair, because of Riordan and Morrigan both having unaccounted for time if you ****** her off and she leaves the party. I wish the Keep had that option... human child with Riordan. Could have been a neat way to show Morrigan's determination but also that some key part for the dark ritual gets fubared in her haste to adopt Plan C.

[Joseph Warrick]

Why is this soul so important anyways? I let Morrigan rape Alistair simply to save our skin. Not because I thought the soul was important. I figured if it caused problems in the future we would just kill it again, having some other warden we don't care about deal the killing blow if possible.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Yes but does Solas have it or did Flemeth send it through the Eluvian? If she sent it through then, did she put the soul back then, could it still be alive and, thus come to inhabit another dragon, be found by darkspawn, corrupted and, start another Blight? Could there be 8 Blights now instead of 7?

 

IF, and that's a big if, the old gods and Elven gods are one and the same, then are Flemeth Solas the only two that have not started a blight and will not do so thus, they need the soul of the OGB to trigger another blight if they need to use one to nudge history again?

[Elsariel]

Why is this soul so important anyways? I let Morrigan rape Alistair simply to save our skin. Not because I thought the soul was important. I figured if it caused problems in the future we would just kill it again, having some other warden we don't care about deal the killing blow if possible.

Oh good grief. Morrigan did not rape Alistair. Just no.

[Joseph Warrick]

Oh good grief. Morrigan did not rape Alistair. Just no.

Ok but why is the soul so important? Other 4 were destroyed before with no fuss.

[X Equestris]

Ok but why is the soul so important? Other 4 were destroyed before with no fuss.

Because those Wardens weren't given an alternative. Some of Solas's dialogue implies that killing all of the Old Gods would be a bad idea.

[highcastle]

Welcome to the differences between media with branching narratives and ones with a single story arc. If the DA franchise were confined to novels or movies or even linear action/adventure games, the OGB likely would have developed into something with much more significance. But because his existence depends on choices the player has made, his impact in the story has to be relegated to something relatively inconsequential. There's something rather ironic in the fact that more choices lead to less freedom on the devs' part to craft a story along traditional paths.

 

That's one of the unique hurdles RPGs face. On one hand, players want to feel like they're affecting the world in a meaningful way. On the other, there are only so many branches the story can take moving forward before it becomes a logistical nightmare to code and create. People have complained recently about DA2 and DAI feeling more limited in the choices you can make, but if you think about it, by restricting the outcome of the story, there's a slightly greater chance that the choices and actions you do get to make will have a deeper impact later on.

[MACharlie1]

It might be the difference between an intelligent spirit and a spirit whose slow (i.e. Sandal) 

[Ash Wind]

Well, you knew it couldn't be overly important because its an option. Still, to mean this little is annoying, though I am sensing a trend. Dark Ritual, seemed important at the time, much debated and talked over by advocates of both sides... impotent ending. Mage v. Templars, seemed important at the time, much debated and talked over by advocates of both sides... impotent ending.

 

I like DAI, and DA in general, but the stories and the lore are becoming somewhat trivialities. Solas is the new flavor of the month, but if his story has a similar ending to the Dark Ritual and Mages v. Templars, there will be a build up, there will be debate, and then it will have a clean and not so interesting ending.

[l7986]

Because some people may have not had an OGB with Morrigan they decided to neuter the story. God forbid people make a decision that others might not make and have something meaningful come of it.

[Aren]

Because those Wardens weren't given an alternative. Some of Solas's dialogue implies that killing all of the Old Gods would be a bad idea.

Are really the Grey wardens so stupids? IN thousand of years they have never found a way to kill archdemon without sacrifices?

Disciples.

[X Equestris]

Are really the Grey wardens so stupids? IN thousand of years they have never found a way to kill archdemon without sacrifices? Thats pretty simple, a solution is to use a disciple of the Darkspawn to take the final blow.They have studied the darkspawn for millenia and they dont even know that their own blood can awake a darkspawn, Grey wardens order of morons  .....(Anyway there is always a loghain for this.)
 
DO not belive in Solas he want the power of he old gods for himself probly he one of beauty now is in his hands.

Point one: the Wardens have only been around for about a thousand years, not millennia. Second, Disciples didn't even exist until recently. Three, in the Order's mind, why fix what isn't broken? They have no reason to try to save something that is trying to destroy the world, and they already know how to stop it. Fourth, why would a Warden think "Hey, let's feed Darkspawn our blood and see what happens."?

[Cratto]

I was disappointed by the OGB resolution too!

 

Are really the Grey wardens so stupids? IN thousand of years they have never found a way to kill archdemon without sacrifices? Thats pretty simple, a solution is to use a disciple of the Darkspawn to take the final blow.They have studied the darkspawn for millenia and they dont even know that their own blood can awake a darkspawn, Grey wardens order of morons  .....(Anyway there is always a loghain for this.)

 

DO not belive in Solas he want the power of he old gods for himself probly the one of beauty now is in his hands.

 

The ritual might be ancient elvish in origin and much of their knowledge and wisdom was lost before the rise of the blights and the Grey Wardens. Flemeth would know about it as would Solas but would they want to tell everyone about it. Morrigan is rebelling against Flemeth so may have done it on her own initiative or Flemeth may have let this information slip as she needed the old god soul for her own purposes.

[l7986]

Oh good grief. Morrigan did not rape Alistair. Just no.

Forcing someone to have sex with someone else against their will is rape. It doesn't morph into something else just because its a guy that is the one being forced into the situation. Had Morrigan been a man and we had to pressure a woman to sleep with him so she could get pregnant BSN would have melted down so hard its not even funny.