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[JWvonGoethe]

I'm still of the belief that what they should have done is this:

In this alternate version, Flemeth would have required one of two things to keep herself alive. Option 1: possess Morrigan's body and take it as her own. Option 2: use the soul of an old God to rejuvenate herself, which would have been her way of offering Morrigan a way out of being possessed.

People who didn't do the dark ritual would have Morrigan die in Inquisition as Flemeth takes over her daughter's body. That would make sense from the perspective of keeping the fanbase more or less happy, since most people who refused the dark ritual probably weren't friendly enough with Morrigan to trust her and therefore wouldn't miss her as much if she died. While players who considered Morrigan a friend and trusted her with the dark ritual would be rewarded by having her survive the events of Inquisition.

This would have meant it would still be a huge decision, but it would have taken a much more personal tone rather than having Thedas-shattering consequences. I don't think the writers could ever deliver on the world-changing potential of the OGB when working within the confines of a videogame. I think they ultimately went for trying to make it personal, but it fell flat because there were no real major consequences (though to be fair I did think the cutscene in the Fade had some heartfelt moments between Morrigan and her supposed mother). Although, who knows, maybe they have something bigger planned out for the decision in the future?

The thing is, this theory would have worked with the whole Mythal thing. In a world where there was no OGB, the soul of Mythal goes from Flemeth's dying body into Morrigan's body and possesses her. Flemeth's old body is dead, Morrigan's mind is gone, but Mythal lives on in Morrigan.

It's also consistent with the lore we learn about in Inquisition regarding Corypheus. If the DR was performed, then Flemeth drinks some darkspawn blood and magically lures the soul of the old God from Kieran into her dying body in order to be rejuvenated, similar to what Corypheus's soul does to blighted creatures when he becomes them.

[robertthebard]

I agree that canonizing the DR would've been undesirable, as much as I'd have liked it personally, but I don't agree that would've been necessary to make the DR relevant. I would've been perfectly fine with a large sidequest only available to those who did the DR, while the others got a different sidequest instead. A story whose protagonist I play, rather than only read about, loses its impact if all decisions are flavor decisions to define my character, and never have any significant in-world consequences.

Except that that will then snowball.  Well, he was important here, on this side quest, and then he'll have to be important on another side quest, and then he'll end up with a fanbase screaming he needs to be the protagonist.  This isn't hyperbolic either, as we've already had the assertion that the OGB would be the protagonist for Inquisition.  He did show up as a side "quest" in Inquisition, and here we are discussing how he should have shown up in one.  Isn't there a "moment" with Morrigan, Kieran and Flemeth in the Fade, or maybe the cross roads, I don't know, as Morrigan doesn't have a child at all in my PTs.

[Secret Rare]

Indeed, I thought so. It's my main complaint with the way the DR and its consequences were handled. Kieran with a god-soul would've been infinitely more interesting.

According to your personal standards.
Not everyone equate being interesting into being more powerful.
Ogb Kieran was to me a shallow character, nothing more than a shell compared to the other version which was his true self.
 

Its just that it makes the whole decision so much easier.

Why sacrifice when you can have sex and live?

The DR has no factual negative consequences so what?
Am i supposed to abide to something whom i find disturbing and that go against my belief just because sex is involved?
For all that matters the Loghain redemption arch as well as the normal child are far more appealing to me than this blood magic crap since i despise the old gods of Tevinter,the character of Morrigan and the dark ritual pretty much all three of them

[Donquijote and 59 others]

 

 

My canon Warden didn't refuse the DR due to any real distrust of Morrigan, but because once she learned what would happen if she took the killing blow, she decided that that was her "out". 

Beautiful warden! but mine was completly different

I did the US because i wanted the archdemon soul for me,it was greed that killed my dwarf warden!

i'm the only one who deserve godhood before of his death not that stupid kid or Morrigan,they are too stupid to become gods...

[Secret Rare]

 in the words of another poster, have sex and live.  No thanks, it's not like she was even going to be the one having sex, 

It seems everyone assumes that we played only with male wardens but even then(i have one male noble prince) for all that matters i rejected the ritual the same since i see no appealing in being a Morrigan obedient tool with none of my wardens.

[German Soldier]

On Morrigan and her ritual i agree with Dean post
Arrogant, emotionally immature, and comically inept at meaningful socialization, all while trying to sell herself as a master of secret truths when in truth she's just dangling and regurgitating what Flemeth left her.

Plus, her stated agenda of preserving the past is undermined by the fact that she hordes secrets rather than share knowledge, despite expecting others to take great risk for her benefit.

[Ieldra]

Not everyone equate being interesting into being more powerful.

More powerful is an accidental side effect, and we can't be sure he'd even been that. The point is OGB Kieran would've been *unusual*. Story material for a fantasy story, in other words.
 

The DR has no factual negative consequences so what?
Am i supposed to abide to something whom i find disturbing and that go against my belief just because sex is involved?
For all that matters the Loghain redemption arch as well as the normal child are far more appealing to me than this blood magic crap since i despise the old gods of Tevinter,the character of Morrigan and the dark ritual pretty much all three of them

Yeah, sure, so you got the non-DR version and would've gotten that with my other proposed scenario as well. What would it matter to you if those who find OGB-Kieren an interesting idea had gotten some more interesting story than "make him normal and forget him"?

[Reznore57]

It would have been difficult to make something interesting with the OGB beyond what we got , a scene rather down to earth (if you forget the fade , Mythal , and the OG soul) between  two mothers.It's mostly emotional probably to cover up the fact , Urthemiel storyline goes nowhere.By the end of DAI we still don't know what an Old God is , why Flemeth wanted one , it's a bit of a pain in the rear because those are the questions raised at the end of DAO.

And Morrigan 's motivations are basically "Well I've done it because Lol I didn't have anything else better to do with my life."

 

Although it sounds like I'm complaining when I played the game , the emotional scene between Flemeth and Morrigan worked 100% for me , and the idea of a godly kid always horrified me so all ended well.

 

Anyway I do wish they did something with Urthemiel's soul , I can understand why they tried to discreetly hide it under the magical carpet.

The number of players having access to that storyline is limited , it requires players who did the DR in DAO and used the DA Keep to record the event , new players and those who refused the DR have no Urthemiel in their storyline.

Urthemiel and what it represents in the DA universe is important , it's an Old God ,one of the most mysterious thing in Thedas and also a GOD.Oh also deeply tied to the Blight.

Mythal and Fen Harel , gods who were "introduced" in DAI both got a fair treatment , a reveal about the Old Gods can wait until we get to Tevinter , and with a plot or sub plot every player can have access to.

[Secret Rare]

 Morrigan 's motivations are basically "Well I've done it because Lol I didn't have anything else better to do with my life."

 

 

 

 it's an Old God ,one of the most mysterious thing in Thedas and also a GOD.Oh also deeply tied to the Blight.

 

That's why i found her inner character to be rather shallow beyond her  bitchy exterior ,she has no real motivation or purpose beyond what Flemeth told her to do in DAO

 

 

I do not agree on the second statement,Solas himself said that in order to consider an old god as a true god (same for the Evanuris) you have to extend the definition of the word god to the point of ridiculous,they can die,they are imperfect because they can be tainted and as such they are not gods.

 

 What would it matter to you if those who find OGB-Kieren an interesting idea had gotten some more interesting story than "make him normal and forget him"?

 

Players who have an OGB in their world state are not entitled to have revealed more lore in their worldstate just because they have an OGB in their game,implement Kieran OGB into a meaningful quest would have resulted inevitably into a greater revelation of lore and an unfairness between players.

They already did enough of a damage with the OGB since they allowed the players who had it to have exclusive revelations about Titans,elves,Qunari,dwarves and even on the nature of the old gods themselves since no one expected that their soul could have been absorbed by an Evanuris.

The OGb should have remained off-screen and not even implemented in DAI.

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[Ieldra]

They already did enough of a damage with the OGB since they allowed the players who had it to have exclusive revelations about Titans,elves,Qunari,dwarves and even on the nature of the old gods themselves since no one expected that their soul could have been absorbed by an Evanuris.

I am unaware of any exclusive revelations. Everything we get about the god-soul we get from Flemeth, and we get that regardless of Kieran's presence. Also, I am unaware of *any* significant revelations about the Titans, dwarves or qunari in that part of the story. The Descent has the relevant lore about dwarves and some about the Titans, Trespasser adds to the latter, and the qunari are still as mysterious as ever.

[Almostfaceman]

According to your personal standards.
Not everyone equate being interesting into being more powerful.
 

 

Ieldra never claims their preference is some universal truth, so it wasn't necessary to make this point. 

[Secret Rare]

I am unaware of any exclusive revelations. Everything we get about the god-soul we get from Flemeth, and we get that regardless of Kieran's presence. Also, I am unaware of *any* significant revelations about the Titans, dwarves or qunari in that part of the story. The Descent has the relevant lore about dwarves and some about the Titans, Trespasser adds to the latter, and the qunari are still as mysterious as ever.

No?

Speak to the OGB to know that dwarves can't be taller without titans,Qunari blood does not belongs to qunari,that old god souls can be absorbed by Evanuris,that they can manipulate eluvians to enter physically into the fade,that people fear the next stage and so on and so forth.

That they are not meaningful because they do not derail the story  does not disqualify anything,DR runners shouldn't be  entitled to any additional revelation or any additional walk into secret places of the the fade near that Dirthamen statues just because of a choice they made in a game 6 years ago.

 

Ieldra never claims their preference is some universal truth, so it wasn't necessary to make this point. 

Well when someone say that a person is infinitely more interesting so long as it is as they desire while it is to forget like a junk afterwards that's to me a form of disrespect.