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[leaguer of one]

Ok but why is the soul so important? Other 4 were destroyed before with no fuss.

It's an old god soul... How is that not important?

[leaguer of one]

Forcing someone to have sex with someone else against their will is rape. It doesn't morph into something else just because its a guy that is the one being forced into the situation. Had Morrigan been a man and we had to pressure a woman to sleep with him so she could get pregnant BSN would have melted down so hard its not even funny.

You have no idea what forcing is. The warden convinces him to and that's it.  It's not rape and that's final.

[rapscallioness]

It makes me sad, tbh. But he seemed happy about whatever it was that happened. So, as long as he's happy about it, then I'm happy for him.

 

That said, I don;t think he'll ever be your average kid. There's gotta be some kinda residual there.

[Bfler]

Well, you knew it couldn't be overly important because its an option.

It could be important. The decision in Origins results in either an OGB or no OGB. That's similar to ME. Your desicions in ME2 determine e.g. if peace between Quarians and Geth is possible in ME3.

Two examples:
In the current Inquisition we can only decide between mages or templars. The OGB could be the element, which allows peace between both. Something like a messiah.
Or the OGB could be the one, who allows the Inquisitor to survive the fight with Corypheus. Without the OGB the Inquisitor dies, but with the OGB you have the choice to sacrifice either the Inquisitor or the OGB.

[Aren]

I was disappointed by the OGB resolution too!

 

 

The ritual might be ancient elvish in origin and much of their knowledge and wisdom was lost before the rise of the blights and the Grey Wardens. Flemeth would know about it as would Solas but would they want to tell everyone about it. Morrigan is rebelling against Flemeth so may have done it on her own initiative or Flemeth may have let this information slip as she needed the old god soul for her own purposes.

the ritual is a creation of the Architect is not an old magic simply because the Architect unlike Corypheus have forgot all of his ancient knowledge . 1000 years and they have never find a solution because of their secrecy.

[Blade_RJ]

In Witch Hunt Morrigan ends up telling that she's going to prepare her son for what is to come, that change is coming to this world etc etc

The kid was meant for great things.

Was this all scrapped in DA:I?

If the OGB exists Flemeth removes his old god part (?? what was it really that she removed?) and he becomes a normal child. I thought something huge was going to happen to this child in the future. I didn't know his old god soul was removable...

 

So many questions with no answers.

But what was going to be the role of the OGB in the future? Before DA:I I thought he was meant to be a God or some sort of great leader when the change in the world took place.

You are the one who think he is meant for great things with ogb, morrigan still prepares him the first thing you hear her tell him is go back to your studies, i doubt it was math ! morrigan is the inheritor, so kieran still has a part to play, just wihout ogb and not world changing

[Mirth]

Solas still does the "thing" with Flemeth even if the old God soul / via morrigan isn't in her. (My version warden dies, no dark ritual) Does that mean he took mythral?
Is Flemeth dead?

[X Equestris]

Solas still does the "thing" with Flemeth even if the old God soul / via morrigan isn't in her. (My version warden dies, no dark ritual) Does that mean he took mythral?
Is Flemeth dead?

No one really seems to know for sure what happened. He may have. We see Flemeth put something into the Eluvian at the start of the scene, so it's possible she isn't dead.

[Elsariel]

Forcing someone to have sex with someone else against their will is rape. It doesn't morph into something else just because its a guy that is the one being forced into the situation. Had Morrigan been a man and we had to pressure a woman to sleep with him so she could get pregnant BSN would have melted down so hard its not even funny.

Alistair was not forced. It's not rape. He volunteered. You're right that if it were reversed there would have been outcry but it still wouldn't count as rape.

[Elsariel]

Double post.

[Jaron Oberyn]

I never understand why people get upset when their speculation doesn't become fact, or a storyteller doesn't divulge every single mystery at once. 

[Knight of Dane]

I knew Bioware was going to sweep it under the carpet like that, and I'm glad they did. Now we can move on from that dead discussion.

[Mocksie]

(1) They couldn't make an optional element plot-critical.

 

 

 

This. I'm betting the old god soul thing will just kinda go away now, which is too bad.

 

I was really hoping for some repercussions for it, since it seems reasonable to pay a price in later games for saving everyone in DA:O. Alas, it seems like Bioware was just trying to scramble away from the OGB because of its optional status.

[Ash Wind]

Because some people may have not had an OGB with Morrigan they decided to neuter the story. God forbid people make a decision that others might not make and have something meaningful come of it.

Hehehehe Awesome. I love idiotic posts.

 

I don't know which is more delightful....

 

The complete and utter irony of you're post.... or the fact that you are sooooo completely IGNORANT of the irony of your post

 

its hard to decide... but is humorous none the less.

 

You may not have choosen the DR, sooooo every one must abide by your choice, because its the only valid choice... all others must be 'neutered' as you say because god forbid someone choose other than you did.... seriously... do us all a favor and the next time you press POST, spend 3 or 4 nanoseconds before you embarass yourself....

 

You remind me of the 1% of those who performed the Ultimate Sacrifice, and decree that is the only way... and the only way that should be recognized....

 

They (EA) offered choice which.... was sad to the ignorant... but nonetheless, it was A CHOICE, and while it should NOT have been a world altering issue, it desrved more than to be a moronic and atrociously WEAKLY neutured storyline whose completion appears to have been made up on the fly. Like most "important" choices in DA come, it ends up to be less  than nothing,,, I.E. the Mage V. Tempar conflict... impotent, meaningless, and set up only to enthrall without real thought to its outcome.

 

Delude yourselves into thinking the Solas, flavor of the month, will be handled any differently... it won't, it will be as meaningless and sanitized as the Dark Ritual and the Mages v. Tempars... weak, clean, stupid, and uninteresting.

 

#goawayandstopwasting people'stime

[Knight of Dane]

Hehehehe Awesome. I love idiotic posts.

 

I don't knonw which is more delightful....

 

The complete and utter irony of you're post.... or the fact that you are sooooo completely IGNORANT of the irony of your post

 

its hard to decide... but is humorous none the less.

 

You may not have choosen the DR, sooooo every one must abide by your choice, because its the only valid choice... all others must be 'neutered' as you say because god forbid someone choose other than you did.... seriously... do us all a favor and the next time you press POST, spend 3 or 4 nanoseconds before you embarass yourself....

 

You remind me of the 1% of those who performed the Ultimate Sacrifice, and decree that is the only way... and the only way that should be recognized....

 

The offered a choice, and while it should NOT have been world state altering, it should have more impact than to be sanitized because the current writers lack the interest or talent to bring it to a subsequent conclusion.

 

#goawayandstopwasting people'stime

 

This is incredibly ironic

[ForgottenWarrior]

That's how "save import" kills potentially good story outcomes. Because they all can happen at the same time, they all are being treated equally - equally bad.

[Ash Wind]

This is incredibly ironic

Irony...

 

it has a way of being....

 

so ironic.

[In Exile]

Are really the Grey wardens so stupids? IN thousand of years they have never found a way to kill archdemon without sacrifices? Thats pretty simple, a solution is to use a disciple of the Darkspawn to take the final blow.They have studied the darkspawn for millenia and they dont even know that their own blood can awake a darkspawn, Grey wardens order of morons .....(Anyway there is always a loghain for this.)

DO not belive in Solas he want the power of he old gods for himself probly the one of beauty now is in his hands.

The Wardens are definetly idiots. Their gameplan for Corypheus was "leave him there and hope for the best". Every generation they did the same thing and just crossed their fingers it would keep working as well.

Everything that went wrong in a DA game can be traced to a stupid decision made by a leading GW.

[BackdoorPaco]

Irony...

 

it has a way of being....

 

so ironic.

Spoiler

[Ieldra]

The Wardens are definetly idiots. Their gameplan for Corypheus was "leave him there and hope for the best". Every generation they did the same thing and just crossed their fingers it would keep working as well.

Everything that went wrong in a DA game can be traced to a stupid decision made by a leading GW.

Sounds like normal human behaviour. Can't solve a problem now, contain it and wait, hoping that someone will find a better solution. Then it *is* contained, the problem loses urgency in people's minds and they stop trying to find a solution and make themselves comfortable with the status quo, until some day, the problem escapes its containment and explodes in everyone's faces. On a smaller scale, you can see this every day in RL.

[Ski Mask Wei]

I'm just wondering what was so dark about the ritual?  Everything seems to work out fine.  When I first played DA:O the last thing I wanted was psychos like Morrigan and Flemeth to raise my god seed.  Now the kid is normal and Flemeth and Morrigan are good.  Poor Alistair died for nothing.    

[Fredward]

All just part of Morrigan being the most badass curator ever.

[justafan]

It could be important. The decision in Origins results in either an OGB or no OGB. That's similar to ME. Your desicions in ME2 determine e.g. if peace between Quarians and Geth is possible in ME3.

Two examples:
In the current Inquisition we can only decide between mages or templars. The OGB could be the element, which allows peace between both. Something like a messiah.
Or the OGB could be the one, who allows the Inquisitor to survive the fight with Corypheus. Without the OGB the Inquisitor dies, but with the OGB you have the choice to sacrifice either the Inquisitor or the OGB.

 

I'm guessing that at one point or another, the player character is going to need the soul of a "god" for plot reasons.  Having done the dark ritual will mean that you have the OG soul to use, without it, you will probably have to fight or sacrifice a recurring character, most likely the Dread Wolf or Mythal.  It won't radically change the game, but will be of enough consequence that you feel the game changed from your choice (like Geth/Quarian conflict).

[Ieldra]

I'm just wondering what was so dark about the ritual?  Everything seems to work out fine.  When I first played DA:O the last thing I wanted was psychos like Morrigan and Flemeth to raise my god seed.  Now the kid is normal and Flemeth and Morrigan are good.  Poor Alistair died for nothing.    

It was dark because it had an unknown outcome, and appeared somewhat fishy to an unbiased observer. It also had the potential to end badly for the child, in spite of Morrigan's reassurances, which made it potentially evil. That nothing bad came of it does not invalidate the impression it made at the time you were asked to enact it.

[Ash Wind]

It was dark because it had an unknown outcome, and appeared somewhat fishy to an unbiased observer. It also had the potential to end badly for the child, in spite of Morrigan's reassurances, which made it potentially evil. That nothing bad came of it does not invalidate the impression it made at the time you were asked to enact it.

This...

 

the potential of the HOF selling out his/her self  in order to save themselves and yet defeat the blight. It deserved the idea that maybe its consequence would have been dark and sisnister.

 

Whatever the original intent, its clear that was changed Sadly, DA suffers from a number of re-directs... DAO.... oh no, we have to create a sheperd clone in DA2 and take it in a different direction... oh no, the sheperd clone was not well-received, so lets try a half haearted attempt at a new character, blah blah blah....

 

Everyone who repeates the LIE 'DA was never about 1 character...." does just that... read Brent Knowles( Lead for most of DAO) blog where he talks about DA2's pre-production, and the great debate whether or not to bring the warden back.... *gasp* if DA was never about 1 character, there NEVER would have been a debate about whether or not to bring the Warden back... #liesdismissed

 

Sadly a number of DA storylines have had so much potential, only to be watered-down and sanitized with a weak, stupid ending... Solas story will be no different.... he will meet the same sanitized, stupid, disinterested ending... so don't get all worked up, i.e. Dark Ritual, meant nothing... Mages v. Templars meant nothing. Yawn