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[Saphiron123]

Don't get me wrong, I prefer dragon age to the witcher 10:1... but with all the fetch quests, the partial move away from cinematics, the low gore, low tragedy stylings of inquisition, are we in a spot where we have to look elsewhere for dragon age style storytelling?

Hard decisions, mature themes (outside of sexuality, of course, which DAI does a good job with), tragedy and gravity, DAI took a step back and got a lot more sanitary, and a lot less immediate and dangerous, I suppose.

World ending? Let's put flowers on a grave for a guy in redcliff whose too lazy to walk.

The rifts were there... but did they really change and endanger the world for the most part? If so, I didn't really see it. Time was never pressing, lives were never in the balance.

Except for the one, really good, tough choice we had to make... and you all know what that was. We need more of that, we need some serious story DLC that explores dragon age type themes like betrayal, the impact of the war, and the emotional consequences for our friends.

We're not there yet, too much empty wilderness, too many quests from discarded notes on the ground, and bosses we don't even realize are bosses until we notice they're taking too long to die... hoping for some A+ DLC to put the witcher where it belongs, in second place.

[Vader20]

Pillars of Eternity might also be a good game to check once it gets out... My only complaint is that it looks like it's 15 years old.I understand the need to do an old school RPG but the BG style isometric view is outdated. It's 2015.. what the hell. But I will check it out for it's story because Obsidian are good at that making great stories.

 

The Witcher series is meh for me. I know that it has a great a storyline but for some odd reason, I cannot get myself to like that franchise. but I'm sure that others are enjoying it.

 

As for DAI, I agree with you said entirely. If I were to characterize the game in sentence, I'd say that: Good ideas with bad design decisions. I really really hope that the DLC will redeem this game because it would be a real shame for those 4 years of development.

[VahnXIII]

Pillars of Eternity might also be a good game to check once it gets out... My only complaint is that it looks like it's 15 years old.I understand the need to do an old school RPG but the BG style isometric view is outdated. It's 2015.. what the hell. But I will check it out for it's story because Obsidian are good at that making great stories.

 

The Witcher series is meh for me. I know that it has a great a storyline but for some odd reason, I cannot get myself to like that franchise. but I'm sure that others are enjoying it.

 

As for DAI, I agree with you said entirely. If I were to characterize the game in sentence, I'd say that: Good ideas with bad design decisions. I really really hope that the DLC will redeem this game because it would be a real shame for those 4 years of development.

I actually like the way isometric RPG's are making a small comeback in a very niche way. Divinity Original Sin is a good testament to the fact the "old school RPGamers" are still alive and kicking. I believe it launched shortly after Bioware released an article claiming isometric/strategy type of RPG's are dead (too lazy to dig for the article). DOS disproved that I think. Shoot, it won Gamestop's PC game of the year! Pillars of Eternity is another title that is looking good and I think it will have its cult following just like other isometric RPG's that are available on Steam and other places. 

 

My point is this, as games are becoming more cinematic and requiring a mountain of resources to develop, there is always going to be that crowd that enjoys old-school RPG's with less-than-spectacular graphics but contain believable worlds and well written characters. 

 

To the OP: there are games that are packed with darker content and dire tragedies to resolve, but you have to keep an open mind and do a little searching for those gems.

[atlantico]

The lead writer of this game considers character deaths to be a triviality, easily remedied by retconning, so I wouldn't hold my breath for "tough" decisions. 

 

No decision you make is final, even when you decide to kill someone. So sayeth the lead writer.

[wickerman4]

basically yes.

 

DAI, in my opinion, has been moved to offline MMO style rather than RPG and its reflected in the short and disappointing story that is separated from the world/environment. And that's a shame because its a very beautiful world environment that has been created.

 

No decisions that alter anything. No consequences. No danger. No tragedy. Just hour after hour of pointless fetch quests that do nothing.

 

As for mature themes, the game swung from mature content that didn't treat you like a ten year old to Disney style romancing ,as in Josephine, and dumbed down Hollywood "action" that patronised you.

 

At least The Witcher series is aimed solely at mature adults and doesn't tippy toe around issues.

 

DAI is back to its roots??  My arse.

[Kylisse]

The Witcher and mature in the same sentence. Hehe.

[rekkaman]

The Witcher and mature in the same sentence. Hehe.

this.

witcher is just a straight white dude banging women and clunky controls. basically a dudebro game for gamergate audience

[teks]

basically yes.

 

DAI, in my opinion, has been moved to offline MMO style rather than RPG and its reflected in the short and disappointing story that is separated from the world/environment. And that's a shame because its a very beautiful world environment that has been created.

 

No decisions that alter anything. No consequences. No danger. No tragedy. Just hour after hour of pointless fetch quests that do nothing.

 

As for mature themes, the game swung from mature content that didn't treat you like a ten year old to Disney style romancing ,as in Josephine, and dumbed down Hollywood "action" that patronised you.

 

At least The Witcher series is aimed solely at mature adults and doesn't tippy toe around issues.

 

DAI is back to its roots??  My arse.

I heard that they actually had more mature sex scene content but it was cut from the final product due to controversy. Maybe someone will find it and unlock it one day.

If I was to describe the problem it would be "Too ambitious". The game is so big, that it absolutely must reach a huge audience in order to make the profit it needs to be sustainable. This means they had to make it appropriate to everyone. Another part of the too ambitious thing is that some parts of the game were so massive an undertaking that they drove resources away from other parts of the game.

As far as mature content. Its a mixed bag, but I still rank this RPG pretty high on the scale of maturity. There doesn't need to be consequences for the decisions to be mature. It is an RPG afterall, and part of that means making decisions for the sake of the story alone. Not because it gives you some stat or item, or takes something away. Honestly mechanical rewards and punishments can just as easily drive away maturity.

The whole point of an RPG is that you should care enough to make decisions for the sake of the story alone.

 

In this game did we not deal with drug addictions, transgender roles, politics, sexuality and its consequences on society,? Did we not make decisions regarding moral grey zones, like where ironbull must choose between his nationality or his friendships?

 

Yes, there is a long line of quests and fetch missions which feel hollow and incomplete, but the parts which the team put effort towards came off really well. They weren't immature, but they were limited in that they did have to make the game appease a wide audience. With how immature and corney most RPGS are, this still ranks high as a mature game with issues that will lead the player to question rather complex real life issues.

[Cyonan]

As much as I like the Witcher, I don't see why everybody thinks it's so much more mature.

[Hurbster]

The Witcher was always better at decisions, consequences, politics and racism than the Dragon Age series. Proper decisions that actually had an impact on the game world a few hours down the road. Without seeming to have a record sheet ticking off each social trend. Also was not really more explicit than Mass Effect 1 (you know before the 'backlash' scared Bioware and we got what we got until DA:1). 

 

Don't get me wrong, DA:O is my go to game for 3d party-based fantasy-themed combat. Just like the Witcher is my go to for the solo experience.

 

Also, lets not forget we know NOTHING about how the questing will work in W3. Here's hoping it's not just a bunch of quest hubs with Witcher contracts pinned on notice boards.

 

It's CDProjectRed's first attempt at an open world game as well, after all.

[Dreamer]

Inquisition is definitely "sanitized" compared to its predecessors, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I do miss the darker, heavier themes and consequences, but that's not really the story behind Inquisition; we're not just saving the world, we're fixing it--and there's a certain amount of hope and levity that comes with such a promise.

[atlantico]

this.

DA:I is just a straight white dude banging women and clunky controls. basically a dudebro game for gamergate audience

 

FTFY

[tmp7704]

So, regarding writing in Witcher 3....

http://www.rockpaper...on/#more-265487

I was travelling into the forest with a hunter who had seen a griffin slay dozens of men and women. The ground was still puddled with blood from its most recent massacre, but it was another act of violence that drew my attention. In conversation, the hunter revealed that he was chased from his village because his neighbors discovered that he was gay. Now he lives by himself, away from the judging eyes of his peers. Despite being forced from society, he still helps bring an end to the griffin, to relieve those who shunned him of further suffering.

“Even though it’s a fantasy game, we want to make sure that it feels real,” said Jonas Mattsson, senior environmental artist at CD Projekt Red. Reaching that goal begins with how people are presented in The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt (official site), the first three hours of which I’ve now played.

I... kinda wish I'd see the faces of people who were complaining about BW shoving teh gay that has no place in medieval RPGs down their throats and won't you look how CDP doesn't do any of this bullshit... when they run into this :s

[d-boy15]

Yes.

Just don't expect it to be like LOTR or DA:I, from the preview it's more like Games of Throne.

Tough decisions? Don't know about it since the game not released yet but from TW2 there are major decisions that can change how story flow and player perspective. Rape, racist, sexist or violence they not shy away from it.

And their storytelling style is different from Bioware, so I don't think everyone especially here will like it.

[duckley]

The Witcher is a great series. Witcher 1 had a ton a side and go fetch quests. Wtcher 2 was half the size of DA:I and also had some (not a ton) of side and go fetchers. I dont know what Witcher 3 will bring.

Too me the games are quite different and hard to compare, but both are a ton of fun. Both have their pluses and minuses.

I dont get the complaints about side and go fetch quests. Typically they are about building good will and reputation, which is certainly important for the Inquisition. They can be ignored for those who dislike them.

[Cyonan]

The Witcher was always better at decisions, consequences, politics and racism than the Dragon Age series. Proper decisions that actually had an impact on the game world a few hours down the road. Without seeming to have a record sheet ticking off each social trend. Also was not really more explicit than Mass Effect 1 (you know before the 'backlash' scared Bioware and we got what we got until DA:1). 

 

Don't get me wrong, DA:O is my go to game for 3d party-based fantasy-themed combat. Just like the Witcher is my go to for the solo experience.

 

Also, lets not forget we know NOTHING about how the questing will work in W3. Here's hoping it's not just a bunch of quest hubs with Witcher contracts pinned on notice boards.

 

It's CDProjectRed's first attempt at an open world game as well, after all.

 

I'm half expecting Witcher 3 to have either A. A good amount of filler content like Inquisition or B. A large world with not much in it.

 

Mostly because that's how the majority of open world games end up being like. It's an insane amount of work to create a huge world that also has lots of quality quests with plenty of choice which has consequences. Especially if you're doing a fully voiced game like CDPR and BioWare do.

[Chaos17]

The story has been mature since Witcher 1

[Marshal Moriarty]

The Witcher series does little for me. The biggest stumbling blocks are:

 

1) You have to play as Geralt. Now, I have no particular problem with him per se, but I just don't want to play as him. I can't get invested in his story or in him as a character. The whole concept of Witchers themselves do nothing for me either. Be it he X-,men esque mutant angle or the silly 'stabbing people with a silver sword does single digit damage', none of it holds any appeal for me,

 

and

 

2) So, the world of The Witcher presents a fairly 'warts and all' kind of feel, tackling prejudice and racism etc and is generally more explicit in every fashion than you would normally expect to see. The thing is, this tends to make me view the world of the Witcher as being filled with extremely unpleasant people, who I want nothing to do with, At the risk of sounding like a wet blanket, its just too crude for my tastes. And whether you consider that an overly precious statement or not, the fact is that I ended up wanting a meteor to strike, wiping out all the inhabitants of that planet, so evolution could take another crack and see if it could produce at least 1 nice person this time.

[Zered]

So, regarding writing in Witcher 3....

http://www.rockpaper...on/#more-265487


I... kinda wish I'd see the faces of people who were complaining about BW shoving teh gay that has no place in medieval RPGs down their throats and won't you look how CDP doesn't do any of this bullshit... when they run into this :s

You see that the story described by the dev in the interview is pretty much medival inspiration.

 

 

 

The Witcher series does little for me. The biggest stumbling blocks are:

 

Whether that's an overly precious statement or not, the fact is that I ended up wanting a meteor to strike, wiping out all the inhabitants of that planet, so evolution could take another crack and see if it could produce at least 1 nice person this time.

But, but theres quite a lot of good folks in the Witcher world, both books and games

[rekkaman]

FTFY

sure only one straight bro sex scene rest are gay, bi, or from women's point of view.  The witcher just isnt appealing to me.  If I was a cis hetro white teen virgin looking to act out my power trip and sexist fantasies then yes witcher would be the best most "mature" rpg ever made 

 

with "deep" and "advanced" combat just dodge rolling and spamming mouse 1, I would praise it to high heavens

[atlantico]

sure only one straight bro sex scene rest 

 

Sure, you'd fixate on that, I was more concerned with the "clunky controls" part. DA:I can be brofist sex if you want it to, just like the Witcher - and then DA:I has some of the clunkiest controls I've ever had the misfortune to have inflicted upon me. 

 

See the 12000 post thread in PC concerns for details.

[rekkaman]

Sure, you'd fixate on that, I was more concerned with the "clunky controls" part. DA:I can be brofist sex if you want it to, just like the Witcher - and then DA:I has some of the clunkiest controls I've ever had the misfortune to have inflicted upon me. 

 

See the 12000 post thread in PC concerns for details.

nothing is worst than witcher 1 controls and witcher 2 pre advanced edtion. and i fixated on that cause of the claim of maturity of the witcher series, which is a lie than gamergate bros tell themselves and controls are acutally playable in this game unlike witcher 2 in its first 4 months of release.

[Nefla]

How about we wait until TW3 is actually out before praising it everywhere?

[rekkaman]

How about we wait until TW3 is actually out before praising it everywhere?

or TW fans can go to off topic section discuss cdproject's games on bioware forums there and leave the rest of us alone.

[o Ventus]

Don't get me wrong, I prefer dragon age to the witcher 10:1... but with all the fetch quests, the partial move away from cinematics, the low gore, low tragedy stylings of inquisition, are we in a spot where we have to look elsewhere for dragon age style storytelling?

Hard decisions, mature themes (outside of sexuality, of course, which DAI does a good job with), tragedy and gravity, DAI took a step back and got a lot more sanitary, and a lot less immediate and dangerous, I suppose.

World ending? Let's put flowers on a grave for a guy in redcliff whose too lazy to walk.

The rifts were there... but did they really change and endanger the world for the most part? If so, I didn't really see it. Time was never pressing, lives were never in the balance.

Except for the one, really good, tough choice we had to make... and you all know what that was. We need more of that, we need some serious story DLC that explores dragon age type themes like betrayal, the impact of the war, and the emotional consequences for our friends.

We're not there yet, too much empty wilderness, too many quests from discarded notes on the ground, and bosses we don't even realize are bosses until we notice they're taking too long to die... hoping for some A+ DLC to put the witcher where it belongs, in second place.

Good to see that literally none of these things are in any way related to maturity, despite the thread title giving the impression that TW is somehow more mature than DA.