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So until we get some story heavy dlc, is the witcher going to be where we have to look for mature storytelling?


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based on the previews so far that came out today, looks like an open world with little mini choices here and there, some fetch questing, a "witcher sense" mode where you an find things on the map, and fighting giant monsters every so often.

 

Take that for what you will. 



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based on the previews so far that came out today, looks like an open world with little mini choices here and there, some fetch questing, a "witcher sense" mode where you an find things on the map, and fighting giant monsters every so often.

 

Take that for what you will. 

 

Yes, the question is will they make it fit together or make the game as shallow as DA:I?

 

A game is more than the sum of its parts.

 

 

Good to see that literally none of these things are in any way related to maturity, despite the thread title giving the impression that TW is somehow more mature than DA.

 

 

Well, DA:I is not mature at all, so the bar isn't exactly set high.



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So, regarding writing in Witcher 3....

http://www.rockpaper...on/#more-265487

 

If nothing else, the screenshots on that article may indicate that TW3 will actually introduce color to the series. I mean, sure there were some blues and reds in TW2, but the first 12 or so hours of gameplay took place in varying shades of green, brown, and vomit.


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Yes, the question is will they make it fit together or make the game as shallow as DA:I?

 

A game is more than the sum of its parts.

I dunno but looking at the new previews looks like a generic version of DA:I so far that is just prettier because of 7 months extra time.



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Well, DA:I is not mature at all, so the bar isn't exactly set high.

Thanks for laying it out clearly for me, this is a very concise explanation for why DAI isn't mature, while the Wticher is.


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I dunno but looking at the new previews looks like a generic version of DA:I so far that is just prettier because of 7 months extra time.

 

There's only so long one can look at a game no matter how pretty it is, all I'm interested in is if this is a good game, non-buggy with a proper PC UI.

 

 

Thanks for laying it out clearly for me, this is a very concise explanation for why DAI isn't mature, while the Wticher is.

 

 

NP



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No, see, that was sarcasm. I was actually mocking your response because it in no way actually answered how DAI is less mature than TW.

 

The OP evidently can't be bothered to cite any reasons why TW is more mature than DAI (and barely even mentions TW as much as he just mindlessly criticizes DAI), and he's the one who created the thread to begin with.


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No, see, that was sarcasm. I was actually mocking your response because it in no way actually answered how DAI is less mature than TW.

 

The OP evidently can't be bothered to cite any reasons why TW is more mature than DAI (and barely even mentions TW as much as he just mindlessly criticizes DAI), and he's the one who created the thread to begin with.

seems this is just a DA:i hate thread for the cdprojectred wackos



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No, see, that was sarcasm. I was actually mocking your response because it in no way actually answered how DAI is less mature than TW.

So was my reply. 

 

DA:I is Twilight of videogames. So mature. Do you need an explanation? 

 

 

seems this is just a DA:i hate thread for the cdprojectred wackos

 

 

Confirmation bias. Look it up.



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Ugh people give it a break. Can't people like both series instead of bashing each other and comparing if Bioware or CDPR has the longer penis...


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DA:I is Twilight of videogames. So mature.

 

Yeah, a Hero's Journey story like DAI is comparable to a romance like Twilight. They aren't even the same genre, let alone actually similar.

 

Confirmation bias. Look it up.

 

The irony in this statement is actually painful.


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sure only one straight bro sex scene rest are gay, bi, or from women's point of view.  The witcher just isnt appealing to me.  If I was a cis hetro white teen virgin looking to act out my power trip and sexist fantasies then yes witcher would be the best most "mature" rpg ever made  :rolleyes:

 

with "deep" and "advanced" combat just dodge rolling and spamming mouse 1, I would praise it to high heavens :P

 

Not sure if sarcastic or straight from Tumblr...


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Ugh people give it a break. Can't people like both series instead of bashing each other and comparing if Bioware or CDPR has the longer penis...


That would be ideal. Some folks are unable to tolerate such things, unfortunately.

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Ugh people give it a break. Can't people like both series instead of bashing each other and comparing if Bioware or CDPR has the longer penis...

No, because the human brain is only capable of liking one narrative-driven Fantasy action-RPG series, not two.



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Yeah, a Hero's Journey story like DAI is comparable to a romance like Twilight. They aren't even the same genre, let alone actually similar.

 

 

It's comparable in maturity. It transcends genres.

 

The irony in this statement is actually painful.

 

 

I'm probably granting you far more than you deserve, but what are you talking about?



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The Witcher was always better at decisions, consequences, politics and racism than the Dragon Age series. Proper decisions that actually had an impact on the game world a few hours down the road. Without seeming to have a record sheet ticking off each social trend. Also was not really more explicit than Mass Effect 1 (you know before the 'backlash' scared Bioware and we got what we got until DA:1). 

 

Don't get me wrong, DA:O is my go to game for 3d party-based fantasy-themed combat. Just like the Witcher is my go to for the solo experience.

 

Also, lets not forget we know NOTHING about how the questing will work in W3. Here's hoping it's not just a bunch of quest hubs with Witcher contracts pinned on notice boards.

 

It's CDProjectRed's first attempt at an open world game as well, after all.

What? One of the first quest in the seris has you possible playing a elven woman fighting her way through rapist who kidnapped her and her bridal maids from her wedding......Witcher has nothing like that.



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...Witcher....what is first thing that comes to my mind when I think about it?Hmmm....

Spoiler

Yup very mature...enough said :)



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It's comparable in maturity. It transcends genres.

 

 

How many posts has this idiotic back-and-forth been going on? Are you going to actually give reasons as to why TW is so much more mature than DAI?

 

I'm probably granting you far more than you deserve, but what are you talking about?

 

You. You telling someone else to look up confirmation bias when you've been going through it all thread long (and in others, from what I've witnessed).


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Not sure if sarcastic or straight from Tumblr...

probably tumblr, in doubt, every time you read something like, cis. privilege, or the wonderful, straight white man, chances are it's a tumblr crazy.

 

in recent months, sometimes it seems that this forum has become a tumblr franchise.



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How many posts has this idiotic back-and-forth been going on? Are you going to actually give reasons as to why TW is so much more mature than DAI?

 

I already did, but you never read post I guess. Mature is serious, like when someone dies, that's a divergence in the story. It is permanent. Not Gaider's "when someone dies, that doesn't mean they're dead".

 
You. You telling someone else to look up confirmation bias when you've been going through it all thread long (and in others, from what I've witnessed).

 

 

I feared as much. Oh well.

 

Confirmation bias is seeing what you want to see, even when it isn't there. 

 

Like seeing a thread full of "cdprojectred wackos", when it's just normal people who aren't fanbois of anyone. 



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on the topic yes DAI, is more PG13 than its predecessors, so much that if the nudity of some romances are removed, the game Become PG13.

 

and by mature the OP probably refers to realism in a medival world, the filth, the violence and the poverty. The  mediavel era in our world, hardly compares to the World presented in Dai, (even disregarding the magic) now with the world of the witcher ... much more realistic. (already disregarding magic).


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on the topic yes DAI, is more PG13 than its predecessors, so much that if the nudity of some romances are removed, the game Become PG13.
 
and by mature the OP probably refers to realism in a medival world, the filth, the violence and the poverty. The  mediavel era in our world, hardly compares to the World presented in Dai, (even disregarding the magic) now with the world of the witcher ... much more realistic. (already disregarding magic).


Why does it have to compare to our own medieval period? When a world has different cultural, religious, political, and historical foundations, there is no reason for its societies to resemble our own.
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Good to see that literally none of these things are in any way related to maturity, despite the thread title giving the impression that TW is somehow more mature than DA.

I agree, none of the OP had anything to do with the maturity of the storyline what-so-ever. I have a hard time finding any evidence of immaturity in the storyline either. The most immature thing is probably the antagonist, who just seems to be your typical bad guy. Now do I follow where anyone is setting their bar from. RPGS have a long history of being nearly unbearably immature and corny.

Yeah, its not as gorey and dark, and I really miss that. Its something to be sore about, but there is a very simple formula that game developers gotta factor in.

 

The bigger your budget, the wider the audience you need to target.

 

They wanted to make DAI this absolutely huge game, and if it was a little too dark they would lose a huge portion of their potential customers. They have plenty of room to go back to dark, and I hope they do, but dark and gore isn't the same as maturity. When a player says game B is more mature because it has racism and rape. It doesn't come off right to me.

 

But mind you, if they do have that content, then they can't have as big a budget either. Its just simple numbers man. Like that dreaded R in movies. Stupid, but real fact of life.



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on the topic yes DAI, is more PG13 than its predecessors, so much that if the nudity of some romances are removed, the game Become PG13.

 

and by mature the OP probably refers to realism in a medival world, the filth, the violence and the poverty. The  mediavel era in our world, hardly compares to the World presented in Dai, (even disregarding the magic) now with the world of the witcher ... much more realistic. (already disregarding magic).

I made a post about what is realism in the medieval world. Everyone seems to link every fantasy game with the dark ages, or medieval western europe. There it was dirty, and poor, and violent, but that's a small fraction of history too.

The roman empire had plumbing more advanced then Chicago in 1890. Bath houses. Fresh water. A stable governing system that lasted all the way through the 10th century AD. (The Byzantine empire is the late roman empire. Rome didn't fall when some folk say it did.)

 

Look at the game a little closer....is it really modeled after the era of the crusades after the fall of the greatest human empire?

The thing about the Dragon age world is. Its vastly rich, and very advanced. This world is in a golden era of development, and appears quite advanced to me. They know of medicines, and herbs. They pride costumes and apparal. They aren't fighting over food or resources, but instead playing very intense games of politics.

 

This era more closely represents the late roman empire AKA the byzantines more then anything else, and so it wouldn't be a dirty filthy poor place at all, and it'd still be perfectly historically accurate. Not that there isn't dirt filth and poverty, but its the same way in modern society too.


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Sure, you'd fixate on that, I was more concerned with the "clunky controls" part. DA:I can be brofist sex if you want it to, just like the Witcher - and then DA:I has some of the clunkiest controls I've ever had the misfortune to have inflicted upon me.

See the 12000 post thread in PC concerns for details.


The DAI controls are a work of art compared to the TW2 controls and UI. I love the game. But that UI sucks hard.
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