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[SomberXIII]

Another Witcher post.

[Kroitz]

Can´t we just agree that CDR has better Dev support and supperior CEs and leave the rest for the scholars to decide?

[atlantico]

"durr, they don't stay dead!" is not a reason.

 

I remember when Wynne came back after she died. Or Shale, after I sided with Branka. Or Loghain, after I executed him.

 

I always love how people take one singular, isolated occurrence of something and try to pass it off as a trend and use it ammunition later to represent something they don't like, completely and totally ignoring that it is indeed NOT a trend.

 

"Well, this one person came back, so it's a recurring thing now despite happening literally once in the franchise's 5 year history."

 

 

 

The irony in this is even more painful than the last. How you don't see it, I don't understand.

 

 

Wow there's incredible irony there, oh if that irony could be manifested, it would be lethal.

 

Yes, they stay dead is a reason. It's mature, like a decisions grown ups need to deal with.

 

Perhaps you need to distance yourself from this *computer game*. 

[Estel78]

Let me preface by saying that i'm a fan of Bioware. What they have going for them is the companions you meet and befriend. It's great. In pretty much every other aspect, though, CD Project RED has surpassed them, especially world building. I don't necessarily mean coming up with a world but realizing it in a way that makes it look real, lived in. Having said that, i would still put the Mass Effect series slightly above the Witcher series because again, the (virtual) friendships i've made.

[exboomer]

As much as I like the Witcher, I don't see why everybody thinks it's so much more mature.

Full frontal nudity and adult themed sex I think is the main reason The Witcher is considered more mature. JMO.

[o Ventus]

Wow there's incredible irony there, oh if that irony could be manifested, it would be lethal.

 

Please stop trying to redirect what I say back onto me. It's embarrassing and it doesn't work.

 

 

Yes, they stay dead is a reason. It's mature, like a decisions grown ups need to deal with.

 

Way to completely ignore my actual post and respond to one single phrase. But of course, when you have nothing to say in your defense, the best course of action is to ignore everything. You'd make a good lawyer.

 

Perhaps you need to distance yourself from this *computer game*.

 

Says the person going out of their way to mindlessly criticize one game and prop up another.

[Vox Draco]

the Witcher ... yeah, it is definatly darker, grittier, and the story is, even with all the politics, quite personal to Geralt. I like that approach, but don't see why every game has to be like that. Witcher also has quite a lot of humour, pop-culture-references and really doesn't take itself too serious at a lot of moments, just as the books (read them, it has bloodshed, sex and some hilarious dialogue!)

 

Personally, yeah, I wouldn't mind a little less "epic elven magic world threatening stuff" happening in DA in the future ...

 

Especially because the Wild Hunt in Witcher is

Spoiler

...no, not telling ^^ Or did I already?

 

I will also hence start the count of "Witcher rulez over DragonAge!-Threads!" Let's bet how many we will see before 19th May!

[wrdnshprd]

Pillars of Eternity might also be a good game to check once it gets out... My only complaint is that it looks like it's 15 years old.I understand the need to do an old school RPG but the BG style isometric view is outdated. It's 2015.. what the hell. But I will check it out for it's story because Obsidian are good at that making great stories.

 

The Witcher series is meh for me. I know that it has a great a storyline but for some odd reason, I cannot get myself to like that franchise. but I'm sure that others are enjoying it.

 

As for DAI, I agree with you said entirely. If I were to characterize the game in sentence, I'd say that: Good ideas with bad design decisions. I really really hope that the DLC will redeem this game because it would be a real shame for those 4 years of development.

 

remember that Pillars had one of the largest kickstarters for a video game.. the fans WANTED the old school gameplay.. so its not surprising thats the direction they went with.. its fine if you dont like that style.. but its evident by the kickstarter results for Pillars as well as games like divinity that the baldurs gate style is in demand. Even in "2015".

[teks]

 

true, but maybe the point I want to make is that DAI is more sanitary, than the previous games, even if the world of dragon age is in a more advanced era historic, (a mixture of the Renaissance with Roma and classical greece) even in these ages humanity has never been kind, we always were violent and depraved, and DAI, biowere, exploited this fact, far less than in previous games. At least for me the game got with a feeling of PG13.

 

DAI has become more politically correct, perhaps in an effort to attract more players?

 

And before someone attacks me, I love dragon age, I played DAO and DA2 dozens of times more than TW.

 

I wouldn't say renaissance, just straight up late roman 400-1000ad. How unkind and depraved humanity is here is really hard to determine. People rarely write about periods of peace, they write about wars. In civilized areas life was stable, peaceful and clean much to the standards we have today, and its not so much that their isn't carnal atrocities being carried out all over, its not that those in civilized areas are ignorant to it. Like how us Americans are pretty ignorant to the conflict in Syria.

 

As compared to the idea that everyone who lived in the past were dirty, with sick people begging on the streets as carts of plague-ridden bodies stream past. The people in the byzantines were really pretty ignorant to the harshness in the world around them, which reminds me of orlais. Here we have this crazed lunatic ready to destroy the world, but most are more concerned with dress and politics. This is really similar to reactions in the Byzantines against the turks, where those in the center of the empire never really grasped how much danger they were really in until they were knocking on their doorstep.

 

But yeah, DAi had to be more politically correct to attract more players. Its just a consequence of being a major production game. Most big budget things keep that PG-13 rating, because if they don't their potential audience is cut. It sucks, and I feel it too. Ugh, remember the brood mother...wonderful.

[Kallas_br123]

I wouldn't say renaissance, just straight up late roman 400-1000ad. How unkind and depraved humanity is here is really hard to determine. People rarely write about periods of peace, they write about wars. In civilized areas life was stable, peaceful and clean much to the standards we have today, and its not so much that their isn't carnal atrocities being carried out all over, its not that those in civilized areas are ignorant to it. Like how us Americans are pretty ignorant to the conflict in Syria.

 

As compared to the idea that everyone who lived in the past were dirty, with sick people begging on the streets as carts of plague-ridden bodies stream past. The people in the byzantines were really pretty ignorant to the harshness in the world around them, which reminds me of orlais. Here we have this crazed lunatic ready to destroy the world, but most are more concerned with dress and politics. This is really similar to reactions in the Byzantines against the turks, where those in the center of the empire never really grasped how much danger they were really in until they were knocking on their doorstep.

 

But yeah, DAi had to be more politically correct to attract more players. Its just a consequence of being a major production game. Most big budget things keep that PG-13 rating, because if they don't their potential audience is cut. It sucks, and I feel it too. Ugh, remember the brood mother...wonderful.

the Broodmother of the first game the themes of human sacrifice, necromancy and even simple the misery of kirkewall in the second game. i miss it too.

 

What do I do not understand is why biowere still trying to pretend that the game is rated M, why they do not embrace the PG13 at once, and gain more public in this way. Because if you will use the M rating, makes no sense, be so sanitary.

[X Equestris]

the Broodmother of the first game the themes of human sacrifice, necromancy and even simple the misery of kirkewall in the second game. i miss it too.
 
What do I do not understand is why biowere still trying to pretend that the game is rated M, why they do not embrace the PG13 at once, and gain more public in this way. Because if you will use the M rating, makes no sense, be so sanitary.

You don't get to choose your rating.

[atlantico]

Please stop trying to redirect what I say back onto me. It's embarrassing and it doesn't work.

 

 

Yes, everyone has noticed your posts are so ironic, they're embarrassing you.

[CronoDragoon]

The Witcher series is a curious combination of good videogame storytelling (the way Letho as the antagonist is handled is very well done) and head-scratching immaturity (MY FAVORITE KIND OF MAGIC. LESBOMANCY HURHURHUR). Overall the positives definitely outweigh the negatives, but I'm not comfortable saying that the Witcher is a mature series on the whole.

[Il Divo]

The Witcher series is a curious combination of good videogame storytelling (the way Letho as the antagonist is handled is very well done) and head-scratching immaturity (MY FAVORITE KIND OF MAGIC. LESBOMANCY HURHURHUR). Overall the positives definitely outweigh the negatives, but I'm not comfortable saying that the Witcher is a mature series on the whole.

 

I feel like that can be said for a lot of things, to continue your point.

 

I see people criticize Game of Throne's for nudity, claiming that the series isn't worth bothering as a result. On the other hand, I might see people defend Star Wars as a  mature story in the same breath....the same series which features Indiana Jones style antics watching Luke and company make jokes/light-hearted remarks while running from storm troopers.

 

So agreed, I don't think a story only has to be one or the other. 

[Apollexander]

Since TW3 is not released yet, I suggest OP try GTAV. Very very MATURE

[Bizantura]

If anything, The Witcher will become less and less from previous 1 and 2.  It is aiming for the american market also the biggest market.  So the game will be altered to accomodate american tastes which is very different from the european one.  I am expecting a shell from the former games and hope I am wrong but daubt it.  Less dark, less nudity ect....  The one thing they can't change is to make a female and male witcher to boost sales.

 

Aiming for that big fat american market will change this so beloved and high praised publisher, just as EA changed Bioware's.  Time will tell.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

The Witcher franchise is darker, more realistic and gritty. The world of Witcher is what you would expect a medieval Amsterdam or Northern Europe would be like if it had magic and fantastical creatures. The art style, the lore, the landscape and the creatures which are actually part of the landscape as opposed to just being enemies enforces this notion on you. Then there's the gameplay with its brutal swordplay and the idea of choice as "lesser of two evils" as opposed to "paragorn vs renegade" makes you feel immersed. The fact that the player can make Geralt be a super nice knight in shining armor or a playboy jerk gives players actual choice. It does not pretend to be very politically correct, be it left leaning or right leaning. It does not attempt to shove any agenda on its playerbase. It is unapologetic and hence Witcher gives the vibe of being mature. 

 

Dragon Age franchise started out with a dark, realistic and gritty Game of Thrones vibe. In Origins the whole game gave off this vibe from the brutality in it, the betrayals, the somewhat grounded gameplay. There was also equal content for everyone with no clear bias to any particular group. Everyone got the same amount of romances, every single Origin story has its own crap that you have to deal with and it did not hold back when presenting issues like sexism with cultures like the Qunari. What is more, you could be a total douchebag and still finish the game. On the other hand, now Dragon Age franchise is neutered and diluted. It is not just another generic fantasy game. You cannot roleplay as a douchebag. The combat is unnecessarily bling-ish and over the top with warriors & rogues having magic-ish effects and mages being masters of staff twerking. The art style is too bright and vibrant for a dark and gritty game. They whitewashed elements like prostitution, sexism in Qunari culture and Desire Demons away. The balance for the romance options make no sense. No one you really invested about or cared about dies in front of you, unless if you count Chancellor Roderick a.k.a Udina 2.0. Your Origin stories get reduced to a bunch of war table missions. 

 

CDProjektRed is unapologetically still making a game for those of us who want dark, gritty fantastical games with a sense of realism. They still stick to their niche, their soul. That is what makes them mature, its their nature of not giving much of a f**k. 

 

Bioware is making a game to cater to the as many people as they can to make profits, niche and soul be damned. You cannot make a game that tries to appeal to everyone and still have a mature content. You can have superficial maturity like the DAI romances but other than that, LOL nope. 

[FKA_Servo]

CDProjektRed is unapologetically still making a game for those of us who want dark, gritty fantastical games with a sense of realism. They still stick to their niche, their soul. That is what makes them mature, its their nature of not giving much of a f**k. 

 

Bioware is making a game to cater to the as many people as they can to make profits, niche and soul be damned. You cannot make a game that tries to appeal to everyone and still have a mature content. You can have superficial maturity like the DAI romances but other than that, LOL nope. 

 

I guess if this is "maturity" as defined by a child. I don't think anything in the world will convince me that CDProjekt isn't held up on this "maturity" pedestal for the simple fact that they save their players the trouble of modding in the boobs.

 

All I can say is that I hope TW3 is as good as everyone else hopes. I have a hard time believing that it will not fall victim to the same issues and complaints that other open world games like DAI and Skyrim and whatnot do, but I'd love to be wrong, and I think I'd like to play it someday. The aesthetic in TW2 is killer. Unfortunately, along with being forced to play a pretty boring looking character, the gameplay in the first one precludes me from actually playing it, it's so bad.

[Han Shot First]

As much as I like the Witcher, I don't see why everybody thinks it's so much more mature.

 

Probably because the subject matter is darker than DA. As an example, this makes the Templars look like boy scouts:

 

[o Ventus]

Yes, everyone has noticed your posts are so ironic, they're embarrassing you.

I'm going to drop it after this reply.

 

I've been asking for a reason why the Witcher is more mature than DAI for several days now. I've still not gotten an answer.

 

If you're going to bother responding to me, actually f**king respond to me and stop being facetious like you think you're clever.

[Allan Schumacher]

Going to close this thread down as it's turning into a mudslinging match.

 

It's fine to prefer The Witcher over Dragon Age. It's fine to prefer Dragon Age over the Witcher.