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[LobselVith8]

I rather think that once you take the job of Inquisitor you can sort of say goodbye to your Dalish life.   I've been asking over on another thread what happens if you don't want to be Inquisitor any more now the main threat is past and things are settling back to normal.

 

While the protagonist gives up his or her life as a nomadic Dalish, I can see where the OP is coming from: taking up the mantle of Inquisitor doesn't necessarily mean the elven main character surrenders their cultural or religious values, which could play a significant role in who the protagonist wants to build a life with.

 

I certainly didn't see any viable options; Cassandra asking Lavellan if there was room for the Maker among his gods, or Josephine mentioning how the elven protagonist is in "different circles" now if Lavellan expresses the dichotomy between Dalish elves and Andrastian humans, made me feel rather uncomfortable.

 

Still if you think your gay Dalish girl has got it hard, pity the poor Dalish lad; he doesn't even get the option of an elven romance, so he really has to leave behind everything.   Making Skyhold look as Dalish as possible is small consolation for the loss of the clan (even if they aren't wiped out it is clear you are not going back). 

 

Unfortunately true. It can feel very isolating when you're surrounded by a plethora of Andrastian humans who make no attempt to try and understand you or where you come from.

 

After Solas walked out on my girl, I decided that eventually she'd find consolation with that nice Dalish lad, Loreniel (I think I got it right) who had been so keen to join us.     I played my male Dalish as gay, to account for why he hadn't already got a girl back in the clan, so he's been ignoring the fact that Dorian is Tevinter and romancing him but whilst I haven't got to the end with him yet, I gather he may well also ultimately be left to face life alone, but since Solas is clearly up to something that will no doubt involve the elves, may be it is just as well that elven Inquisitors are not attached since I am convinced that the writers have something nasty planned for the Dalish next time round. 

 

Your boyfriend's name is Loranil.

[ComedicSociopathy]

While the protagonist gives up his or her life as a nomadic Dalish, I can see where the OP is coming from: taking up the mantle of Inquisitor doesn't necessarily mean the elven main character surrenders their cultural or religious values, which could play a significant role in who the protagonist wants to build a life with.

 

I certainly didn't see any viable options; Cassandra asking Lavellan if there was room for the Maker among his gods, or Josephine mentioning how the elven protagonist is in "different circles" now if Lavellan expresses the dichotomy between Dalish elves and Andrastian humans, made me feel rather uncomfortable.

 

I don't think your really giving Cassandra or Josephine much of a chance here. Yes, Cassandra asks if the Maker can be among the Dalish gods, but that feels like more her attempt at giving you the olive breach then an active attempt to convert you. In fact, she's open-minded enough to abandon the monotheistic beliefs of the Chantry and propose an inclusive Monolatrism view that includes her God and Lavellan's gods. Cassandra's a lot more willing to compromise when it comes to religion then possible any other character in the DA universe. Just because she might not necessarily share your belief's doesn't mean she won't respect them if you decided to enter a romantic relationship with her. Give her credit for that at least.

 

And Josephine goes out of her to ensure that you aren't be mistreated by anyone at Haven, and even asks you about your clan, becoming awed when you mention how much you enjoyed living in the wilds. 

 

Honestly though, I really don't how religious differences needs to the nail in the coffin that stops you from enjoying these two great romances. Cass and Josie are sweet and regardless of whether your Inquisitor worships the Maker, the Stone, the Creators or the Qun, they'll love you unconditionally.

 

Why retrieve yourself of a beautifully thing. 

[CuriousArtemis]

yea I feel for the male str8 Dalish as well. My OP applies to them as well.

 

And your options as a gay Dalish man are a BDSM relationship and a former slave-owner. Yay.

[ComedicSociopathy]

And your options as a gay Dalish man are a BDSM relationship and a former slave-owner. Yay.

 

There's actually a lot more to them in fact. Several pages of dialogue, character motivation and back-story more in fact. 

[CuriousArtemis]

There's actually a lot more to them in fact. Several pages of dialogue, character motivation and back-story more in fact. 

 

Still, if you're turned off by bondage (and it's a major part of the relationship) or don't like the thought of dating someone who is a-okay with enslaving your people, you're SOL.

[AresKeith]

Still, if you're turned off by bondage (and it's a major part of the relationship) or don't like the thought of dating someone who is a-okay with enslaving your people, you're SOL.

 

As someone said earlier, they can't make LIs for every single person's preference 

[CuriousArtemis]

As someone said earlier, they can't make LIs for every single person's preference

Yes and hence the SOL scenario lol

Remove race and gender gating though and at least we all get the same crappy options

[AresKeith]

Yes and hence the SOL scenario lol

Remove race and gender gating though and at least we all get the same crappy options

 

Nah

[Uccio]

Because BioWare has made it their MO to make us think the Dalish are Sin incarnate? 

 

No that would be the Imperium. Even the qun gets the apologetic whitewashing but not Tevinter.

[ctd757]

As a Dalish it's set up to where you don't go back to clan or if you do they are not the same. If done right your keeper becomes head of Wycome and the clan lives there. They have changed I think you can bring Josie or anybody to that

[Steelcan]

I don't know how anybody can play through DA:I and still go at the end "Yep the Dalish definitely have the right of it in regards to religion"

[LOLandStuff]

I don't know how anybody can play through DA:I and still go at the end "Yep the Dalish definitely have the right of it in regards to religion"

 

Denial.

[LilyasAvalon]

Oh my god. They made a character above making a love interest.

HOW DARE THEY.

 

In all seriousness, that's just realism. 'Love' isn't enough to make a relationship work, it takes a lot of compromise, and sometimes, there are simply just things you can't compromise on. Faith, culture, ideals, goals, sexual interests, etc.

 

Sera is simply sticking to her guns that she does not believe elven culture serves much of a purpose anymore, that elves that do stick to the old ways are just sticks in the mud. I'm not saying it's right, but it's what she believes is right.

[LobselVith8]

As a Dalish it's set up to where you don't go back to clan or if you do they are not the same. If done right your keeper becomes head of Wycome and the clan lives there. They have changed I think you can bring Josie or anybody to that

 

Well, Clan Lavellan is no longer nomadic, but the entire reason Keeper Deshanna Istimaethoriel has become one of the leaders of the council is because the Dalish rescued the humans who were poisoned with red lyrium, and they refused to leave when the Marcher armies were approaching because the Wycome elves had no one else to protect them (since the Wycome nobility turned the other Marcher city-states against the elves with lies and deceit since the Dalish were being regarded as heroes for their actions).

 

As for the cultural and religious schism, it doesn't have to do with the clan but rather the protagonist; Faerunner has already addressed the inherent issues in her post above when it comes to playing as a Lavellan who wants to be romantically involved with someone who can understand them and their views, or at least try. Cassandra asking Lavellan if he could add the Maker to his pantheon of gods, or Josephine dismissing the religious and cultural schism between the Dalish and the Andrastian by saying that Clan Lavellan simply needs to accept that the protagonist moves in "different circles", didn't give me that impression.

 

It simply reminded me about how Anders couldn't accept that Merrill had her own cultural and religious views, or how Origins Leliana and Sebastian interpreted the Dalish as following the Maker in a different way, and it's one of the problematic issues in limiting your romance options (for a straight male main character) to devout Andrastians.

[Steelcan]

Maker forbid that Leliana and Sebastian try to come up with an explanation consistent with their own faith

[CathyMe]

Maker forbid that Leliana and Sebastian try to come up with an explanation consistent with their own faith

Or...you know....just accept that there are people who have different beliefs

[SardaukarElite]

You can romance Sera and end it after Mythal to protect your Dalish pride. Sure it's not a happy ending exactly but that's nearly the end of the content, so the romance basically exists in your head from that point. Assume your Inquisitrix is happy and found some nice Dalish girl to frolic with. Maybe Ariane is free.

 

So why do we not have ANY option for a LTR that does not require a pro-Dalish to give up who she is to find happiness?

 

Same reason we don't have a woman chevalier with blonde curls and a lovely singing voice, or any other hypothetical character.

[caradoc2000]

I bet Thoreau didn't "frolic" in his Life in the Woods.

[Steelcan]

Or...you know....just accept that there are people who have different beliefs

They still need to rationalize elven beliefs with their own, can't just ignore the existence of other races

[CathyMe]

They still need to rationalize elven beliefs with their own, can't just ignore the existence of other races

But that's the problem, this is about faith. There is nothing to rationalize, you either believe or you do not...or simply do not care, that's always an option. And if they can't accept that not everyone follows a certain religion, then maybe they are the problem. But I think this is not the appropriate thread for this debate.

[Steelcan]

But that's the problem, this is about faith. There is nothing to rationalize, you either believe or you do not...or simply do not care, that's always an option. And if they can't accept that not everyone follows a certain religion, then maybe they are the problem. But I think this is not the appropriate thread for this debate.

. Trying to reconcile Dalish beliefs with Andrastian teaching is hardly a problem. If people like Merrill or other Dalish elves feel threatened by this, that's their own problem.

Better for the two to have some common ground than them be wholly incompatible

[Patchwork]

I don't know how anybody can play through DA:I and still go at the end "Yep the Dalish definitely have the right of it in regards to religion"

 

How so? Sure they have gaps in their understanding but considering historical events that's understandable, I don't see how it invalidates their religion?

 

If anything the Creators are proven to be real while the Maker remains fluffy and baseless. 

[Vita Brevis]

They can't have LIs for every single type of character we come up with mate. You can romance no one and headcanon that they found someone outside the romance options. I mean, if you want to complain, what about the dwarves that haven't had a dwarf romance option in three games? Not complaining, I'm just saying that they can't put a million variables.

They could give us a city elf origin. It wouldn't cost them anything, it changes literally nothing since we won't even met our dalish clan. But now, op is right - playing pro-dalish makes no sense story-wise and playing as a dalish it makes no sense for them to be anything but pro-dalish. BW decided for us what our character will be. And this is bs. I hate how all our responses to Solas are offensive at best, you can't even roleplay playing as an elf, you're pro-dalish and you know better, period.