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[DrKilledbyDeath]

You really haven't thought this through have you?

 

If you're in the market for a 4x4, why on Earth would I test drive a car advertised as a 2WD? Using Penguin's analogy, if I'm in the market for a manual car, why on Earth would I be test driving a car advertised as automatic?

Let's get serious ok? Bioware shouldn't need to explain their skills, we should just figure out what they do for ourselves. I mean whos idea was it that manufacturers of a product should tell us what it does, check your ego at the door people. There should never be information available to consumers to help decide what to purchase. Need some cold medication and want to know which is best for congestion? Too bad, buy them all and try figure it out on your own. Need winter tires for a car, well buy 4 sets and test what gives you the best traction. And to your 4x4 vs 2wd cars, can't you dopes figure out all the inner workings of a car just by driving it once? I mean it isn't like those things come with an owners manual.

[Kenny Bania]

Let's get serious ok? Bioware shouldn't need to explain their skills, we should just figure out what they do for ourselves. I mean whos idea was it that manufacturers of a product should tell us what it does, check your ego at the door people. There should never be information available to consumers to help decide what to purchase. Need some cold medication and want to know which is best for congestion? Too bad, buy them all and try figure it out on your own. Need winter tires for a car, well buy 4 sets and test what gives you the best traction. And to your 4x4 vs 2wd cars, can't you dopes figure out all the inner workings of a car just by driving it once? I mean it isn't like those things come with an owners manual.

 

Agreed.

 

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone sometimes in this place. The leaps I've seen in logic are ****** outstanding.

[actionhero112]

You really haven't thought this through have you?

 

If you're in the market for a 4x4, why on Earth would I test drive a car advertised as a 2WD? Using Penguin's analogy, if I'm in the market for a manual car, why on Earth would I be test driving a car advertised as automatic?

 

Because you're writing a review on the car? Because you took the responsibility of sharing knowledge, you also take the responsibility of making sure that knowledge is true. 

 

Here, let me explain something to you. This forum exists beyond you. Yes, there are people that read these forums and are looking for answers to their questions. So when someone perpetuates a falsehood, they should get, yes, corrected. They do not get excused out of doing their due diligence simply because they are lazy. 

 

I've never met someone so ardent in defending people who are wrong.

[Kenny Bania]

Because you're writing a review on the car? Because you took the responsibility of sharing knowledge, you also take the responsibility of making sure that knowledge is true. 

 

Here, let me explain something to you. This forum exists beyond you. Yes, there are people that read these forums and are looking for answers to their questions. So when someone perpetuates a falsehood, they should get, yes, corrected. They do not get excused out of doing their due diligence simply because they are lazy. 

 

Who the hell is writing a review? You said, and I quote, "I'm actually not sure where this misinformation started. It's not like it was that hard to test." in regards to someone expecting an ability to do what it says on the tin. The simple answer to that was "the tooltip".

 

Why on Earth would they expect the ability to do something completely different?

 

I can't believe I'm having to explain anything here.

 

Nobody is criticising you for correcting the falsehood. We've got an issue with you criticising someone else for assuming something does what the developer says it does.

[Drasca]

If you're in the market for a 4x4, why on Earth would I test drive a car advertised as a 2WD? Using Penguin's analogy, if I'm in the market for a manual car, why on Earth would I be test driving a car advertised as automatic?

 

Because, reasons. The perceptive whims and needs of the consumer change, and so do the specs and capabilities of equipment in question when you examine why you have those need and discover how to fulfill those needs. There is also a bigger issue underneath between perception and communication between parties involved.

 

I might test drive a 2WD sports car just for kicks or information gathering later on. There is no commitment to purchase, and especially at any one particular dealer. I would have plenty of time on my hands to test drive, because I would not be test driving without spare time on my hands (I'd be renting or taxi'ing if I needed that moment). Specific to cars, there's also semi-automatic cars that allow both manual and automatic transmission. More specifically, if I were offered to test drive the new Tesla Vehicles, I would do so in a heartbeat. Sooooo want instant torque.

 

There is a huge gap between consumer perception, marketing, engineering, quality assurance and third party field tested specs. Ideally the consumer is well informed, and the marketed features are not deceptive, and there's tight communication between all three parties... but that's not how real life works all the time. In the case of MP ability descriptions, they can be outright false because there's been failure in communication between the marketing and engineering departments.... the people that wrote the descriptions and those that programmed the abilities, and those that tested them afterward.

 

There are people mad because they don't understand how things work, and expect face value to always be true. That is very simple and naive way of understanding things. While I would like an ideal world where all communication was true and no miscommunication ever happened to cause descriptions and understanding to be false, that is not how life works.

 

 

because the manufacturer told us so

 

Recently Nvidia had discovered an error with their marketing department mislabeled the specs of one of their high end products, and the error went undetected for about four months. There's no change in overall tested performance, but perceived specifications are less than originally advertised. Nvidia is currently in full damage control mode for brand image as certain people cried foul.

 

http://anandtech.com...mory-allocation

 

Even the Manufacturer can miscommunicate. For cars, recalls happen for parts and cars when defects are found. You may expect everything is fine and dandy, but why then do we have warranties and consumer protection laws? The element of risk is always present, and sound judgement comes from balancing risk with the total picture of needs, not  from assuming everything is correct as advertised.

[actionhero112]

 

Why on Earth would they expect the ability to do something completely different?

 

 

 

Because they have a duty to make sure the information they're saying is correct when they endorse or disparage it on a public forum for the game. Why should anyone trust anyone else if no one actually does research into the things they are saying? 

 

When I read the damage formula for this game, I didn't personally go into the files and do it myself. I trusted that person's information was correct. I expect that people know what they're talking about because I rely on that information to make decisions.

 

This kind of excuse. This 'passing the buck,' that you're so fond of. "It's not his fault, he was just reiterating what the game said." This is wrong. You are responsible for what you say and do, especially when it affects other people's decisions.  

[Kenny Bania]

Because they have a duty to make sure the information they're saying is correct when they endorse or disparage it on a public forum for the game. Why should anyone trust anyone else if no one actually does research into the things they are saying? 

 

When I read the damage formula for this game, I didn't personally go into the files and do it myself. I trusted that person's information was correct. I expect that people know what they're talking about because I rely on that information to make decisions.

 

This kind of excuse. This 'passing the buck,' that you're so fond of. "It's not his fault, he was just reiterating what the game said." This is wrong. You are responsible for what you say and do, especially when it affects other people's decisions.  

 

What??!!???? Passing the buck?

 

So you trust the damage formula posted, but have an issue with someone trusting the description of an ability from the freaking game developer? You don't see how hypocritical that is?

[actionhero112]

What??!!???? Passing the buck?

 

So you trust the damage formula posted, but have an issue with someone trusting the description of an ability from the freaking game developer? You don't see how hypocritical that is?

 Bioware is also at fault for creating descriptions that are misleading and in some cases downright wrong. They are also culpable for the numerous bugs that exist.

 

Just because Bioware also created misinformation, does not mean you can create misinformation.

 

If someone corrected me on the damage formula that I trust is correct, I would then correct myself and the posts I could remember that had the misinformation. I would not make excuses like a child. We should all be accountable for the things we say and do. 

[Kenny Bania]

 Bioware is also at fault for creating descriptions that are misleading and in some cases downright wrong. They are also culpable for the numerous bugs that exist.

 

Just because Bioware also created misinformation, does not mean you can create misinformation.

 

If someone corrected me on the damage formula that I trust is correct, I would then correct myself and the posts I could remember that had the misinformation. I would not make excuses like a child. We should all be accountable for the things we say and do. 

 

Good Lord!!!!

 

What are you blathering on about now? Of course Bioware is responsible for the misinformation, and of course it needs to be corrected.

 

The equivalent scenario would be you mentioning something about the damage numbers, someone correcting you, and asking where you could've got that information. You would obviously bring up the thread you read right?

[actionhero112]

Good Lord!!!!

 

What are you blathering on about now? Of course Bioware is responsible for the misinformation, and of course it needs to be corrected.

 

The equivalent scenario would be you mentioning something about the damage numbers, someone correcting you, and asking where you could've got that information. You would obviously bring up the thread you read right?

Yes, and I would also admit that I was also wrong for trusting in that information and spreading it and would reconsider information from that source in the future. This is what happens when you lose trust. This is why I'm surprised when I find out people still trust Bioware descriptions when they've already had that trust broken several times.

Now let's apply what we've learned.

 

When Bioware mislead people they were? wrong, yes. good job.

 

When Timmy spread that wrong information he was? also wrong. good job. 

 

Now why is Timmy responsible for that wrong information? Because he presented it as correct and other people trusted him. 

 

A+

[Kenny Bania]

Yes

 

That's all I needed to hear. You can save the rest of the thesis for someone who cares.

[Catastrophy]

Whoa, the thread title didn't reall

 

Yes, and I would also admit that I was also wrong for trusting in that information and spreading it and would reconsider information from that source in the future. This is what happens when you lose trust. This is why I'm surprised when I find out people still trust Bioware descriptions when they've already had that trust broken several times.

Now let's apply what we've learned.

 

When Bioware mislead people they were? wrong, yes. good job.

 

When Timmy spread that wrong information he was? also wrong. good job. 

 

Now why is Timmy responsible for that wrong information? Because he presented it as correct and other people trusted him. 

 

A+

Whoa, leave Timmy out of it.

[tinler]

Nobody is criticising you for correcting the falsehood. We've got an issue with you criticising someone else for assuming something does what the developer says it does.

 

That would be an agreeable stateement...except that it's getting to be common knowledge that the tooltips and item descriptions are not to be trusted (bugs, undocumented facet, or outright wrong effects).  

 

Don't you agree that misinformation should be corrected?

Don't you agree that the spread of misinformation should be corrected?

[Kenny Bania]

That would be an agreeable stateement...except that it's getting to be common knowledge that the tooltips and item descriptions are not to be trusted (bugs, undocumented facet, or outright wrong effects).  

 

Don't you agree that misinformation should be corrected?

Don't you agree that the spread of misinformation should be corrected?

 

What on Earth are you blathering on about?