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Darius M.

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I was just wondering this as I was playing through the campaign again: Do you ever wonder about how C-Sec is SO incompetent? I mean, on paper this should be an off-the-charts, badass organization. Over 200,000 agents from almost every species, almost all of whom have military training from across the galaxy. Yet let's look at their resume. I'm sure there are many more examples, but off the top of my head:
 
ME1: 
  • Shepard has multiple firefights in the Wards, and an all-out assault on Chora's Den without so much as a single officer responding to or ever even reporting it. 
  • Can't get a simple Hanar religious protester to leave an area. 
  • I tend to give them a bit of slack for Sovereign's attack, but still very poor response both in space and on the "ground" with boarding Geth.
ME2: 
  • It would've taken Elementary school logic and literally about 20 steps to find the guy's credit chit, but officer is utterly stumped... uhhhhhh, the Quarian took it!  
  • Legion, an ACTIVE GETH PLATFORM walks aboard and through a scanning tunnel without a second glance. -_-
  • Garrus's mission has you fighting a small army of Blue Suns... and ends with a public assassination. Again, zero C-Sec response. 
ME3: (Goodness, way too many here, but the big ones for me were)
  • That Batarian Galak successfully holds you at gunpoint mere FEET from armed guards during wartime.
  • Cerberus would've completely owned the Citadel and its leadership if not for Jesus's (Shepard's)return.
  • Cat-6... well, all of Cat-6's involvement

I get that they have to play by the rules, but I don't think "Red tape" should excuse all of the inability we see. What do you all think? I guess my question is 2-fold: With all these in mind, What did you think of C-Sec's capability, and if you were in charge, how would you improve this organization?



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C-Sec are space cops and as such get saddled with the same sort of incompetancy that normal movie cops often do. Not sure you can anything about it, lol.
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I see only one way to "fix" them - a rule to not allow guns on the Citadel (which is actually in place except not carried out). Meaning no shooting missions on the Citadel. 



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Compared to the similar levels of incompetence we see from everyone else in the universe including the Reapers, Shadow Broker, Council, Alliance, mercenary groups, and especially Cerberus -- they seem par for the course.


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All Plot Twists OP...

 

I was just wondering this as I was playing through the campaign again: Do you ever wonder about how C-Sec is SO incompetent? I mean, on paper this should be an off-the-charts, badass organization. Over 200,000 agents from almost every species, almost all of whom have military training from across the galaxy. Yet let's look at their resume. I'm sure there are many more examples, but off the top of my head:
 
ME1: 
  • Shepard has multiple firefights in the Wards, and an all-out assault on Chora's Den without so much as a single officer responding to or ever even reporting it. 
  • Can't get a simple Hanar religious protester to leave an area. 
  • I tend to give them a bit of slack for Sovereign's attack, but still very poor response both in space and on the "ground" with boarding Geth.
ME2: 
  • It would've taken Elementary school logic and literally about 20 steps to find the guy's credit chit, but officer is utterly stumped... uhhhhhh, the Quarian took it!  
  • Legion, an ACTIVE GETH PLATFORM walks aboard and through a scanning tunnel without a second glance. -_-
  • Garrus's mission has you fighting a small army of Blue Suns... and ends with a public assassination. Again, zero C-Sec response. 
ME3: (Goodness, way too many here, but the big ones for me were)
  • That Batarian Galak successfully holds you at gunpoint mere FEET from armed guards during wartime.
  • Cerberus would've completely owned the Citadel and its leadership if not for Jesus's (Shepard's)return.
  • Cat-6... well, all of Cat-6's involvement

I get that they have to play by the rules, but I don't think "Red tape" should excuse all of the inability we see. What do you all think? I guess my question is 2-fold: With all these in mind, What did you think of C-Sec's capability, and if you were in charge, how would you improve this organization?

 

 

1-Why would they? It's just a normal firefight in a normal day... Maybe someone got pissed off at the bar.. Not worth investigating. Plus, it may seem Fist bribes C-Sec to keep an eye out of that place.

 

2-Because Shepard could then get XP and Medi-Gel. And a quest!

 

3- C-Sec is primally formed(in ME1, at least) with Council Races Right? So, they went to their dreadnoughts and such... As for Humans, they were in the other area of the Citadel defending people.

 

4-Xenophoby. 

 

5-No one really cares.. He's with Commander Shepard after all...

 

6-Again, Garrus is with Shepard... Also note how Civilians handle it well, like another day in Omega... Lol. Plot twist: They aren't on Omega.

 

7-If the C-Sec Agent interfered(I'm counting like he even existed), Balak would probably kill Shepard. He had a gun right to the Commander's Skull...

 

8-It would, but it was an internal attack, so they can be excused...

 

9-Yeah, Shepard needed to stop them.

 

#PlotReasons!



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I was just wondering this as I was playing through the campaign again: Do you ever wonder about how C-Sec is SO incompetent? I mean, on paper this should be an off-the-charts, badass organization. Over 200,000 agents from almost every species, almost all of whom have military training from across the galaxy. Yet let's look at their resume. I'm sure there are many more examples, but off the top of my head:
 
ME1: 
  • Shepard has multiple firefights in the Wards, and an all-out assault on Chora's Den without so much as a single officer responding to or ever even reporting it. 
  • Can't get a simple Hanar religious protester to leave an area. 
  • I tend to give them a bit of slack for Sovereign's attack, but still very poor response both in space and on the "ground" with boarding Geth.
ME2: 
  • It would've taken Elementary school logic and literally about 20 steps to find the guy's credit chit, but officer is utterly stumped... uhhhhhh, the Quarian took it!  
  • Legion, an ACTIVE GETH PLATFORM walks aboard and through a scanning tunnel without a second glance. -_-
  • Garrus's mission has you fighting a small army of Blue Suns... and ends with a public assassination. Again, zero C-Sec response. 
ME3: (Goodness, way too many here, but the big ones for me were)
  • That Batarian Galak successfully holds you at gunpoint mere FEET from armed guards during wartime.
  • Cerberus would've completely owned the Citadel and its leadership if not for Jesus's (Shepard's)return.
  • Cat-6... well, all of Cat-6's involvement

I get that they have to play by the rules, but I don't think "Red tape" should excuse all of the inability we see. What do you all think? I guess my question is 2-fold: With all these in mind, What did you think of C-Sec's capability, and if you were in charge, how would you improve this organization?

 

 

Here's one unpopular idea: restrict human traffic and housing from the citadel and forbid them from working in C-Sec. Think about it.

 

ME1:

 

1. Shepard has multiple firefights in the Wards, and an all-out assault on Chora's Den without so much as a single officer responding to or ever even reporting it.

 

A: Shepard, human. The thugs in Chora's Den? Mostly human. Fist, the thug in charge of them? Human. The thugs who even hold a clinic doctor at gun point and take her hostage? Human.

 

2. Can't get a simple Hanar religious protester to leave an area.

 

A: Fair point. Though you have to give the turian credit. He's been arguing with it for hours and it hasn't resulted in violence. That's a fair shake better than what our real police force can say. He's trying to be reasonable about it. I can also understand why it may be a touchy issue. It's never easy when you bring religion into it. Especially when we're talking about a species as religious as the hanar.

 

Plus, this isn't necessarily something to blame on all of C-Sec. It was one turian who was trying to handle the situation himself, peacefully, to impress his superiors in hopes of getting a promotion. If he had just called it quits and had someone else step in they likely would had resolved the matter.

 

3. I tend to give them a bit of slack for Sovereign's attack, but still very poor response both in space and on the "ground" with boarding Geth.

 

A: Maybe the ones on the ground were more concerned about a human mutiny since a human marched into the human embassy, knocked out the ambassador, highjacked the controls and let free someone that was deemed, at the time, as an unstable and dangerous threat that could potentially trigger a war with the terminus systems... who also, btw, was human.

 

Dun dun dunnnnn.

 

 

ME2:

 

1. It would've taken Elementary school logic and literally about 20 steps to find the guy's credit chit, but officer is utterly stumped... uhhhhhh, the Quarian took it! 

 

A: Of course, he's earth-clan.

 

2. Legion, an ACTIVE GETH PLATFORM walks aboard and through a scanning tunnel without a second glance.

 

A: Isn't that particular ward's C-Sec practically ran by Bailey? A human. Who lets a crime boss (also human) get away as long as he gives him bribes? Coincidentally the head of the front desk that actually calls Legion a assistant mech after talking of the threat of geth attack was a human.

 

3. Blue Suns, a merc operation created and lead by a human. The ones on the citadel in this mission were working for Fist, also human. Who allowed and indeed even set up the assassination in a public area? A human.

 

 

ME3:

 

1. That Batarian Galak successfully holds you at gunpoint mere FEET from armed guards during wartime.

 

A: The C-Sec officer tracking him down and letting him actually point a gun at Shepard in the first place? A human. A human that actually went to another human (Shepard) for help with a C-Sec matter. Granted he is a spectre, though. Still, human involvement in a messy situation.

 

2. Cerberus would've completely owned the Citadel and its leadership if not for Jesus's (Shepard's)return.

 

A: Cerberus, a radical pro-human, anti-alien organization. Humans, again. All this because the HUMAN councilor betrayed everyone.

 

Coincidentally the only reason the situation with the council goes the way it does is because Bailey, human, gives Shepard bad information. He told us that Cerberus was on the elevator and coming up. Then he comes bursting through, potentially after we shot the councilor and the VS, and is all like "oh, they ran off when they saw WE were coming for 'em." Great news, pal, would had been REALLY useful for you to radio that in to us before you came bursting through the door you said Cerberus was behind.

 

3. Cat-6... well, all of Cat-6's involvement

 

A: A bunch of human rejects. By the way, these human criminals actually manage to get into the citadel archive because they managed to con a human spectre.

 

 

 

In summery: humans are a blight! :lol:


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I'd start with Dreadnoughts as standard patrol craft for everyone and M-622 Avalanches as primary arms ("FREEZE!!!"). M-920 CAINs and full-auto Avengers for the special response teams.


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Valmar,I am swayed by your wisdom. Lol. Get rid of humans and you remove like 95% of the problem... Holy cow, who knew that Omega Preacher was right after all...



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All Plot Twists OP...

 

1-Why would they? It's just a normal firefight in a normal day... Maybe someone got pissed off at the bar.. Not worth investigating. Plus, it may seem Fist bribes C-Sec to keep an eye out of that place.

 

2-Because Shepard could then get XP and Medi-Gel. And a quest!

 

3- C-Sec is primally formed(in ME1, at least) with Council Races Right? So, they went to their dreadnoughts and such... As for Humans, they were in the other area of the Citadel defending people.

 

4-Xenophoby. 

 

5-No one really cares.. He's with Commander Shepard after all...

 

6-Again, Garrus is with Shepard... Also note how Civilians handle it well, like another day in Omega... Lol. Plot twist: They aren't on Omega.

 

7-If the C-Sec Agent interfered(I'm counting like he even existed), Balak would probably kill Shepard. He had a gun right to the Commander's Skull...

8-It would, but it was an internal attack, so they can be excused...

 

9-Yeah, Shepard needed to stop them.

 

#PlotReasons!

Hahaha, thank you this is going to make my week, I can just see it now. 



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In summery: humans are a blight! :lol:

 

 

Valmar,I am swayed by your wisdom. Lol. Get rid of humans and you remove like 95% of the problem... Holy cow, who knew that Omega Preacher was right after all...

 

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PS: Not The Mad Prophet, but that's the best I could come up with :P



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I think this sort of thing is "plot convenience" that's standard in a lot of video games.  While I commend you for wanting to bring in some "realism" to the game by having C-Sec respond I'm willing to ignore it.  I know I shouldn't but that's "my problem".

 

Then again Valmar seems to have something with his line of reasoning ... I wish I could pick up on the common thread :)


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It's a video game. Everybody but the protagonist is incompetent to a ridicioulus degree so that said protagonist can save their ass/look awesome in comparison. Shortly called the NPC syndrome.

If everyone was competent in the MEU then 1) Shepard would be dead 5 minutes after the opening of ME1 because Sovereign would just have blown up the beacon and everything around it himself insted of letting the Geth place bombs with a timer and flying away for no reason. 2) If they somehow made it to ME2 (which would never happen if the Reapers acted even somewhat competent just once) the alliance would just search the archives on Mars earlier, build the crubcile and have it ready long before the Reapers made it to the galaxy and Shepards dead corpse could in the meanwhile rot in space. Or if S/he survived because Joker wasn't being incometent either s/he would probably clear out Treshermaws or pirates on some backwater colony for the alliance because the higher ups had everything under control without her/Him anyways.



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Stop using ridiculous rehashed animations. Maybe C-Sec could actually do more.



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Plot, writers, protagonist, and unimportant people.

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I'd replace them all with YMIR mechs. It'd be like a legion of ED-209's on the Citadel.


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I'd replace them all with YMIR mechs. It'd be like a legion of ED-209's on the Citadel.


The geth and Reapers would likely have hacked them with ease.

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The geth and Reapers would likely have hacked them with ease.

 

Or, you know, any criminal with a bit of a tech background.



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Well first of all, I wouldn't let a soldier (Spectre or not) carrying a nuclear weapon (Cain) and a full arsenal of other weapons on the Citadel, especially on the Presidium. That damn thing brought down a Hades Cannon, just imagine what damage it could do on the station.

Also a geth with a Widow is a little too much too, probably wouldn't let that one slide either...


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I'd replace them all with YMIR mechs. It'd be like a legion of ED-209's on the Citadel.

Lol I think THIS would be seven shades of AWESOME. At the very least C-Sec could use many MANY more on hand :) and for those who said they could get hacked easily, yeah... but gotta get past the armor first (At least by ME2 rules)



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The geth and Reapers would likely have hacked them with ease.


In my post-war galaxy, both are extinct. A criminal could do it, but criminals buy off regular C-Sec guys anyway.
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