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[dorktainian]

All this talk about leviathan influencing the design still doesn't explain why the decision chamber exists.

it doesn't.

[themikefest]

IIRC the Catalyst mentions that the device is damaged with low EMS.

That's only if ems is below 1750. Why can't synthesis exist at 2600 or 2700 ems?

[Vazgen]

That's only if ems is below 1750. Why can't synthesis exist at 2600 or 2700 ems?

I'll take a guess and assume that it takes damage but not as extensive as in below 1750. Nothing supporting that in the game but it makes some sense

[TMA LIVE]

So here's Synthesis with Renegade options used. Seems the Wreav's outcome is the same as the one in Control, where the Reapers took out his army. And the Genophage gets cured, despite being destroying the cure in the main game. But since there's no Wrex and Eve, we don't get those cool buildings they made.

 

But yeah, no brainwashing from what I can see.

 

https://www.youtube....Q-Y_U3pTw#t=808

[von uber]

Watching that, which bit of EDI is alive? The ship or the sexbot? Or both?

[TMA LIVE]

Watching that, which bit of EDI is alive? The ship or the sexbot? Or both?

 

Well, the Bluebox is in the Normandy, so it's the ship. Though that body she controls Leviathan style probably now has perks.

[Vazgen]

20 years later, Joker sits in some shady bar on Omega

"Our own ship turned against us. Tangling the crew, wrapping them like snakes... and wrapping around my leg! But my arms were free and my knife was still in my hand. I am the master of my ship, not EDI. I am the master of my fate, not EDI! So I did what needed done... I survived."

[TMA LIVE]

I just know that Synthesis sucks and it should never have existed

terrible option everyone's green, the reapers and husks and banshees are suddenly BF's with everyone

 

there is no individuality anymore its shown as an utopia

forcing this on the whole galaxy is just wrong on so many levels

EDI's "I'm alive" is also cringe worthy

 

Everyone is still an individual. Edi is still Edi. Wrex is still Wrex, etc. The only difference is that they've changed, and they now glow.

[Reorte]

An individual with possibly less privacy than before, and certainly changed from the people they were.

[Vazgen]

An individual with possibly less privacy than before, and certainly changed from the people they were.

Is it bad?

[Reorte]

Is it bad?

You need to ask that?

[fhs33721]

Everyone is still an individual. Edi is still Edi. Wrex is still Wrex, etc. The only difference is that they've changed, and they now glow.

Sssshhh, let him headcanon his doomsday naysaying that actively contradicts the actual epilogue. Everyone knows that if everyone is colored green and partly synthetic but still retains his/her former perosonality and even looks (green glowing skin aside) t it is the same as "no individuality".

Also I'd advise some people to actually pick up a dictionary and see what the words "no" and "individuality" mean. You keep using them but I don't think you know what they mean.

[Vazgen]

You need to ask that?

Yes, because it can be both good and bad. We don't know how it works.

Example - Internet. We certainly has less privacy today than we had before its appearance. I, however, view Internet as a good thing. 

And people constantly change. An event with a certain weight to it might change a person so drastically you might not even recognize him/her. And it can be both a change in both good and bad direction.

[Reorte]

Fair enough, thought for a moment that you didn't view those things as bad themselves. Asking if the benefits outweigh the negatives is a different and decent question.

Things can change people. That is no justification for imposing a change on them. This place is full of arguments that'll never get resolved to the satisfication of all concerned but I wouldn't want everyone to agree with me just because I had some magic that changed their minds to agree with me. If I persuade someone to change then great. At most I'd be open to the possibility of it being the lesser evil in extreme circumstances.

[Vazgen]

Fair enough, thought for a moment that you didn't view those things as bad themselves. Asking if the benefits outweigh the negatives is a different and decent question.

Things can change people. That is no justification for imposing a change on them. This place is full of arguments that'll never get resolved to the satisfication of all concerned but I wouldn't want everyone to agree with me just because I had some magic that changed their minds to agree with me. If I persuade someone to change then great. At most I'd be open to the possibility of it being the lesser evil in extreme circumstances.

Imposing a change of perspective is not a good thing, I agree. But we don't know anything about how Synthesis works. We see the wave and the slides, nothing about what happens in-between.

What if Synthesis, say, makes people connected to each other and the world around them? Give them some sort of extraordinary sensory ability. Something like the Internet, only on a more basic, cellular level, non-reliant on extra hardware. Having such a connection to others and the world you live in can change your perspective on a lot of questions. Thus, your character is changed. But it is not changed forcefully through the Synthesis wave. It's something your mind comes to realize based on the new information from that sensory ability.

The point is, Synthesis is not explained. At all. We can speculate on it as long as we want but it's all pure theory.

I prefer shooting the tube myself

[Han Shot First]

The whole decision chamber finale was silly from a perspective of the Crucible's design. Why would you design it to perform three entirely different functions, when only one was needed? That seems like it would be a violation of KISS for starters. 

 

The devs would have been better off locking in one solution to the Reapers and building the series towards that conclusion. Have player choices instead impact things of smaller scale, similar to how in DA:O's finale there was only one method of dealing with the archdemon, but player choices impacted factions in the game or characters you encountered. 

[Reorte]

Doing that would be a massive, massive imposed change on a person (one that I find pretty revolting). The only advantage I can see is that it would probably shorten arguments like this one, if you could easily understand other peoples' points of view completely (I'm not convinced that it's possible to ever fully describe exactly how you feel about something). Whether that, purely taken on its own, would be good or bad I've no idea. Perhaps it would reduce conflict, perhaps it would make some people so horrified of some others that there would be lots more conflict.

[TMA LIVE]

I more of look at Synthesis as imposing the same change on the Quarians or the Salarians. Don't want to live with Geth? Deal with it. Don't want the Krogan cured? Deal with it.

 

You also alter all them without any choice. Does every Krogan want to be cured of the Genophage? If not, you better not be on the home world because Shepard and crew forced that one on you. Do you want to be cured? Well, Shepard took that option away from you if Renegade. Does every Geth agree to be upgraded to become more "alive"? Well, Legion seems to think so and does it if you let him.

 

Synthesis I see as making a similar choice, except it's "everyone". It's the entire galaxy that's forced to change. And for some, that's too big to make a force on, and for good reason.

[GalacticWolf5]

The whole decision chamber finale was silly from a perspective of the Crucible's design. Why would you design it to perform three entirely different functions, when only one was needed?

The Crucible is just a power source. The decision chamber is part of the Citadel.

[o Ventus]

Some fans call it space magic. I like to think of it as some form of advanced controlled energy that alters genetics.

"Advanced controlled energy" that is somehow capable of carefully inserting artificial technology into an organisms body spontaneously and instantly, without harming the organism (as seen in the ending monologue).

 

So what then, is it alchemy?

[o Ventus]

 

How adding green bits to DNA somehow bridges that understanding I have no idea.

The same way that adding another chromosome to the human genome turns them all into either super heroes or demons, like in that god-awful DOOM movie adaptation.

[Vazgen]

Doing that would be a massive, massive imposed change on a person (one that I find pretty revolting). The only advantage I can see is that it would probably shorten arguments like this one, if you could easily understand other peoples' points of view completely (I'm not convinced that it's possible to ever fully describe exactly how you feel about something). Whether that, purely taken on its own, would be good or bad I've no idea. Perhaps it would reduce conflict, perhaps it would make some people so horrified of some others that there would be lots more conflict.

I can't comment on how I would feel about that ability because I don't know how it works. I know that I like the idea but I'm unsure whether I'll like the execution or not. There are too many variables to consider and not enough information to base our study upon.

Personally, I don't like Synthesis. Not because of the changes it makes but because it is completely unexplained and requires you to blindly believe in it. And with so many unknowns my Shepards would never go for it.

[Reorte]

That's certainly a big issue with it. Such a big idea really needs to go into a bit more detail and bring up the different points of view on it.

[TMA LIVE]

I can't comment on how I would feel about that ability because I don't know how it works. I know that I like the idea but I'm unsure whether I'll like the execution or not. There are too many variables to consider and not enough information to base our study upon.

Personally, I don't like Synthesis. Not because of the changes it makes but because it is completely unexplained and requires you to blindly believe in it. And with so many unknowns my Shepards would never go for it.

 

It's definitely one of the reasons why I wish something like Synthesis was more setup, so we would have a better understanding of the pros and cons before given the choice. Because the choice as is, it's very leap of faith. You're hoping the Catalyst isn't just tricking you into killing yourself, or lying to you. You're hoping this change it's talking about doesn't have any nasty side effects. And you're also hoping it'll stop the Reapers from attacking. There's too much to create doubt to just make a leap of faith on.