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[GithCheater]

Gaming is good for your health!!! ... 

 

http://www.chicagotr...ory.html#page=1

 

I found the following quote especially poignant, as Bioware puts so much effort into believable character and "inner ethics"

 

"(Games) helped me discover what my inner ethics are, what choices I would make in particular situations," he said. "What I've found is I generally try to resolve things peacefully. … You can grow emotional attachment to the characters, and that's not a bad thing. It proves they can give humanization to a bunch of polygons."

[Andres Hendrix]

I think for the last few gaming generations, video games have been taking over the ethical role that Novels used to fill. Novels have always been great for ethical thought experiments e.g. Nabokov's Lolita etc. My problem with this, is that video games do not have the same artistry nor do they cover the wide range of subjects that novels can. Video games are limited to very particular tropes, and pander greatly to a status quo demographic. I doubt that we will see a Joyceian video game, or a Flaubert type video game anytime soon.

[Seraphim24]

I doubt that we will see a Joyceian video game, or a Flaubert type video game anytime soon.

 

Thank god for that, HS/College English is boring enough as is..

[Phoe77]

I wish that more people would think of it this way.  Gaming encompasses much more than jumping on goombas or shooting at enemy soldiers.  

[o Ventus]

Thank god for that, HS/College English is boring enough as is..

And English was my favorite class, along with History.

 

Which, I think, makes me one of 7 people in the entire world who enjoyed English and History more than their electives.

 

But then I also really liked my Economics class.

[Andres Hendrix]

Thank god for that, HS/College English is boring enough as is..

Joyce and Flaubert are boring? Flaubert (who was French) who wrote, "Language is a cracked kettle on which we beat out crude tunes for bears to dance to, while we long to make a music that will melt the stars." Or Joyce who wrote, "One by one they were all becoming shades. Better pass boldly into that other world, in the full glory of some passion, than fade and wither dismally with age.” The intellectual condition of my peers is much worse than I thought, if they won't take the time to discover such incredible lines.

[Shelondias]

Thank god for that, HS/College English is boring enough as is..

Now now it's not all bad.
My existence certainly would have been missing something had I not been exposed to the likes of Coleridge, Homer, Tolkien, and the ever prolific 'Unknown'.
There's plenty of great stuff in the literary canon, one just has to sift through the snore fest to find them lol

[Shelondias]

But then I also really liked my Economics class.

Oh man you really are an oddity XD

[Seraphim24]

Joyce and Flaubert are boring? Flaubert (who was French) who wrote, "Language is a cracked kettle on which we beat out crude tunes for bears to dance to, while we long to make a music that will melt the stars." Or Joyce who wrote, "One by one they were all becoming shades. Better pass boldly into that other world, in the full glory of some passion, than fade and wither dismally with age.” The intellectual condition of my peers is much worse than I thought, if they won't take the time to discover such incredible lines.

 

OH mercy? Have'est thou I offended thee? Were not the stars and spangles most efficacious, the splendifery most righteous, and the ers'while dancing snow flies a wick and willow from the earl'ing Bosom most tendentious. Prithee a Dorito for my cup, and a willow tree to be frolicked upon and the ewe to dry up our most salt sworn tears.

 

No I'm afraid I stand by my comment that I found the mass of it pretty boring.

[Sylvius the Mad]

And English was my favorite class, along with History.

 

Which, I think, makes me one of 7 people in the entire world who enjoyed English and History more than their electives.

 

But then I also really liked my Economics class.

I counted those as electives.  I loaded up my schedule with as much math and science as I could to avoid them.

[KaiserShep]

Prithee a Dorito for my cup, and a willow tree to be frolicked upon and the ewe to dry up our most salt sworn tears.

 

If the BSN was a physical room we could enter, I could see this being inscribed on the plaque mounted on the door.

[In Exile]

Joyce and Flaubert are boring? Flaubert (who was French) who wrote, "Language is a cracked kettle on which we beat out crude tunes for bears to dance to, while we long to make a music that will melt the stars." Or Joyce who wrote, "One by one they were all becoming shades. Better pass boldly into that other world, in the full glory of some passion, than fade and wither dismally with age.” The intellectual condition of my peers is much worse than I thought, if they won't take the time to discover such incredible lines.

The lines aren't incredible. Once you pass through the complex syntax and vocabulary necessary to parse them neither says something uniquely deep. I agree that each is impressive in how it uses English to express a relatively simple idea - but that's something of interest solely to those particularly interested in English construction.

[KaiserShep]

I counted those as electives.  I loaded up my schedule with as much math and science as I could to avoid them.

As an art major, I was basically a glutton for frivolity, or so I was told.

[Andres Hendrix]

The lines aren't incredible. Once you pass through the complex syntax and vocabulary necessary to parse them neither says something uniquely deep. I agree that each is impressive in how it uses English to express a relatively simple idea - but that's something of interest solely to those particularly interested in English construction.

Flaubert was French, I translated the line roughly into English. The other line is the last in Joyce's Dubliners, if you consider it with the whole of the short stories it is a beautiful piece of writing. As for what you are trying to do, you are either trolling or you are devoid of a literary sensibility.

[Andres Hendrix]

OH mercy? Have'est thou I offended thee? Were not the stars and spangles most efficacious, the splendifery most righteous, and the ers'while dancing snow flies a wick and willow from the earl'ing Bosom most tendentious. Prithee a Dorito for my cup, and a willow tree to be frolicked upon and the ewe to dry up our most salt sworn tears.

 

No I'm afraid I stand by my comment that I found the mass of it pretty boring.

Offended, you don't have what it takes to do that. That would involve something close to the sensibility that you have already denounced.

[Phoe77]

As a science major, I found it rather tiresome to have to defend my appreciation for literature and other "liberal arts" disciplines.  Eloquence and a command of language are undervalued skills if you ask me.  

 

That doesn't mean I like literary snobs though.  

[In Exile]

Flaubert was French, I translated the line roughly into English. The other line is the last in Joyce's Dubliners, if you consider it with the whole of the short stories it is a beautiful piece of writing. As for what you are trying to do, you are either trolling or you are devoid of a literary sensibility.

I'm aware Flaubert was French but you translated the line and so I figured we were agreed that we were using "English" as a placeholder for language.

The veneration of "literary sensibility" is out of place. It's a particular form of expression but it's not particularly noteworthy beyond convention. Like with music, it's impressive or not from a technical point of view if it's a form of expression you're interested in studying and exploring.

Once you remove the embedded moral connotations, "literally sensibility" is just a fancy way of saying that the construction and use of language is a hobby. That it happens to get associated with intellectualism is an accident of history. Anything can become the subject of academic study.

[Il Divo]

As a science major, I found it rather tiresome to have to defend my appreciation for literature and other "liberal arts" disciplines.  Eloquence and a command of language are undervalued skills if you ask me.  

 

That doesn't mean I like literary snobs though.  

 

Agreed. Command of language is also critical in the sciences, speaking as someone who also jumped between science/liberal arts subjects. Still, I found critical reasoning courses a bit more useful in that regard compared to literature. But that was just my experience. 

[Andres Hendrix]

I'm aware Flaubert was French but you translated the line and so I figured we were agreed that we were using "English" as a placeholder for language.

The veneration of "literary sensibility" is out of place. It's a particular form of expression but it's not particularly noteworthy beyond convention. Like with music, it's impressive or not from a technical point of view if it's a form of expression you're interested in studying and exploring.

Once you remove the embedded moral connotations, "literally sensibility" is just a fancy way of saying that the construction and use of language is a hobby. That it happens to get associated with intellectualism is an accident of history. Anything can become the subject of academic study.

You are a Derridean are you? A believer in the cult of performative contradiction. XD

[Seraphim24]

Offended, you don't have what it takes to do that. That would involve something close to the sensibility that you have already denounced.

 

Wow, relax, I'm just poking fun at the idea that if it's not English grade A it's not worthy of attention. I guess if you honestly do believe that novels represent the highest art, I can't imagine what draws you to the DA series where that have nearly naked Succubi and jokes about masturbation and all that. I wasn't actually trying to offend anyone.

 

Nonetheless I like more purely pulpy games and this tendency to inject increasing amounts of "meaning" has seemed to have made them much less meaningful to me. Video games rise was largely due to them being the anti-thesis of what was being taught in schools.

[In Exile]

You are a Derridean are you? A believer in the cult of performative contradiction. XD

I tend to favour deconstructinism as a mode of analysis for a lot of traditionally venerated pursuits but other than the superficially similar critical approach I don't have any actual intellectual connection with Derridean thought or philosophy.

[MikeJW]

I...I just want to play games. I don't need it to be deep, philosophical or explore psyches. I want fun. If games are helping people discover their "inner ethics" then that's both sad and scary since an awareness of that should already be a core of your being. All this intellectual circle jerking going on in games is not going to end well for gaming.

[Phoe77]

I...I just want to play games. I don't need it to be deep, philosophical or explore psyches. I want fun. If games are helping people discover their "inner ethics" then that's both sad and scary since an awareness of that should already be a core of your being. All this intellectual circle jerking going on in games is not going to end well for gaming.

 

Why is it any different than using film or literature or even songs to explore yourself and the world around you?  It's like admitting that video games are a lesser form of media.  

 

The way I see it, it's easy to come up with ideals and values without ever having to have them tested in an emotionally charged situation.  Novels, movies, and other forms of media allow us to simulate those emotionally fraught situations and, in doing so, might lead us to consider things from a different viewpoint than we might if we were just to look at the situation analytically.  

 

Having games with more of a philosophical flair to them is unlikely to make you unable to continue to enjoy games as games.  Just because a game has a philosophical component to it doesn't mean it won't also be fun.  

[o Ventus]

As a science major, I found it rather tiresome to have to defend my appreciation for literature and other "liberal arts" disciplines.  Eloquence and a command of language are undervalued skills if you ask me.  

 

That doesn't mean I like literary snobs though.  

 

Of all the times I get insulted by other people, the one that sticks with me is when someone says "oh, you're just using big words to sound smart!", usually after I say a word that is neither big nor complex.

 

... Unless something like "implore", "confound", or "frivolous" is no longer taught in schools. And I say that last bit as someone who graduated from high school only last year.

[o Ventus]

Why is it any different than using film or literature or even songs to explore yourself and the world around you?  It's like admitting that video games are a lesser form of media.  

 

Quite a lot of people hold this belief, or at least a similar view, with the whole "video games are / are not art" debate.