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[Boatzu]

did they bring back reaver healing during dragon rage? I seen a few people healing while dragon raging today and not just heal on killing.

#revengeofthereaver

#tybioware

[Zorinho20_CRO]

We BSNers are strange folk.So little is needed to please us.Or to rage

[Kenny Bania]

This displeases me.

[Delta 57 Dash]

I've seen this happen on occasion but as far as I know, no.

Haven't tested it since last night though.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

This displeases me.

 

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE

[Kenny Bania]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE

 

Of the dragon variety

[stysiaq]

If that's the case then I'll just bash BioWare for being completely spineless.

[TheSpookyAce]

If that's the case then I'll just bash BioWare for being completely spineless.

And welcome the change at the same time.

[stysiaq]

And welcome the change at the same time.

 

 

Nah, I have 0 games played with the Reaver. If there will be another Qunari character released, it probably will stay this way. I just enjoy my first world problems.

[Shadohz]

If that's the case then I'll just bash BioWare for being completely spineless.

I was rather enjoying irony of the "Reaver is so useless now" followed by "OMG why did you nerf DC" threads. If BW did give in, then I'm adding that to the MP Record Book for "fastest team cave in".

[Infinity61]

Reaver still heals with normal attacks ect... Dragon rage is just the only thing that doesn't specifically heal you.
You can still get hella heals
You can still do insane dps
You just can't do both at the same time by facerolling,

[Kintosi]

Reaver still heals with normal attacks ect... Dragon rage is just the only thing that doesn't specifically heal you.
You can still get hella heals
You can still do insane dps
You just can't do both at the same time by facerolling,

 

pretty much this. Reavers still has two heals. (devour and rampage + attack)

Reaver still has CC with war horn.

Reaver still wrecks with dragon rage. 

 

The only difference is you have to actually THINK to play this class. Dragon Rage was never meant to replace your auto-attack. 

[WangtorioJackson]

I still don't understand why a bottom tier class needed a nerf in the first place. Hell, Reaver was pretty much unusable on Perilous before, and now we can all just forget about it.

[caino221]

Yeah no offence to guys here saying "Reaver still amazing! Don't need no heals on dragonage"
...carry on enjoying threatening, can you survive perilous? Yes. Do you do much good? Not really, but if your willing to have a team carry your reaver on perilous go right ahead and enjoy.

[Beerfish]

I still don't understand why a bottom tier class needed a nerf in the first place. Hell, Reaver was pretty much unusable on Perilous before, and now we can all just forget about it.

Agreed.

[Stinja]

On the Dev Twitch streams, do they ever play Perilous?

http://www.twitch.tv...past_broadcasts

 

I've only ever seen them on Routine, so maybe it's a perception issue, and they think the "weak" characters are fine, because they don't play the higher difficulties much.

[Eldial3los]

Indeed!!!

 

This is why I said, balance should be done with perilous in mind and skills should scale a little with difficulty. The problem is that perilous is not design to allow you to  take damage (Not a lot) therefore melee class with no long range abilities are a crutch for the team. You could still run Reaver as class but you would require to constantly have a  pocket barrier to be effective or simply wait around corners for someone else to agro first. Which means that you are not effective as the other range party members.

 

Basically the longer the range you have to travel before you can engage , the more you are at risk of dying therefore Mage, archers are the best. Rogues have their stealth capability to help but Reaver and Katari have nothing.

 

Yes you could use the terrain + play as opportunist  waiting for the perfect moment to strike but than why complicate yourself and risk dying when you can use and bow class, stealth class or mages.

 

You are basically a melee glass canon with no survivability/ durability on perilous.

[akots1]

did they bring back reaver healing during dragon rage? I seen a few people healing while dragon raging today and not just heal on killing.

#revengeofthereaver

#tybioware

It is somewhat unreliable. If you are not hit at all during DR spam (somebody else has aggro or you lucked out with the horn to panic most of the spawn), it seems that there is some slight healing going on. If you get hit a little bit, it all evens out. Well, if you get hit a lot, well, you know, it does not matter. I'm not sure what is actual secret math behind it, specifically how much rampage heals exactly. Also, lag happens and it is all messed up anyhow, so no matter again.

[akots1]

I still don't understand why a bottom tier class needed a nerf in the first place. Hell, Reaver was pretty much unusable on Perilous before, and now we can all just forget about it.

She's very useable with barrier casters imo. Cannot solo with her but that is not the purpose. If you say, everyone should play AW every game and be content and happy about it. Good thing very few people follow that line of thought. Also, good thing that some actually do follow as they can carry a gold game on a bad day. You know what, never mind. You are right and wrong at the same time.

[WangtorioJackson]

She's very useable with barrier casters imo. Cannot solo with her but that is not the purpose. If you say, everyone should play AW every game and be content and happy about it. Good thing very few people follow that line of thought. Also, good thing that some actually do follow as they can carry a gold game on a bad day. You know what, never mind. You are right and wrong at the same time.

Okay, I will admit like an above poster said already that it's not technically impossible to clear Perilous with a Reaver if you have a team that is capable of carrying you. However, if you do, you will be a burden to everyone else on the team, and will have the potential to be less of a burden with almost any other class.

 

And I never said anything even remotely implying that everyone should play AW every game. Do not put words in my mouth.

[Beerfish]

She's very useable with barrier casters imo. Cannot solo with her but that is not the purpose. If you say, everyone should play AW every game and be content and happy about it. Good thing very few people follow that line of thought. Also, good thing that some actually do follow as they can carry a gold game on a bad day. You know what, never mind. You are right and wrong at the same time.

You just totally changed any and all parameters of the discussion with that opening comment.

 

#1 Have to be in a group with a barrier caster.

#2 Have to hope they are diligent barrier casters that will take care of their up front fighters.

 

I joined a game the other day that had two keepers in it and I switched from keeper to Templar, I don't think they cast one barrier on me the whole match until our wave 4 failure.  (Except if I was standing next to one of them at the start of the wave.)

[akots1]

... Yes you could use the terrain + play as opportunist  waiting for the perfect moment to strike but than why complicate yourself and risk dying when you can use and bow class, stealth class or mages. ...

But-but, I do like to complicate ... myself (does not sound English but whatever) at least on some occasions. If you don't want to complicate ... yourself (I'm not sure what this means still), just play some lol-faceroll-on-the-keyboard to win classes all the time every time. I'm sure this will make you happy by not complicating yourself and me happy by being able to challenge myself and by you carrying the game to victory if I die, so win-win either way.

[haxaw]

Okay, I will admit like an above poster said already that it's not technically impossible to clear Perilous with a Reaver if you have a team that is capable of carrying you. However, if you do, you will be a burden to everyone else on the team, and will have the potential to be less of a burden with almost any other class.

 

This point can't be made strongly enough.

 

Yes, any class can be "viable" with someone else casting Barrier on you. That in no way means the classes are balanced. It's like saying the Katari is on par with every other kit (although now Reaver is scrapin' the bottom with him) because you once did that Perilous run with constant barrier. That speaks more to the strength of Barrier and awareness of that caster than to the strength of the class you were playing.

 

I've said this before, but they really should have just made Dragon Rage do what the tooltip says in terms of health cost and health gained. I think that would have really leveled the playing field but still keeping Reaver viable without relying on the Barrier crutch.

 

As for Kitari, well...in general, buffing Guard and nerfing Barrier a bit would probably solve a lot of the balance problems the game currently has. Probably.

[akots1]

Okay, I will admit like an above poster said already that it's not technically impossible to clear Perilous with a Reaver if you have a team that is capable of carrying you. However, if you do, you will be a burden to everyone else on the team, and will have the potential to be less of a burden with almost any other class.

 

And I never said anything even remotely implying that everyone should play AW every game. Do not put words in my mouth.

I think you are being confused here. There is a class and there is a player who plays that class. A player can be good or bad. A class can be balanced or not balanced well for that difficulty. I think that a reaver played by a good player with minimal team synergy is very funny class to play and is way more fun than anything else. Also, not sure what "burden" means and what you mean by "carrying you"? lol-score? Ability to stay alive? Number of medals? IMO, the only thing that matters in DAI multiplayer is staying alive while doing at least some damage. If you worried about the score you should always play AW or some other class that comes close aka elementalist with firestorm and much screen shake. If your goal is to speed run, then certainly, we are not in the same boat and view the whole thing differently.

[akots1]

You just totally changed any and all parameters of the discussion with that opening comment.

 

#1 Have to be in a group with a barrier caster.

#2 Have to hope they are diligent barrier casters that will take care of their up front fighters.

 

I joined a game the other day that had two keepers in it and I switched from keeper to Templar, I don't think they cast one barrier on me the whole match until our wave 4 failure.  (Except if I was standing next to one of them at the start of the wave.)

In pugs, if I am a keeper, I won't be chasing you and casting my barrier because first priority is my survival and I want to cast that barrier on myself. If you do rush to nuke the spawn on your own without waiting or at least asking, it is your problem. But templar should be more or less fine in terms of survival on her own?

 

Some keepers though are more altruistic and will barrier the front lines. I always admire these kind of people. They are also preciously rare in pugs.