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[haxaw]

Hey boatzu, it's kami. I've never post on the forums lol.

 

What's with all the hate towards the reaver? Boatzu has seen me play Reaver on Perilous. Yes, we know... Reavers cannot tank very well. However, if you have the sufficient accessories and weapons, it can be a viable class on Perilous. You can still fight without barrier. You just need to properly time your abilities. If you do have a barrier, great. Barrier allows you to be a little more cocky in all your attacks. If you don't have barrier, abuse your warhorn and combat roll. Crit to reduce cooldowns, and always keep your LoS if you can't keep warhorn or combat roll up. And remember, Warhorn is the BEST viable way to heal during rampage. 

 

Source: 63 promotes on Reaver

 

The same exact argument is being made on the Katari demonstration thread. Yes, both these classes can be played on Perilous. No, they are not balanced with respect to the other classes.

 

Let me give you a weather-themed analogy: if you had a pile of snow you had to clear out, and I gave you the choice between a spoon and a shovel, which would you choose? But, but, but you can do it with a spoon though! You get my (snow) drift.

[Puffy9999]

63 promotes? good god.. no wonder it freaking works..

[Kami_N]

The same exact argument is being made on the Katari demonstration thread. Yes, both these classes can be played on Perilous. No, they are not balanced with respect to the other classes.

 

Let me give you a weather-themed analogy: if you had a pile of snow you had to clear out, and I gave you the choice between a spoon and a shovel, which would you choose? But, but, but you can do it with a spoon though! You get my (snow) drift.

 

Yes, I get your drift; and I agree. I just wanted to make it clear that Reaver isn't horrible enough to make it unplayable.

 

On Perilous, Reaver requires more gear/effort to scale proportionally with that difficulty. Archers and Mages could handle everything on their own with practically no gear or min/maxing stats. It takes a godsend amount of promotes for cunning/willpower/constitution until you can take full advantage of the reaver. Even with all the bonuses, it still scales with a ranged class that has zero promotes.

 

tl;dr: high risk, high reward class(but not enough reward to become worth it)

[haxaw]

tl;dr: high risk, high reward class(but not enough reward to become worth it)

 

That's my oft-repeated view on both the 2hders right now. Good points in the rest of your post.

[akots1]

I still don't know what you are talking about. I stumbled in silver pugs in a lot of people with insane number of promotions playing archers, elementalists, AWs, etc. I do get consistently around 75+ kills with reaver starting from level 10 with a common maul or a rare great axe as this is all I have. This is silver though. Or course, it is a big difference. Also, I die at least once but usually twice. IIRC, I promoted every class once and I generally plan to stop promoting completely once I found some fun build that works for me. I totally dislike grinding and speed running.

 

Must admit, so far, attempts at perilous reaver pugs were not that promising. It was not totally my fault but I certainly contributed. It seems that combat roll is a better choice than devour. So, like it or not, I might have to promote her again.

[Shelled]

On the Dev Twitch streams, do they ever play Perilous?

http://www.twitch.tv...past_broadcasts

 

I've only ever seen them on Routine, so maybe it's a perception issue, and they think the "weak" characters are fine, because they don't play the higher difficulties much.

its kind of hard to take their "balance" changing seriously when they don't even play the most difficult game mode.

[haxaw]

its kind of hard to take their "balance" changing seriously when they don't even play the most difficult game mode.

 

Dev Weekend Challenge: Play as one class from Lvl 1 to 20, whatever mode(s) they want.

 

That'll show 'em.

[Boatzu]

My opinion on reaver is that he scales insanely well with high promotions but is very hard to play without it. There is a point where promos overcome survivability issues and when more people get there reaver will seem realllly strong

[Kami_N]

My opinion on reaver is that he scales insanely well with high promotions but is very hard to play without it. There is a point where promos overcome survivability issues and when more people get there reaver will seem realllly strong

 

Like when I never die to melee, but get crushed by archers? Promotes are amazing, need to focus on Cunning next xD

[N7 Tigger]

pretty much this. Reavers still has two heals. (devour and rampage + attack)

Reaver still has CC with war horn.

Reaver still wrecks with dragon rage. 

 

The only difference is you have to actually THINK to play this class. Dragon Rage was never meant to replace your auto-attack. 

 

What if I use Devour while Rampage is active?

 

[Altruismo]

My opinion on reaver is that he scales insanely well with high promotions but is very hard to play without it. There is a point where promos overcome survivability issues and when more people get there reaver will seem realllly strong

 

Also incredibly well with good teamwork.

Get a Reaver in a group with someone who's either really good at holding/controlling agro, or really good at barrier, and a Reaver will absolutely destroy everything even without "best in slot" gear the damage output is insane.

Of course, there will still be people that will try and say that a Reaver "needing" team members to be viable in Perilous is "proof" that the class is weak or unbalanced. But seriously, it's a 4 player game and as part of a rounded team the Reaver successfully and very effectively fills the role of main damage dealer all the way to 5/5 completion at the highest difficulty level.

 

Say a group's got a Keeper, Templar and a Hunter, why on earth would they want an AW instead of a Reaver? (think before you attempt to answer that)

 

None of this is meant to sound adversarial to you, Boatzu, I've quoted you solely out of agreement with your point.