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[Br3admax]

What she lacks is common sense. Well I don't know what definition of intelligence of you use but intelligence to me is having knowledge and using it pretty much. 

No, that's not what intelligence means. No definition of intelligence matches that. And while she may lack common sense, she also lacks any sort of sense. As in every kind. She asks the dumbest of questions, does the dumbest of things, and borders on comic relief. She is stupid by almost every definition. 

She does have lot of elven knowledge 

Never demonstrated. 

 

and also is intelligent enough to know how to use it to restore eluvian etc. 

You mean the one that doesn't work?

 

 

To me she's really intelligent but lacks people skills and common sense, and when excited can be careless.

She doesn't even match your definition of intelligent. I am baffled, to say the least. 

[Vit246]

She does try to kill all her friends after accepting the Pride demon's offer in the Fade. That was pretty stupid, especially in light of how she supposedly took every precaution in dealing with demons. I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt until then. I still think her views were interesting, and the knowledge she was seeking was worth it, but in the end I felt like she was the wrong person to be messing around with such potentially dangerous things. I do like her character, and even agree with the idea that blood magic can be a useful tool, but I also think she's far too stubborn and irresponsible to be using it herself.

 

EVERY ONE of your companions tried to kill Hawke in the Feynriel Quest. Everyone failed the willpower check. That part of the quest was dumb.

[Br3admax]

The difference being no one else claimed to be immune to possession or tries to convince you to work with the a sloth demon. 

[Panda]

No, that's not what intelligence means. No definition of intelligence matches that. And while she may lack common sense, she also lacks any sort of sense. As in every kind. She asks the dumbest of questions, does the dumbest of things, and borders on comic relief. She is stupid by almost every definition. 

Never demonstrated. 

You mean the one that doesn't work?

She doesn't even match your definition of intelligent. I am baffled, to say the least. 

 

Well this is close to what I see intelligence at and I think Merrill has lot of that:

 

(uncountable) Capacity of mind, especially to understand principles, truths, facts or meanings, acquire knowledge, and apply it to practice; the ability to learn and comprehend.

 

I don't really think there is anything else stupid about Merrill than her lack of people skills and being too careless at times which are classical things scientist characters lack.

[Fialka]

You must have a low opinion of every companion who attacks Hawke, too.
 

No, it's just that the mage who claims to be so well-versed in demons and 'knows what she's doing' in dealing with them should know better. Again, I don't dislike her, and I would agree that she is intelligent... albeit a bit naive and lacking in common sense. But what happens in the Fade is a mistake she really can't afford to make if she's to convince me she can be trusted to practice blood magic safely.

[Steelcan]

Merrill is intelligent enough to make headway into fixing an ancient Eluvian, how much of it is her own knowledge and not just preserved knowledge I will set aside because we simply don't know.

 

However she is not smart enough to realize that fixing a Blighted artifact that spews the Taint with blood magic learned from a demon that leads to an unknown destination is a poor idea all around

[AutumnWitch]

We do really need a bad girl or bad boy and Sera does not count. I love DA and DAI but DAI was too sanitised for even me and I am Ms. Goody Two Shoes.

[LobselVith8]

No, it's just that the mage who claims to be so well-versed in demons and 'knows what she's doing' in dealing with them should know better. Again, I don't dislike her, and I would agree that she is intelligent... albeit a bit naive and lacking in common sense. But what happens in the Fade is a mistake she really can't afford to make if she's to convince me she can be trusted to practice blood magic safely.

Merrill doesn't abuse her blood magic abilities for several years in Kirkwall. She never brokered a bargain with Audacity. During Inquisition, Merrill is devoting her time to leading and protecting the elves left homeless in the wake of the war.

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Br3admax]

Well this is close to what I see intelligence at and I think Merrill has lot of that:

 

(uncountable) Capacity of mind, especially to understand principles, truths, facts or meanings, acquire knowledge, and apply it to practice; the ability to learn and comprehend.

 

I don't really think there is anything else stupid about Merrill than her lack of people skills and being too careless at times which are classical things scientist characters lack.

That's not close to Merrill at all. While she logically would have elven knowledge, it is not applied anywhere. She has never been shown to use it accurately. And again, her lack of people skills doesn't make her say stupid ****. Her lack of people skills doesn't make her think she can cure the Taint with blood magic from an artifact that killed at least one person. And her lack of people skills doesn't make her think trusting demons is a good idea, because despite her saying otherwise she disagrees with not working with demons, in dialogue mind you, constantly. Stupidity does that. Only stupidity. And while I'd like to pretend she has the capacity to think, she has hardly shown me evidence of such.  

[jellobell]

We do really need a bad girl or bad boy and Sera does not count. I love DA and DAI but DAI was too sanitised for even me and I am Ms. Goody Two Shoes.

Pfffft. Depends on what you mean by "bad boy". I mean, you've got Iron Bull whose romance is literally about him becoming your dom. And if you like deeply troubled characters then you've got both Blackwall and Solas.

 

Dorian likes to think he's a bad boy, but he's a sweetheart with some trust issues.

[Ahalvern]

However she is not smart enough to realize that fixing a Blighted artifact that spews the Taint with blood magic learned from a demon that leads to an unknown destination is a poor idea all around

 

That argument will lead us nowhere. Some of us believe it has the possibility of having a positive effect. All we have are theories however, since we cannot predict the future. Lobselvith8 correctly pointed out in another thread that she cleansed the shard so it's not tainted anymore. Where it will lead to and if it'll be of beneficial, we'll see (or not. dropped plot threads are not that uncommon).

[LobselVith8]

That's not close to Merrill at all. While she logically would have elven knowledge, it is not applied anywhere. She has never been shown to use it accurately. And again, her lack of people skills doesn't make her say stupid ****.

You mean her dry humor? Or the language barrier since Dalish speak elvish, and only use the common tongue with outsiders, as per "The Stolen Throne"?

Her lack of people skills doesn't make her think she can cure the Taint with blood magic from an artifact that killed at least one person.

Merrill did cleanse it. Successfully. That's why she's not a ghoul. Her Eluvian even shows up in the Crossroads if it wasn't destroyed.

And her lack of people skills doesn't make her think trusting demons is a good idea, because despite her saying otherwise she disagrees with not working with demons, in dialogue mind you, constantly.

Merrill approves gathering intel from spirits, not brokering deals with them. You seem to be confusing the two.

Stupidity does that. Only stupidity. And while I'd like to pretend she has the capacity to think, she has hardly shown me evidence of such.

Using her magic adeptly, being able to tell whether or not a templar recruit is possessed, and defending her cultural and religious values in debate with Anders don't illustrate her intellect?

[Sir DeLoria]

We don't need a Merrill, we never needed a Merrill. Ever.

[Steelcan]

That argument will lead us nowhere. Some of us believe it has the possibility of having a positive effect. All we have are theories however, since we cannot predict the future. Lobselvith8 correctly pointed out in another thread that she cleansed the shard so it's not tainted anymore. Where it will lead to and if it'll be of beneficial, we'll see (or not. dropped plot threads are not that uncommon).

cleansed it with blood magic learned from a demon

 

Also, we do know what happened as a result from her dogged pursuit, she was ostracized from her clan, and potentially resulted in their deaths

[Steelcan]

. Her Eluvian even shows up in the Crossroads if it wasn't destroyed.
 

Since Lob won't see this, can anyone else confirm that this is confirmed as her Eluvian and not just a recycled asset?

[Augustei]

Since Lob won't see this, can anyone else confirm that this is confirmed as her Eluvian and not just a recycled asset?

Nothing confirmed, bunch of assumptions based on it being the same model.

[daveliam]

Unfortunately, Merrill threads never go well because both sides are really testy.  Merrill-haters are really aggressive and insulting of the character.  Merrill-fans are unwilling to admit any of her shortcomings.  It's just a recipe for a locked thread, unfortunately, because I think that the ambiguity around who was actually getting manipulated by Audacity is a really interesting concept and there could be a lot of really cool conversations about it. 

[Br3admax]

You mean her dry humor? Or the language barrier since Dalish speak elvish, and only use the common tongue with outsiders, as per "The Stolen Throne"?

"Excuses because I'm high on that Merrill swag. " Only you would call obvious absentmindedness dry humor. 

Merrill did cleanse it. Successfully. That's why she's not a ghoul. Her Eluvian even shows up in the Crossroads if it wasn't destroyed.

Remember when Finn picked up pieces of the same mirror and didn't get Tainted? He must have cleansed it too! And when Teagan dueled a hurlock and had blood spew into his mouth? He must be a Grey Warden! When has the Blight ever mattered outside of a plot device? 

 

 

Merrill approves gathering intel from spirits, not brokering deals with them. You seem to be confusing the two.

You must not have played the same game as me. She clearly approves of working with demons and using the Fell Grimoire and the associated tomes. All of which require deals to use. Demons always require deals. That's why they're demons. 

Using her magic adeptly, being able to tell whether or not a templar recruit is possessed, and defending her cultural and religious values in debate with Anders don't illustrate her intellect?

No it really doesn't. Especially with tons of evidence to the contrary. Sandal's a wise with runes, but I won't be giving him any grants for his intellect. 

[Ahalvern]

cleansed it with blood magic learned from a demon

 

Also, we do know what happened as a result from her dogged pursuit, she was ostracized from her clan, and potentially resulted in their deaths

 

"Blood magic is not inherently evil." says the thousands of year old wise being. Namely, Solas. Possibly the only character you can trust fully when it comes to nature of magic and its properties.

 

Her clan could have chosen to be more neutral instead of outright rejecting her. The whole situation was tragic though, I get that. After the mirror killing one of their own and infecting Mahariel, they were rightly very suspicious of it. As we've seen in later games though, the mirrors are very important artefacts. They mean something and only Merrill saw the value in going against the tide and choosing to restore it, making a leap of faith.

 

I admit as someone whose canon Warden is Mahariel I was perplexed and angry at Merrill for a while too, but who has the heart to be mean to her while she's in such a vulnerable state? The whole situation was unfortunate.

[Augustei]

Their both female mages.

There. I compared them again. Come at me, brah.

Drop bears have been deployed to your coordinates.

[Steelcan]

is there nothing not deadly in the blighted land called Australia?

[Augustei]

is there nothing not deadly in the blighted land called Australia?

Well....Theres Imported goods
Oh and Tim Tams and Lamingtons, they be freakin' delicious

But even we draw a line when it comes to safety, like with Rupert Murdorch which is why we exported him to America. His ideas and media rots the brain (Like Fox News)

[Steelcan]

Well....Theres Imported goods
Oh and Tim Tams and Lamingtons, they be freakin' delicious

also

 

how'd we end up with what was clearly meant to be your mammal?