Merril got off easy with my Hawke because he was a nice guy.
Mr. Kazmius Lavellan would have incinerated her the moment he found out she was a blood mage.
So no. We don't need a Merril. Kazmius is already paranoid of Cole and is plotting his demise the moment he starts getting out of hand.
Yes. I still feel like she trusts them way too much even so. Hell, she's willing to let a demon POSSESS Feynrial. I don't think Solas would do that.
No, she most emphatically is not willing to let that happen, because she's not actually there for when Torpor takes control. She advocates, on more then one occasion, that you can play a demon before it plays you -- if you're careful. Case in point, the Hunger Demon in the Deep Roads, where that's her line to you.
What she advocates with Torpor is not turning down a valuable source of information on Feynriel's mind-state and the Demons trying to take control simply because of the source: another Demon.
The Dalish in "The Stolen Throne" explicitly state that the Dalish speak entirely in elvish with one another, and Lavellan uses elvish with Mihris, can speak entirely in elvish to Solas, and entirely understands Solas' friend speaking ancient elvish to Solas. Frankly, I don't see how you can say I have nothing to stand on when I repeatedly point out the examples where Lavellan clearly knows elvish, or how it was previously stated that the Dalish speak elvish as their first language in "The Stolen Throne".
Stolen Throne was retconned. Not only is the Inquisitor not Merrill, they aren't even from the same clan so they aren't relevant. Finally, the Dalish Inquisitor hardly knows more than common phrases. They can't even read the writing in the Temple of Mythal. This horse you're trying drown just won't drink. It's actually kind of annoying that I have to explain this to you.
Frankly, your condemnation of Merrill is also absurd when you're ignoring her accomplishments with magic and constructing the Eluvian simply to mock her for adjusting to an entirely different culture from her own.
The mirror doesn't even work and the only accomplishment she got was her entire clan slaughtered. Guess that's a plus for her, but as I'm not going to take responsibility for her actions, the filthy little shem I am, and you would, you probably don't think so. It's actually kind of funny that Morrigan is able to fix an eluvian in the Last Court using human glassworking in a week better than Merrill the Dalish Genius can with over ten years of work. So much for an accomplishment. What an expert, Merrill is.
Stolen Throne was retconned. Not only is the Inquisitor not Merrill, they aren't even from the same clan so they aren't relevant. Finally, the Dalish Inquisitor hardly knows more than common phrases. They can't even read the writing in the Temple of Mythal. This horse you're trying drown just won't drink. It's actually kind of annoying that I have to explain this to you.
Entire sentences aren't "common phrases", as I've repeatedly addressed.
The mirror doesn't even work and the only accomplishment she got was her entire clan slaughtered. Guess that's a plus for her, but as I'm not going to take responsibility for her actions, the filthy little shem I am, and you would, you probably don't think so.
Unlike you, I don't blame Merrill for the actions of other people.
It's actually kind of funny that Morrigan is able to fix an eluvian in the Last Court using human glassworking in a week better than Merrill the Dalish Genius can with over ten years of work. So much for an accomplishment. What an expert, Merrill is.
Fixing an existing Eluvian is quite different than building one from scratch.
Fixing an existing Eluvian is quite different than building one from scratch.
I mean not necessarily
ever tried to get an LED tv fixed?
The mirror doesn't even work and the only accomplishment she got was her entire clan slaughtered.
Yeah, I can't believe Merrill couldn't get that ancient artifact that has barely any written lore from its original owners, that happened to be stolen from a bunch of scavengers for their own means (which even they couldn't get to work), to work considering she had just a few fragments of lore to work with and the means to turn it on is a passcode that was lost to time and memory!
Damn, it's not as if it has the potential to work, considering the power rests within it and you can see the thing in the Crossroads!
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The thing obviously isn't broken any longer. I'd say that based on what she had to work with, she did well. Morrigan may have gotten one to work, but she 1) had a book on the subject and 2) found intact ones to work with
As for her clan, I'm sorry... who decided to attack who here?
It's actually kind of funny that Morrigan is able to fix an eluvian in the Last Court using human glassworking in a week better than Merrill the Dalish Genius can with over ten years of work. So much for an accomplishment. What an expert, Merrill is.
Morrigan had a goddamn book devoted on the subject to work with during Witch Hunt, something Merrill lacked. You really think she wouldn't have picked up how to fix them from that thing?
She did encourage Hawke to do the ritual for Dumat, invoking sorcery she had no idea of what it would do out of basically curiosity.
o.o sure do the ancient blood ritual at a magical Tevinter altar that can't possibly go wrong.
.............well now people are just making **** up to justify their hatred of Merrill.
Merrill didn't encourage jack ****. What happened was that Hawke did the ritual and Merrill found it fascinating.
That is quite literally what happens. Hawke does it, says "Here goes", gets a trinket, walks away.... and Merrill says "Fascinating!"
Go ahead and watch it on youtube.
It's around the 6:45 minute mark. Go there and wait.
If a person finds someone saying "Fascinating" after someone else decided, of their own volition, to do an ancient ritual of devotion to a long dead god (who may or may not actually be dead) as "encouragement".... then they need a reality check.
You chose to do it, without any commentary by any of the companions beforehand. You were not "encouraged" to do it, except by yourself.
You know the funny thing is if Friendship Merrill did encounter a traditionalist pro-Dalish Lavellan he or she would probably reject her, just like clan did for her use of blood magic.
Entire sentences aren't "common phrases", as I've repeatedly addressed.
I can speak entire sentences in German and Latin. I cannot speak either languages. Yes, common phrases can be entire sentences. What kind of idiotic logic says otherwise?
Unlike you, I don't blame Merrill for the actions of other people.
Merrill caused those actions, so...
Fixing an existing Eluvian is quite different than building one from scratch.
Based on what exactly? It's a magical artifact. Not something hanging on the hallway wall.
Yeah, I can't believe Merrill couldn't get that ancient artifact that has barely any written lore from its original owners, that happened to be stolen from a bunch of scavengers for their own means (which even they couldn't get to work), to work considering she had just a few fragments of lore to work with and the means to turn it on is a passcode that was lost to time and memory!
Damn, it's not as if it has the potential to work, considering the power rests within it and you can see the thing in the Crossroads!
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I don't know where Atlantis is, but I looked, so it's an accomplishment.
Yeah, that holds up pretty well. I had the potential to find it, so it's all good. Give me a medal.
The thing obviously isn't broken any longer. I'd say that based on what she had to work with, she did well. Morrigan may have gotten one to work, but she 1) had a book on the subject and 2) found intact ones to work with
She fixes it in the Last Court, so it obviously wasn't working. Morrigan also had that book over a decade ago. She doesn't have it on hand now.
As for her clan, I'm sorry... who decided to attack who here?
Merrill began a chain of events that lead to her clan's death.
Morrigan had a goddamn book devoted on the subject to work with during Witch Hunt, something Merrill lacked. You really think she wouldn't have picked up how to fix them from that thing?
I'm also sure she memorized the entire thing, cover to cover and remembers every detail over a decade later. My waifu is pretty beastly.
You know the funny thing is if Friendship Merrill did encounter a traditionalist pro-Dalish Lavellan he or she would probably reject her, just like clan did for her use of blood magic.
That would depend on the person. I suppose some might, but not everyone would necessarily react the same way Marethari did. My Lavellan was pro-Dalish, but he would have respected Merrill's attempts to help the People with the Eluvians - and as Briala's rebellion has illustrated, Merrill was right about how useful the technology can be for the Elvhen.
That would depend on the person. I suppose some might, but not everyone would necessarily react the same way Marethari did. My Lavellan was pro-Dalish, but he would have respected Merrill's attempts to help the People with the Eluvians - and as Briala's rebellion has illustrated, Merrill was right about how useful the technology can be for the Elvhen.
you mean the things never mentioned again and ignored?
One hopes that Gaspard smashed them all
I can speak entire sentences in German and Latin. I cannot speak either languages. Yes, common phrases can be entire sentences. What kind of idiotic logic says otherwise?
Phrases can be part of sentences; you still haven't demonstrated why we should disregard Lavellan speaking and understanding elvish.
Merrill caused those actions, so...
Grown men and women were responsible for their own actions. I'm not going to place blame on Merrill because Marethari freed Audacity, or because adult hunters attempted to commit cold blooded murder.
You know the funny thing is if Friendship Merrill did encounter a traditionalist pro-Dalish Lavellan he or she would probably reject her, just like clan did for her use of blood magic.
Depends on the meaning of traditionalist, I suppose. Traditional Dalish definitely -- the Dalish do not condone blood magic (witness her clan's reaction to her, driven by Marethari). But a traditionalist who was actually trying to rediscover Elven traditions might well commiserate and appreciate what Merrill is doing.
She was trying to bring back something that was lost -- and as ever, ignorance and fear is the enemy of knowledge.
That would depend on the person. I suppose some might, but not everyone would necessarily react the same way Marethari did. My Lavellan was pro-Dalish, but he would have respected Merrill's attempts to help the People with the Eluvians - and as Briala's rebellion has illustrated, Merrill was right about how useful the technology can be for the Elvhen.
Why just the Elvhen? Super-awesome-teleporter mirror magic is something that all of Thedas could use. imagine your in wet, dog-ridden Fereldan one minute the next you're in sunny Par Vollen enjoying some coco.
Witness the face of madness.
#StopTheCrazy
Don't be fooled. This is the face of a maleficar so foul (and sexy) that even the Champion of Kirkwall couldn't resist her wicked wiles.
Why just the Elvhen? Super-awesome-teleporter mirror magic is something that all of Thedas could use. imagine your in wet, dog-ridden Fereldan one minute the next you're in sunny Par Vollen enjoying some coco.
Because Merrill's goal was to stop the decline of the Elvhen. I don't deny that the Eluvians could be useful to others; Gaspard noted how useful the Eluvians could have been for the Orlesian Empire.
Depends on the meaning of traditionalist, I suppose. Traditional Dalish definitely -- the Dalish do not condone blood magic (witness her clan's reaction to her, driven by Marethari). But a traditionalist who was actually trying to rediscover Elven traditions might well commiserate and appreciate what Merrill is doing.
She was trying to bring back something that was lost -- and as ever, ignorance and fear is the enemy of knowledge.
a tradition so hilariously not followed it barely amounts to anything
I need a Cole.
Also
Don't be fooled. This is the face of maleficar so foul (and sexy) that even the Champion of Kirkwall couldn't resist her wicked wiles.
Hot. Would let her mind control me/10
Because Merrill's goal was to stop the decline of the Elvhen. I don't deny that the Eluvians could be useful to others; Gaspard noted how useful the Eluvians could have been for the Orlesian Empire.
So your saying that she should totally share that knowledge with anyone who would listen to her instead of just giving it to her own race? That's something that bothered me about Morrigan's character, she talks about the ignorance of the common people and prides herself on having a significant knowledge of the occult, and yet she never actually tries to share that knowledge with the masses. I mean she had the empress's ear so it couldn't have been that hard to get the University of Orlais to study the eluvian?
Anyways, I would hope that Merrill wouldn't do something as annoying and destructive as hoarding information.
No, she most emphatically is not willing to let that happen, because she's not actually there for when Torpor takes control. She advocates, on more then one occasion, that you can play a demon before it plays you -- if you're careful. Case in point, the Hunger Demon in the Deep Roads, where that's her line to you.
What she advocates with Torpor is not turning down a valuable source of information on Feynriel's mind-state and the Demons trying to take control simply because of the source: another Demon.
I would like to add something else to this topic.
You can get Anders to get approval/friendship points on the exact same topic if you tell him you were trying to trick torpor.
So your saying that she should totally share that knowledge with anyone who would listen to her instead of just giving it to her own race? That's something that bothered me about Morrigan's character, she talks about the ignorance of the common people and prides herself on having a significant knowledge of the occult, and yet she never actually tries to share that knowledge with the masses. I mean she had the empress's ear so it couldn't have been that hard to get the University of Orlais to study the eluvian?
Anyways, I would hope that Merrill wouldn't do something as annoying and destructive as hoarding information.
Who is Morrigan going to share that knowledge with - people who would attack her for being an apostate? The same is true for Merrill, since the Dalish are targets of violence by Andrastian humans because of their religious and cultural values; this is explicitly noted as the reason why Clan Lavellan travels in the Free Marches, between the territorial boundaries of the city-states. We can also consider how Andrastian human societies treat the elves who live in their Alienages.
Who is Morrigan going to share that knowledge with - people who would attack her for being an apostate? The same is true for Merrill, since the Dalish are targets of violence by Andrastian humans because of their religious and cultural values; this is explicitly noted as the reason why Clan Lavellan travels in the Free Marches, between the territorial boundaries of the city-states. We can also consider how Andrastian human societies treat the elves who live in their Alienages.
Which is why I said anyone who will listen to her. The Grey Wardens might, and like I said an academic organization couldn't possibly resist such a discovery. We already the Inquisition would pay attention.That list may be short, but the idea that something as astounding like the eluvians would stay hidden from the world is just...
Demoralizing. I want my Par Vollen beach party, Maker dammit!
Uh, no, we don't need some stupid naive elf that can't learn her lesson about blood magic.
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