The Virmire Survivor becomes a Spectre and ends up in the same position as Shepard in ME3, but ultimately fails. The Reapers annihilate the galaxy but the next cycle triumphs after they unearth Liara's time capsules.
Basically it would play out similar to Refuse.
The Virmire Survivor becomes a Spectre and ends up in the same position as Shepard in ME3, but ultimately fails. The Reapers annihilate the galaxy but the next cycle triumphs after they unearth Liara's time capsules.
Basically it would play out similar to Refuse.
If the Normandy is given back to TIM, there's a good chance Liara would die on Mars and the next cycle would probably be harvested
They still had to reveal the artifact in order to get the information. Without the Cipher, there was no way Cerberus would be able to activate the artifact unless they just say to heck with it and use the gunship to fire at the statues to reveal the artifact. Of course doing that may damage the artifact.
All true. It would just depend on whethr they got Vendetta intact (or intact enough) or not.
If they have Cortez fly the shuttle to Mars, I would be curious why he didn't fly it in the first place in ME3. This all depends on whether or not Joker brought the Normandy back to TIM or not
Talking to Cortez, we know he was part of the Normandy refit, and thus part of the crew when they left Earth. So it would make sense that he was the pilot when they went to Mars, even if we didn't see him.
And given Shepard never gives the Normandy back to TIM, in any playthru, it's reasonable to assume Joker doesn't either. Especially once Cerberus becomes "too mainstream. And evil"
Talking to Cortez, we know he was part of the Normandy refit, and thus part of the crew when they left Earth. So it would make sense that he was the pilot when they went to Mars, even if we didn't see him.
And given Shepard never gives the Normandy back to TIM, in any playthru, it's reasonable to assume Joker doesn't either. Especially once Cerberus becomes "too mainstream. And evil"
He might be piloting the shuttle to Mars if Shepard wasn't in ME3, but he wasn't piloting the shuttle to Mars with Shepard in ME3.
I don't see Joker giving the Normandy to the Alliance. He has no idea what Shepard would do since she is dead.
I don't see Joker giving the Normandy to the Alliance. He has no idea what Shepard would do since she is dead.
That might actually make things easier. Liara could contact Joker directly, and the Normandy wouldn't have to break out of lockdown.
That might actually make things easier. Liara could contact Joker directly, and the Normandy wouldn't have to break out of lockdown.
How would it? If Joker gives the ship back to TIM, what good is contacting Joker going to do?
How would it? If Joker gives the ship back to TIM, what good is contacting Joker going to do?
Well, I'm assuming Joker also doesn't give the Normandy back to Cerberus either. EDI doesn't seem inclined to go back, after all.
He might be piloting the shuttle to Mars if Shepard wasn't in ME3, but he wasn't piloting the shuttle to Mars with Shepard in ME3.
I don't see Joker giving the Normandy to the Alliance. He has no idea what Shepard would do since she is dead.
Everyone seems more than willing to ditch Cerberus at the end of ME2 though, including the pro-Cerberus Miranda. I think everyone was tired of TIM and his nonsense and it wasn't just Shepard making that decision (then again the plot of ME2 is so silly it's hard to know anything for sure). Whatever feelings existed to cause that sudden change coupled with the death of Cerberus, I think, would cause Joker to head back towards the more familiar Alliance.
The Virmire Survivor becomes a Spectre and ends up in the same position as Shepard in ME3, but ultimately fails. The Reapers annihilate the galaxy but the next cycle triumphs after they unearth Liara's time capsules.
Basically it would play out similar to Refuse.
I think the VS could pull it off. Shepard really doesn't do anything special in ME3; he follows the directions of people higher than him and given how similar events play out regardless of past relationships it's not like Shepard is needed in some diplomatic capacity. All you need is a yes man who's good with a gun. The VS seems well suited for that roll.
The Virmire Survivor becomes a Spectre and ends up in the same position as Shepard in ME3, but ultimately fails. The Reapers annihilate the galaxy but the next cycle triumphs after they unearth Liara's time capsules.
Basically it would play out similar to Refuse.
I don't see how the VS would fail. You don't need to do much to succeed at the end of Mass Effect 3.
The Virmire Survivor becomes a Spectre and ends up in the same position as Shepard in ME3, but ultimately fails. The Reapers annihilate the galaxy but the next cycle triumphs after they unearth Liara's time capsules.
The Reaper Chronicles DLC.
Play as a Marauder.
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Well, here's the scenario:
Joker, knowing that Ashley is p*ssed off at him joining Cerberus has nowhere to go. And with Shepard dead, it means that everyone else is dead. EDI doesn't want to go back to Cerberus. So that leaves him only one place to go ... Hagalaz to see Liara.
Joker: Uh, Liara, I'm sorry to tell you that Shepard is dead. Everyone died on the Collector Base.
Liara: *cries*
Joker: EDI and I are the only survivors.
Liara: Who's going to lead the fight against the reapers?
Joker: I was hoping you would. You're the only one left. I mean Ash hates me. Garrus is dead. Tali's dead not that she could do it anyway, so that leaves....
Liara: Oh alright. *sighs* Feron, grab our gear. Install it on the Normandy. We've got a galaxy to save.
Feron: Just the two of us?
Liara: It's a start. We'll need a team.
It's hard to say but my best guess is that Liara tries to help but dies fairly early on leaving the galaxy without anyone with the ability and will to bring everyone together. TIM stands largely unopposed but can't come up with the resources to build the Crucible. The cycle continues with the possibility that the Reapers do wipe out the Crucible concept ... it's possible the cycle isn't broken for millions or billions of years because this was our last, best hope without starting from scratch.
Well, I'm assuming Joker also doesn't give the Normandy back to Cerberus either. EDI doesn't seem inclined to go back, after all.
It seems like he does. He's not going to argue with TIM.
At least under TIM we have a fighting chance if Shepard's gone.
I don't see how the VS would fail. You don't need to do much to succeed at the end of Mass Effect 3.
The VS would epically fail very early.
Liara's team:
First she gets Wrex: Okay, fine. Wreav, just don't let this place go to hell while I'm gone.
Then we get Javik. Then we go to Mars and get the plans for the crucible. Then approach the council with Javik and Wrex. You can see how this is going to go.
Javik then takes command of the Normandy and leads the fight against the Reapers. Liara is grateful to be third in command and supply intel.
If the Normandy is given back to TIM, Petrovsky takes Command of the Normandy
I always felt like Joker had a lot of potential. They kinda gooned him up a bit too much (for my liking) at times, but in the first game, I loved his cynical-yet-realistic attitude and how he kept his cool right before Ilos when everyone else was freaking out. It was Shepard and Joker who remained level-headed. That's the quality of a good leader right there.
Of course, there's not much he could do without a crew and with his legs. But I'm inclined to believe he would've figured something out. And even if it isn't him, the Reapers are big enough of a threat that someone would have done something. They would have still found the Crucible. I do like the idea of Kaidan/Ashley succeeding Shepard.
I don't see how the VS would fail. You don't need to do much to succeed at the end of Mass Effect 3.
Except earn the favor of some malignant AI who claims only one person is special enough to make the decision. How I see it, the Illusive Man would have already controlled the Reapers by the time Shepard got to the Citadel if it were as easy as that. I'd like to believe the VS wouldn't fail too epically though. 
Go go gadget Shepard clone.
Either the actual clone or a clone from our perspective:
"Guys, guess what? There was totally another Alliance hero with a background of [one of the two choices Shepard didn't pick] that can talk his way into anyone's pants, whether it's physically possible for them to even wear pants or not, and he's here to save the day and pick a color!"
That gets me thinking: if you could replace Shepard in ME3 with any other video game hero, who would it be?
Rules (to keep it somewhat grounded):
-must be a video game protagonist. Obvious video game tie-ins to movies etc don't count unless the game has done something markedly different from original source material.
-no god-likes
The Catalyst never said anything about only one person being special enough to make the decision, Shepards non existent specialness wasn't even brought up at all(the catalyst was bigging up organics as a whole), so that's bunk. The Reapers controlled the Illusive Man and wouldn't let him control them, because they already controlled him due to implanting himself with Reaper tech(why?). If he hadn't gone full retard he would have gotten his wish.Except earn the favor of some malignant AI who claims only one person is special enough to make the decision. How I see it, the Illusive Man would have already controlled the Reapers by the time Shepard got to the Citadel if it were as easy as that. I'd like to believe the VS wouldn't fail too epically though.
The galaxy is saved 50,000 years later by a Yahg named Shepard 
Lara Croft in a Mass Effect game? Shut up and take my money
Is it me, or do those Cerberus ships in the OP video have Alcubierre drives? If you don't know: Alcubierre drives are what one day may allow us to make faster than light ships: they would have some ring structure around them to stretch spacetime...
This might actually result in Miranda and Jacob turning out to be a lot more important. Assuming that Joker does bring the Normandy back to Cerberus, they'd be back on the inside of the organization and might well realize on their own that TIM is indoctrinated or at least decide that he's going off the deep end, at which point they'd probably try to escape and contact Liara and/or the Alliance to formulate their own plan for fighting the Reapers. I doubt either of them would consent to being implanted the way the Cerberus troops seem to be in ME3.
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