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[Fast Jimmy]

To be fair, if someone votes EA to be the Worst Company in America considering the large companies out there whose actions outright harm their employees and communities, there is just so many reasons to give it the side-eyes.

And by the way, great method to equate someone voting a game to be the best game they've played that year and someone going hyperbolic with their disgust with a company. Like totally the same thing.

It's the exact same thing - expressing an opinion. You don't value the opinions of the people who would vote a video game company as the worst company in America. Thats fair.

But the point of a poll (and any awards or accolades they may be tied to) is to measure the NUMBER of people who have that opinion, regardless of the validity or worth of it.

[Melca36]

Sorry, but that prize definitely belongs to Comcast.

 

They won worst company in 2012 and 2013.  They did NOT win in 2014.  Funny how people forget to mention the years won.

[Draining Dragon]

So instead of Inquisition being a good game almost every other game must be garbage?

I didn't say Inquisition wasn't a good game.

[In Exile]

Yes, but most of the engine work is done out of DICE, who works as a primary repository for engine tools that can be shared between studios. So it doesn't matter if it's Bioware Edmonton, Bioware Montreal, EA Black Box or EA Sports making the game... DICE helps them with a lot of the game engine heavy lifting and works to develop their tools to meet the needs of their game and leverage existing tools created by other studios to accomplish similar goals.

Considering there were no dialogue, inventory or camera tools made for FB before DA, it would have been nice for ME to go first, since it's list of "firsts" is smaller than DA:I's would have been. Instead, DA:I likely asked more of the engine than nearly any other title on the docket for the next few years, with possibly the exception of Shadow Realms (although who knows when THAT will be coming out).

My point is that Montreal has no idea what the end product really needs to look like to work. They don't design "Bioware" games in the same way. We don't know what ME will look like outside of its MP focus.

I think having a studio outside Edmonton create the middleware for an RPG will be a wasted effort and end up hamstringing production more than helping.

[In Exile]

It's the exact same thing - expressing an opinion. You don't value the opinions of the people who would vote a video game company as the worst company in America. Thats fair.

But the point of a poll (and any awards or accolades they may be tied to) is to measure the NUMBER of people who have that opinion, regardless of the validity or worth of it.

The point would have merit if it was the same type of people voting on both things, but it's not. You might be able to try and draw a parallel between Reader's choice awards and the voting but even that is problematic because we're not voting on the same thing.

I might be sceptical about a poll of all residents of one state as being valuable or representative of views on gun ownership but absolutely accepting of a poll of the exact same people on the most livable city in the state.

And of course no one has actually accused people of voting against EA out of homophobia beside (weirdly) EA itself.

[Raoni Luna]

Not exactly the best place to post this but: Well people let's just say that I was not myself in the last posts (LITERALLY). My friend who got suspended and used my account without my permission also granting me a suspension, from the nature of the posts you can obviously guess who he was... He claims he didn't realize it was not his account (despite him not even having an avatar) and other things like that, well, again... sorry

 

Inquisition was not what I expected but I have no problems with it. In fact I have myself 500 hours of game, and I'm still playing a lot. Hope they keep going with the franchise.

[IanPolaris]

What? In what world is Kotaku performing anything near "science" on their site?

Also, sampling size invariably improves the efficacy of predictions - this is statisics 101. It may not be large enough to be considered truly accurate... but asking 500 people about something is always better than asking 5. It may not be void of bias or other things, but it still has more weight than a comparable poll with a smaller number of voters.

 

Actually that's not so.  Sampling size improves the efficacy of your predictions if and only if that sampling is accurately reflects the sample space you are trying to predict.

 

To wit, a 500 person poll done with rigorous controls over it's sampling to insure a representative sample, is much more accurate (and taken far more seriously) than a 5,000 person poll where the respondants are self-selecting.  It's a big reason why in polling that internet polls are generally considered to be trash.

[Ogillardetta]

Actually that's not so.  Sampling size improves the efficacy of your predictions if and only if that sampling is accurately reflects the sample space you are trying to predict.

 

To wit, a 500 person poll done with rigorous controls over it's sampling to insure a representative sample, is much more accurate (and taken far more seriously) than a 5,000 person poll where the respondants are self-selecting.  It's a big reason why in polling that internet polls are generally considered to be trash.

This. But almost all statistics and polls are trash imo since you can manipulate them in a number of ways. 

[SomberXIII]

Not exactly the best place to post this but: Well people let's just say that I was not myself in the last posts (LITERALLY). My friend who got suspended and used my account without my permission also granting me a suspension, from the nature of the posts you can obviously guess who he was... He claims he didn't realize it was not his account (despite him not even having an avatar) and other things like that, well, again... sorry

 

Inquisition was not what I expected but I have no problems with it. In fact I have myself 500 hours of game, and I'm still playing a lot. Hope they keep going with the franchise.

Wow! You returned! I thought you'd be gone.   

[katokires]

Talking about being back...

[Ogillardetta]

Talking about being back...

Awkward.

[AllThatJazz]

Not exactly the best place to post this but: Well people let's just say that I was not myself in the last posts (LITERALLY). My friend who got suspended and used my account without my permission also granting me a suspension, from the nature of the posts you can obviously guess who he was... He claims he didn't realize it was not his account (despite him not even having an avatar) and other things like that, well, again... sorry
 
Inquisition was not what I expected but I have no problems with it. In fact I have myself 500 hours of game, and I'm still playing a lot. Hope they keep going with the franchise.

I admit I did wonder a couple of times if yours was a katokires alt.

Wow, really sorry to hear your account got misused like that. X

[cronshaw]

Also, Inquisition is able to stand on Origins' success, whereas Origins had to rely solely on its merits.
 

Right because no one who played the Baldur's Gate games was excited for Origins

that statement is about one step away from "Origins cured my cancer!"

[Fast Jimmy]

This. But almost all statistics and polls are trash imo since you can manipulate them in a number of ways.

That doesn't make them trash. It just means you can't take much of anything at face value without seeing the numbers.

[SofaJockey]

Not exactly the best place to post this but: Well people let's just say that I was not myself in the last posts (LITERALLY). My friend who got suspended and used my account without my permission also granting me a suspension, from the nature of the posts you can obviously guess who he was... He claims he didn't realize it was not his account (despite him not even having an avatar) and other things like that, well, again... sorry

 

Inquisition was not what I expected but I have no problems with it. In fact I have myself 500 hours of game, and I'm still playing a lot. Hope they keep going with the franchise.

 

Oh wow, how awful for you.

I've taken you back off my 'ignore' list !

[Fast Jimmy]

My point is that Montreal has no idea what the end product really needs to look like to work. They don't design "Bioware" games in the same way. We don't know what ME will look like outside of its MP focus.

I think having a studio outside Edmonton create the middleware for an RPG will be a wasted effort and end up hamstringing production more than helping.

That may be true, but in my mind Edmonton lost the right to dictate the future of the ME series after ME3, as unfair as that might be of me to say about all the employees who were invovled with the game outside of the way it wound up. With what seems to be Mac at the helm to replace Casey, I have even LESS faith in the next game, regardless of the place in Canada it is developed.

[Aren]

Alright then  i can say:

Welcome To a Confirmed DA4 with more fetch quests given the success of DAI!!!!

[Fast Jimmy]

The point would have merit if it was the same type of people voting on both things, but it's not. You might be able to try and draw a parallel between Reader's choice awards and the voting but even that is problematic because we're not voting on the same thing.

I might be sceptical about a poll of all residents of one state as being valuable or representative of views on gun ownership but absolutely accepting of a poll of the exact same people on the most livable city in the state.

And of course no one has actually accused people of voting against EA out of homophobia beside (weirdly) EA itself.

With the Internet, there isn't even a viable method to track if it IS the same people you are polling from one survey for the next.

Which is my point - Internet polls (and the awards that accompany them) aren't worth a hill of beans. If 10,000 people vote in an Internet poll it has more validity to me than another Internet poll of 100 people... but because both are Internet polls, they really don't amount to much either way.



Hence... the next person who quotes a "Reader's Choice" GOTY as a defense for anything can just reference back to this statement. Or not, I suppose.

[Ogillardetta]

That doesn't make them trash. It just means you can't take much of anything of face value without seeing the numbers.

I only trust* statistics from scb.se. 
*And not even then since it depends on what people they asked and so on.
I see them more as a general view and not fact when from a reliable source.
My point is that unless you include everyone and prevent people from voteing multible times by various programs it isn't really a 100% fact.

[Fast Jimmy]

Alright then i can say:
Welcome To a Confirmed DA4

[Hiemoth]

With the Internet, there isn't even a viable method to track if it IS the same people you are polling from one survey for the next.

Which is my point - Internet polls (and the awards that accompany them) aren't worth a hill of beans. If 10,000 people vote in an Internet poll it has more validity to me than another Internet poll of 100 people... but because both are Internet polls, they really don't amount to much either way.



Hence... the next person who quotes a "Reader's Choice" GOTY as a defense for anything can just reference back to this statement. Or not, I suppose.

 

Except it is still a Reader's choice. To give you an example, the reader's of Kotaku were given a chance to vote for their favorite game. Some voted for AC:U. Some voted for FC4. And so forth. Out of that vote the largest amount of votes went to DAI and thus it won the vote. Thus there is nothing inherently deceiving or distracting for saying it won that Reader's Choice award. The same with any of other Reader's Choice awards. Even if it is a small sampling, or larger in some cases, it indicates that from the readers of that site, they thought that was the best game of the year.

 

I don't really pay attention to such awards, to be honest, but I am having great difficulties understanding what is your apparent distaste on this issue. The game wins an award that indicates that people liked the game. There is no indication that these votes for fixed outside some people who struggle to grasp that people liked the game. Should they be silent about it and hide it in their marketing? Should it be not mentioned in threads which directly discuss the success of the game?

 

And by the way, that comparison to the EA vote is still really questionable, for reasons already mentioned here. The EA vote was a somewhat questionable crusade to discredit a video game company, just one of many instances that happened during that time period. The game award was a vote of people indicating which game they liked. If you do not see why this is a false equivalency, I really don't know what else to say, well write.

[leaguer of one]

It's the exact same thing - expressing an opinion. You don't value the opinions of the people who would vote a video game company as the worst company in America. Thats fair.

 

Of course not. I'm not going see the votes of petty people who are anger over a game who skip over companies that actually destroyed lives.

[leaguer of one]

Ok, now I have to officially ask. Why are you still here?

[In Exile]

That may be true, but in my mind Edmonton lost the right to dictate the future of the ME series after ME3, as unfair as that might be of me to say about all the employees who were invovled with the game outside of the way it wound up. With what seems to be Mac at the helm to replace Casey, I have even LESS faith in the next game, regardless of the place in Canada it is developed.

Oh story-wise I'm sure it'll be a disaster. I was just thinking solely from the POV of engine creation.

[Monica21]

They won worst company in 2012 and 2013. They did NOT win in 2014. Funny how people forget to mention the years won.

Do you work for Comcast or something?