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[Lars Honeytoast]

I've got to admit, I didn't expect to have this many responses by the time I got back. That's cool to see, you guys have made some very interesting arguments.

 

 

 

A recent interview? I'll keep looking once I get home but here is one from back in 2011 when speaking about DAI

http://biowarefans.c...ew-protagonist/

 

and this talks a little about it too

http://www.pcgamer.c...the-open-world/

 

 

I would say these make it sound, to quote the article, "very likely" that the Inquisitor is not the next protagonist, but that certainly isn't the 'zero percent' that many of you are saying. I agree that chances are we won't be the Inquisitor again, but if the game really is an unprecedented success for BioWare, I think it's a bit shortsighted to completely write off the possibility.

 

I apologize, I love arguing with people about these types of things, but five pages is too much to get through, so I'll just throw my ideas out there as compared to a few general opinions I saw.

 

A common point people make is that the Inquisitor is too bland to continue through the next story, and that you couldn't form his personality enough throughout this game to keep you interested in another game with him in the lead role. A point that seems to follow with that is that Hawke had a much more... malleable personality, and that the Warden had more depth. Hawke certainly had more variability to his personality, but someone in here hit the nail on the head-- He had three very different personalities, but it only seemed to really make sense to stick with one throughout the game. It felt strange to hear my Hawke, who admittedly was kind of a dick, but in a more brutish, intimidating manner, suddenly adopt a childish, sarcastic tone when I really just wanted to disagree without threatening someone. At least to start a character, I think it is best to lean towards the middle of the road, in terms of tone, for all choices. (This is actually a large part of the reason Mark Meer sounds so monotone in ME1-- He felt that the change between personality types was too jarring when selecting different types of responses when the tone differs too much.) Personally, I felt like my Inquisitor had tons of personality, but then again I had always intended on playing through as if he was very aware of his position as a leader, and would respond in a very measured manner. That being said, I know he was very no nonsense in strategic situations, would give direct answers when asked for his opinion, but was always willing to listen to an opposing argument (before blowing anything up). He had no problem being a dick to shut down a conversation he felt was unnecessary, but rewarded loyalty with respect.

 

That's just a brief summary of how a feel about the personality thing, but in short, I think even if you found the Inquisitor a bit bland, a sequel generally allows for a bit more opportunity to explore personalities rather than focus on world-building (which is an issue that, at this point in the DA franchise, I think we have spent plenty of time on.)

 

The only argument I take issue with is that we need a new hero so that we don't end up reusing the same old characters. Here's a list of what I consider 'main characters' (pretty much determined by who you can talk to at Skyhold): Cassandra, Varric, Solas, Blackwall, Sera, Bull, Dorian, Vivienne, Cole, Leliana, Josephine, Cullen, and Morrigan. That's almost half of the characters in this new game which were from old games. That isn't even including Fiona, Hawke, or other characters that pop up throughout the game in cameos. As long as we continue to have sequels fall close (chronologically) to the games that fall before them, this is going to be an issue. I'm not saying it is resolved by keeping the Inquisitor as the main character, but it certainly isn't resolved by making a new one either. My argument is similar to my argument above: If you found a character to be shallow, a direct (with Inquisitor) sequel could be viewed as an opportunity to really flesh some characters out. Someone recently made a thread saying that to really understand Vivienne's character, you must get a lot of the party banter, and it is a shame that most people won't ever see that. If the purpose of a sequel is to more fully flesh out the world, why doesn't that apply to the characters who live in it? This is just my opinion, but most of my favorite works of fiction are character focused- the best also have great, fully realized worlds. But a world is only as good as the characters in it, and to constantly put the player into a blank state to start each game, in terms of relationships between characters, seems to prevent a progress in terms of storytelling that BioWare should really be striving for.

 

With all that being said, there isn't anything that points to the Inquisitor being the protagonist in the next Dragon age. Really, from everything I've seen (thanks again DracoAngel) it points to the opposite. But I still think it is fun to think about if they went the other way, and it's something I'd love to see. 

[aMytallica]

Probably won't happen, but I think it would be great if they did! At the very least, an expansion.

[Vilegrim]

...One of you line when you are first choosen as inquisitor is that your just doing it for power. Added,as an elven supremacist you can let the empress of orlis die so you can put Gespard on the thrown to be a puppet of Barla who is an elf. Sorry, it's not 3 flavors of purity. Just no flavor of chaotically stupid.

 

 

you can SAY that you are doing if for your own power...once, then take no action at all that in anyway feeds into that.  Prime example, when the demon  shows you as a tyrant at the head of an all conquering Exalted March...you have to be disgusted...erm why? Sure some characters would be, some would feel it is their due.  You can put Briala as the power behind the thrown..practical affect 0.  Can I as an the head of the Inquisition order people tortured? No.  Can I as the Herald of Andrastre declare people heretics and order their villages raised and the land salted? No, nothing that actually deserves the name inquisitor allowed.  No calling people Worthless shem and genocide a human settlement ,but we can genocide elves again, by accident via table top mission with no reaction by anyone without......or on purpose, can we try to recruit people actually worth recruiting? Nope, no army of carta thugs, none of the Torturers who worked for Howe...nothing worthy of the name inquisition.

[Nykara]

I hope they do like 2 years of DLC for this game, not their normal 1 year!

[Vilegrim]

I mean even the option as a Dalish to obliterate the entire bloodline of the man who killed my clan would be good...but NOTHING not a damn thing, none of you alleged friends mention it...why, exactly am I closing the rifts for these people? Let them all writh screaming while I look on laughing, while their families are tortured to death as they watch with lidless eyes if that is their attitude.

 

It is very simple, Submit to my will or face the rifts alone.  Bend the knee or die.

[MACharlie1]

Never say never however precedent stands that it won't happen. 

[Sylvianus]

I hope we aren't done with the inquisitor. There's still a lot to do with his / her story, it feels unfinished right now. That would be a bit infortunate to start a story with an organization which is only beginning to build its power in one game to leave it immediately after another game for another story totally unrelated in another country in the north of Thedas. I'm also a bit tired of this formula in the dragon age franchise, having to change for a new hero every single time while we basically keep the same world, just a few months after, one or several years after, elsewhere, with someone else. I'm not really asking to give up this formula,  but for once we should try something else. 

 

For me, It becomes more and more difficult to feel strongly emotionally attached to my characters, when we have to change every single time. I have just realized how I loved my Shep and part of that was because I have followed him during three episodes with his awesome companions, while having new ones in every game as well. Yep, I'm digging the idea with the inquisitor. 

 

Now, It probably won't happen, but never say never with Bioware. I don't forget how many people so sure have been ashamed when they used such words for other things in the past lol. 

[leaguer of one]

you can SAY that you are doing if for your own power...once, then take no action at all that in anyway feeds into that.  Prime example, when the demon  shows you as a tyrant at the head of an all conquering Exalted March...you have to be disgusted...erm why? Sure some characters would be, some would feel it is their due.  You can put Briala as the power behind the thrown..practical affect 0.  Can I as an the head of the Inquisition order people tortured? No.  Can I as the Herald of Andrastre declare people heretics and order their villages raised and the land salted? No, nothing that actually deserves the name inquisitor allowed.  No calling people Worthless shem and genocide a human settlement ,but we can genocide elves again, by accident via table top mission with no reaction by anyone without......or on purpose, can we try to recruit people actually worth recruiting? Nope, no army of carta thugs, none of the Torturers who worked for Howe...nothing worthy of the name inquisition.

Really? What about  making Orlis your lap dog. Making people think your really a demi-god.Hell, even taking Imsheals deal. It's true you don't have any blind evil choices but you still have plenty choice to add you your own power. Heck, you can even allow the fall of the chanrty. and yes you can have briala control the thrown but why would you expect an immediate reaction to it in a game that just focus on taking down Cory? The effect is long term.

[l7986]

Depends on how much money EA thinks they can make. If they think they can make a ton with the Inquisitor then they'll use him/her. If not it will be random person 93478 that gains special snowflake status.

[Merlik]

90% chance.

 

I say this because there was no option at all for a death for the inquisitor at the end. I think they have more plans for him/her. Maybe just DLC, but who knows

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[leaguer of one]

90% chance.

 

I say this because there was no option at all for a death for the inquisitor at the end. I think they have more plans for him/her. Maybe just DLC, but who knows

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You could of said the same thing with Hawke with da2...turned out to be 0.

[Brockololly]

For as much as BioWare seems intent on hammering home how DA is about the story of Thedas, they seem to miss the fact that the driving force for people's interest in these games are the characters. And you interact with these characters through your Player Character, whether that's the Hero of Ferelden, Hawke or the Inquistor.

 

I have no issue with having a new PC in every mainline game. But why not entertain the notion of growing the world like Game of Thrones /ASoIaF and have some emphasis on multiple protagonists as the story grows? That way you could have old PC's still playing a role in the story, driven by the player and allow the larger world to grow while not needing to force the new PC into every single story.

 

Like with Inquisition, I couldn't help but feel a bit detached during the scene in the Fade where Morrigan, Kieran and Flemeth are having tense family drama meanwhile my dorky Inquisitor is awkwardly standing there like a tag along asking the most banal, idiotic questions as high drama is unfolding he had no personal stake in. That scene would have been an amazing role playing experience if you had your Hero of Ferelden, lover of Morrigan and father of Kieran there- somebody that would actually have a story driven personal stake in things. Now, I'm not saying the HoF should have been in Inquisition in that moment necessarily but have those sorts of big story driven, emotional moments appropriately matched up with the PC that would best fit.

 

 

Having multiple PC's would be a great way to build the world of DA while still retaining the personal relationships that I think people value in BioWare games.

[Aetheria]

Well, we've already been through this with the Warden and Hawke, of course, so just because players get attached to the protagonist of the last game doesn't mean that protagonist will star in the next one. And there does seem to be a precedent of a new protagonist for each DA game.

 

That said, there's nothing preventing Bioware from deciding they want to make another game starring the Inquisitor. There's likely going to be some story DLC coming up for Inquisition, anyway, and maybe we can make a better guess once we see how that turns out. It would be an interesting change to start a DA game from a position of power rather than being a nobody.

 

I bet you the Inquisitor dies/mysteriously vanishes before DA4, though.

[Mocksie]

While I'm sure I'd still buy DA4, I really, really hope the Inquisitor doesn't come back. The Inquisitor has been my least favorite of all the PCs, and is one of the reason I couldn't get immersed in DA:I's storyline. 

 

With the Inquisitor, it seemed like they tried to create a happy medium between Hawke and the Warden, and it just doesn't work. A lot of people complained about not being able to headcanon with Hawke because he/she isn't as much of a blank slate and already had a preset background, so I think that's why we got the Inquisitor. However, headcanoning only worked so well with the Warden because the Warden A.) Doesn't have a voice and B.) Had more dialogue choices, including ones that were evil/selfish/etc. With something like the Warden, a blank slate character is fine, because it makes it much easier to create and define the character.

 

However, I think this becomes much more difficult when the character has a voice. I thought the personality system was a great way to define Hawke, kinda like the paragon/renegade system in ME. It still allowed us to develop a personality for our character, and Hawke would react accordingly to that personality from how she/he acts in cinematic right down to how she/he responds to companions in banter. 

 

The Inquisitor's dialogue was just so... bland. Not only could you not develop a personality, which resulted in an incredibly neutral/bland response every time the Inquisitor speaks without a dialogue wheel choice, but there is very little difference in the choices presented with the dialogue wheel. I was initially nervous to pick the bottom option, because Aggressive Hawke always came off as pretty... aggressive. I was disappointed when I did try to play a more aggressive character, and found that they were just more direct ways of saying the same thing.

 

I remember a conversation with Solas as an Elf Inquisitor about the Dalish, and I tried picking all the responses (because I was trying to play an elf that disagreed with Dalish ideals). I was pretty disappointed when I was only presented with a nice, snarky, and direct way of saying "The Dalish are great! We are true elves." And that seems to be how all of the choices are, they are simply different ways of saying the same thing. Not to mention, the voice actors for the Inquisitor are lacking. both the male and female Hawke VA's were so full of personality. All four of the Inquisitor VA's come off as really bland, which looks pretty silly when talking to the companions are are so full of personality. 

 

When I was romancing Cullen in one of my playthroughs, all I could think about was what a downgrade the Inquisitor was from Amell/Surana, who despite not having a voice, had much more personality and vibrancy than the Inquisitor.

 

Honestly, I would be all for keeping the same PC if it was Hawke. Hawke would have been a much better Inquisitor than the actual Inquisitor, and I think Hawke would have made the game better due to her relevance to the plot, considering:

-She/He was at the heart of the Mage/Templar war

-She/He released Corypheus in the first place

-She/He discovered red lyrium with Varric

-Much of DA2 was about Cassandra trying to find Hawke

 

I didn't love DA2, but I thought Hawke was an excellent PC. I loved Hawke's slow rise to power, going from a refugee nobody to Champion over the course of several years. It's much better than "omg instant god status" with the Inquisitor. Plus, his/her story was a tragedy in many ways, he/she experienced loss throughout the game. This made for a well-developed character that had reasons to care about the conflicts in DA:I, and also portrayed a character that was far from perfect, but still a hero. Considering much of DA:I's conflicts were central to things Hawke caused in a way, it would have been suiting for Hawke to be the one to fix them in the end.

 

I can't get over the fact that the Inquisitor feels like somewhat of a Marysue to me. He/She basically just swoops in out of nowhere, randomly gets a mark that gives him/her superpowers, and then goes from prisoner to god-status in less than 15 minutes. Then, the rest of the game is just the Inquisitor being the perfect hero that fixes Hawke's mess and never, ever fails or experiences loss (Haven doesn't even count as a loss). This, combined with the Inquisitor literally having no backstory and a personality no more interesting than a talking rock, gives us little reason to care about him/her as a PC.

 

I tried really hard to headcanon with the Inquisitor like I did with the Warden to make up for the lack of preset personality and backstory, and I just couldn't. The lack of difference between dialogue choices just made it too difficult to actually create a personality. 

 

I hope the Inquisitor never comes back, and the next PC we get goes back to how Hawke was done (obviously we will never get something like the Warden again, since bioware wants the PCs to have voices now).

[Orian Tabris]

It should be incredibly obvious that BioWare will make an expansion where we can play as the Inquisitor. The only reason we didn't get one for Hawke, is because they cancelled it's production due to how poorly the game was received. As Origins and Inquisition have done and are doing so well, respectively, there is strong evidence in favour of an expansion.

 

Getting DLC is a given.

 

The Inquisitor will not, I repeat, will not be the protagonist of DA4.

[KaiserShep]

I'd be perfectly satisfied with any story DLC/expansion.

[Fran-kiki]

As long as Hawke stays dead. I killed him/her twice. She would have been a crap inquisitor, couldn't even save her mother/sister/city and her lover betrayed her. Think she had  potential to save the world? I'd be shitting myself if I'd lived in Thedas.

[Orian Tabris]

hopefully 0%

I'm fine with a few dlc's with the Inquisitor or maybe an expansion but hell no to a another game with the Inquisitor

 

He was just bland as hell basically a bad mix of the Warden and Hawke

 

Bland like paper, you think? Maybe BioWare is just trying to save the Thedosian environment with bland PCs? Did you ever think of that? No? Didn't think so.

 

[DuskWanderer]

I hope not. Personally, I like having a different protagonist each game since we always go to new places. If we go to Tevinter, let me be in the Imperial Chantry. If we're in Antiva, a Crow. Weisshaupt, a Warden.

 

Let me be different, and immerse myself in that place. 

[rapscallioness]

No, thank you. I mean, I would love to be able to play a PC over two, if not 3 games. But I do not want that PC to be the Inquisitor.

 

Sorry, but nope. Do not want.

[Arvaarad]

I greatly prefer having a different protag each game. Dragon Age is the story of Thedas, not the story of any of the individuals that happen to live there.

Sticking to one hero would just feel restrictive, to me. Even if they explored the whole continent, they would be limited by their lifespan and their background/the lens through which they see the world. If I had kept my Warden, I'd be seeing everything through the eyes of a bumbling Circle elf who was porking Zevran. I don't want to do that.

Plus, it's just improbable for one person to do all of the world-saving. It would make Thedas shallower as a "character" if one PC was emphasized too much.

[Isaidlunch]

I'd prefer they keep returning characters to an absolute minimum and to not refer to previous PC's at all. Scrapping save importing would be even better but that's clearly not going to happen with all the effort they've put into the Keep.

[Scofield]

This game would have been better served with one race, human, and Hawke returning as the pc, my opinion

[Ashagar]

Hopeful its a different sort of character like a Tevinter Magister or antivan crow and not another warden or I can't save anything and everything I do makes the world worse Hawke. As I see it the Inquistor's the clean up crew, dealing with the wardens, Hawke's and everyone elses mess so the next game won't have to deal with it. My guess the Inquisitor will have some DLC to deal with the remaining messes like the horde of harvesters that escaped after the warden left that Tevinter/Dwarven lab.