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[Saphiron123]

Completely disagree. I liked my Warden a great deal... I liked my Hawke too. The myth arc in Dragon Age just isn't headed for a single unified character arc like Mass Effect did... it would feel forced. Especially if they started it now. Remember that the Warden was a cipher- you could put almost any thoughts in his/her head. The sheer number of possible stories for that character is so large that they'd spend the equivalent of an entire game development cycle just sorting out all the choices and origins (multiply the number of origins by the number of choices, then multiply that by the number of outcomes).

 

Awakening was as much of a conclusion as we really needed. We got to see what our Wardens did next. Then they buggered off and had lives. I'm about done with the interconnectedness of the DA stories thus far... it's barely plausible as it stands. It's time to create a whole new cast and move on with a new hero.

 

Preferably someone we've never seen, or been in the general vicinity of- so that as few characters as possible can pop in for implausible cameos. Like a Dwarf. From Kal Sharok.

 

I don't want to be the Chosen One. I want to be the unlikely hero who people think is the Chosen One, because of a propensity for solving problems at the right place at the right time. If Bioware gave us back one of our previous heroes, it would become very difficult to swallow the notion that we were anything but divine intervention incarnate, and frankly at that point my whole investment in the series would find itself defenestrated.

The warden wasn't ordained, he just beat the archdemon. On his own. As for the interconnectedness, if you take that way, you're not playing dragon age anymore. You'd have to leave ferelden entirely for good, and even then you'd be blowing off everything from flemith to the blight.

So basically you're asking for a completely different series...

[TheOgre]

Sorry dude, but if you don't like wardens or darkspawn, you sort of dislike dragon age... it all revolves around the warden and his actions, down to who is king and who you're going to meet.

 

Mostly true, but I fear some may cling to the theory that DAO no longer matters and that they'd be fine by completely losing the warden fanbase and going forward with Tevinter, Qunari, and Orlais/Ferelden political shtuff..

 

I do not think it's a wise thing to exclude the wardens. Take them out, and take darkspawn out, you'll find a core element removed which makes the universe more special than other similar settings with political middle age stuff.

[Saphiron123]

Mostly true, but I fear some may cling to the theory that DAO no longer matters and that they'd be fine by completely losing the warden fanbase and going forward with Tevinter, Qunari, and Orlais/Ferelden political shtuff..

 

I do not think it's a wise thing to exclude the wardens. Take them out, and take darkspawn out, you'll find a core element removed which makes the universe more special than other similar settings with political middle age stuff.

Agreed. It'd be like playing mass effect and taking out the reapers and sheperd, except before any of those storylines were wrapped up. And nothing in DAI compares to the darkspawn and the broodmothers... and what about the architect, or the other magisters, or the sleeping old gods that are going to become archdemons?

The best stories are still warden stories. DAI was cool, but it has nothing like ostagar or the battle for denerim.

[TurretSyndrome]

After seeing the epilogue, I strongly believe the next game or major DLC will be centered around Weisshaupt and the Grey Wardens. However, I do not think the Warden will be made into the protagonist again. Most likely they'll be a character aiding us in a quest much like Hawke, but hopefully with a lot more involvement. 

[Saphiron123]

That'd work. It's be so much easier to make him playable though because unlike Hawke, he doesn't have a good/bad//funny personality set. Even the inquisitor has that to a degree.

I'd love to see weisshaupt though, explore the old gods and darkspawn origins some more... I wonder where those other magisters went too. Above all I want the most dramatic, story heavy option available... not sure anybody but the warden could fill those shoes.

[TevinterSupremacist]

Yes, let's bring back the warden. A blood mage who works with darkspawn, sacrifices slaves for power, utilises soul-imprisoning golems and elf-slaughtering werewolves and has almost reached the status of a demigod would be very fun.

 

Who knows, maybe he can get rid of the chantry....

[TheOgre]

Yes, let's bring back the warden. A blood mage who works with darkspawn, sacrifices slaves for power, utilises soul-imprisoning golems and elf-slaughtering werewolves and has almost reached the status of a demigod would be very fun.

Who knows, maybe he can get rid of the chantry....

At least he had choice =P

For the record, I'd really be on board if orlais just fell. That Kingdom can burn slowly to crisp. Can I have my blood mage dark spawn sympathizer help? I'm sure taking a ****** at the Ivory tower would be lovely.

[Winged Silver]

I don't know....I mean I loved my warden. And certainly, when DAII came out, I was a little sad that I wouldn't be seeing them again. But at the same time, Origins was really self contained. It didn't really leave me with a sense that the story was going to continue (or even that it should).

 

The major reason I'd like to see the Inquisitor return more than the Warden was because I didn't feel the same sense of 'finished' from Inquisition. The Warden did their goal, and did it in such a way that there was a sense of completion (at least for me). With the Inquisitor, I get this impression that there's still more left to be done (perhaps due to the cliffhanger nature of the ending). 

 

As much as I'd like to see the Warden interacting with their friends and LI again...I dunno. I'd kind of rather see the Inquisitor get a more finalized ending to their saga.

 

But that being said.....I'm not against seeing the Warden again either just throwing in my two cents.

[sunnydxmen]

no please dont i want  a new hero not a repeat dragon age is about the world not the wardens.

[Saphiron123]

I don't know....I mean I loved my warden. And certainly, when DAII came out, I was a little sad that I wouldn't be seeing them again. But at the same time, Origins was really self contained. It didn't really leave me with a sense that the story was going to continue (or even that it should).

 

The major reason I'd like to see the Inquisitor return more than the Warden was because I didn't feel the same sense of 'finished' from Inquisition. The Warden did their goal, and did it in such a way that there was a sense of completion (at least for me). With the Inquisitor, I get this impression that there's still more left to be done (perhaps due to the cliffhanger nature of the ending). 

 

As much as I'd like to see the Warden interacting with their friends and LI again...I dunno. I'd kind of rather see the Inquisitor get a more finalized ending to their saga.

 

But that being said.....I'm not against seeing the Warden again either just throwing in my two cents.

Well there's still dlc to be done, so the inquisitor isn't finished yet. He'd be tough as a new protagonist though in another game because... well, the guy (girl) is rediculously rich and powerful. The inquisitor will probably be more powerful then alistair/anora by the end of inquisition.

 

 

no please dont i want  a new hero not a repeat dragon age is about the world not the wardens.

You really want to meet everyone again every single game? they need to wrap up the current plotlines before they introduce yet another protagonist. I don't want to have to meet everyone every single game, and I definitely don't want to never have answers on flemith, morrigan, the god baby, the calling. Once they wrap up the plotlines, we can have another new hero... otherwise the story is going to be really disjointed.

And it's pretty warden centric. Let's face it, even DAI was completely about darkspawn. Corypheus and his archdemon was behind it all... the darkspawn makes for the best stories.

Let's not have a new hero every single game, or none of our decisions will ever pay off.

[Dai Grepher]

The only way this works is if they max out the custom character creator to have all options from Origins and all voices (except Robin Sachs of course, R.I.P.) and then add new features to customize the Hero's personality in multiple detailed ways. Then they have to write for every possible character archtype. And each line must be voiced.

 

That would take a lot of work, so limiting the Hero to a smaller role would work better.

 

Either that or go back to silent protagonist, which I wouldn't mind actually if it means seeing exactly what is said before selecting it.

[Saphiron123]

The only way this works is if they max out the custom character creator to have all options from Origins and all voices (except Robin Sachs of course, R.I.P.) and then add new features to customize the Hero's personality in multiple detailed ways. Then they have to write for every possible character archtype. And each line must be voiced.

 

That would take a lot of work, so limiting the Hero to a smaller role would work better.

 

Either that or go back to silent protagonist, which I wouldn't mind actually if it means seeing exactly what is said before selecting it.

Well voices wise after all this time I think they could have a little freedom, I mean the warden never spoke except basic "understood", "that was a tough fight etc." so options like in inquisition (4 voices or so) would probably do the job.

They should definitely show us the first line of what we say, there's a great thread about that right now actually.

The biggest change would be physical, obviously the warden would have be redesigned for modern tech, but that's actually cooler then it is with Hawke because you wouldn't just be updating your warden, you'd be aging them 10 years. Would they look exactly alike, no. Then again, do any of us look like we did 10 years ago?


 

[blackdeath]

NO it's time for Biowear to make a New Game a New IP start fresh same Team New concept...Patrick weeks can write He should replace Gaider as lead Tho.....

[Rawgrim]

So you don't want questions answered or the warden's story with morrigan etc and the calling wrapped up put of text because of some gameplay changes? Dragon age is about story man, and who says he can't dual wield in the next game? They can do whatever they want. In fact they can add in most of those things to a new game easily, its just customization stuff, and half of it is stuff people have complained about and they'll probably change anyway.

Story is the best part of dragon age, they need to wrap up some of these plot lines and it shouldn't be in text boxes. It should be in fully voiced cinematic cut scenes.

 

I'd rather not see the warden again, than see him in some dumbed down game, yes. The combat and the level system as gone so much downhill that it is a joke.

 

It would be like getting a new Indiana Jones movie, with Justin Bieber starring as Indy.

[Saphiron123]

I'd rather not see the warden again, than see him in some dumbed down game, yes. The combat and the level system as gone so much downhill that it is a joke.

 

It would be like getting a new Indiana Jones movie, with Justin Bieber starring as Indy.

But not seeing him again would ignore the calling, the cause of the blights, the decisions made in the past. it'd be like playing mass effect and instead of dealing with the reapers changing characters to someone dealing with less important issues.

It's true, he has to be done right, but the calling, finding the old gods, discovering the source of the blight, the ones behind it (probably magisters like corypheus), and tying up storylines like morrigan's with a main character who has reason to care about the situation as opposed to someone whose meeting her for the first time... I don't know, sounds awesome. Plus, imagine stuff like meeting leliana if you fought her at the urn of scared ashes, my warden did, and she talked about it with my inquisitor. Divine Victoria is very angry with the warden. Morrigan could be a lover or someone you tried to murder.

Plus, are we going to conclude the old god baby storyline without ever seeing the father again? "Oh hey morrigan, i wish i could be there but i have other stuff to do, so here's a letter, and best of luck to you".

Anyway, why does he have to be dumbed down, with some stylish moves and 10 years older, the warden could be awesome yet again. And the reapers of dragon age are the darkspawn, it's the only real world shattering threat. Even DAI is, at heart, about an ancient darkspawn and his trusty archdemon.

DA2 wasn't, and the mages/templars were never as big a threat as ostagar or denerim was in origins.

[Saphiron123]

NO it's time for Biowear to make a New Game a New IP start fresh same Team New concept...Patrick weeks can write He should replace Gaider as lead Tho.....

So you want to end dragon age without finishing any of the storylines? No flemith, no conclusion to the blights?

That was suck, very very much.

A new IP is a separate thing, you don't have to kill dragon age to do that. And once we ahve answers and everything is tied up, cool, give us a prequel or something set years later, or in a different land. They need to finish the story.

[Enzar17]

I'm just genuinely sad about the Warden not being in Inquisition because it seemed like a really big deal. Hawke and the Warden gone at the end of DAII made them seem tied together, then the trailer for Inquisition showed the Inquisitor and a default FemHawke mage with a guy I didn't recognize, so I assumed it would be the Warden. But nope, all you get is a crappy 16-hour (Jesus, really, it only takes like 10 minutes to kill a demon for f**** sake) table mission that gives you a codex entry. It takes like ten lines of code to pick the right combination of paragraphs for the letter, that's not even twenty minutes. I was really looking forward to actually MEETING my Warden and hearing her talk for the first time after hundreds of hours of gameplay, but nope, I get a pre-generated letter and I'm supposed to be happy with that. I feel robbed, honestly. Especially when Morrigan, Leliana, Alistair, Zevran, all of them have made at least an appearance in a later game, but not the Warden because BioWare is too scared that fans won't like his/her voice. At this point, I don't honestly think we would care that much as long as there is a choice like there was with the Inquisitor. I know I wouldn't care even if there was no choice, I just want to hear her voice. But nope, all we can hope for is a DLC, and I don't think it'll happen.

[Merlik]

I just want to play a warden going on a long expedition into the deep roads. Doesn't have to be another blight or the end of the world, just something related to dark spawn. 

[In Exile]

Sorry dude, but if you don't like wardens or darkspawn, you sort of dislike dragon age... it all revolves around the warden and his actions, down to who is king and who you're going to meet.

Almost none of DAI even touched on what happened in DAO in any important way.

[Brockololly]

I'd love to play as the Hero of Ferelden again, provided that they had a reason for being in the story. So yeah, if we're dealing with Darkspawn again or curing the Calling, absolutely, I'd want to play them again. Or in my case,  my Warden romanced Morrigan, so if she turns up again in a big plot role, I'd like to be able to interact with her again as  my Warden.

 

I kind of doubt BioWare would be willing to do a whole game with them as the PC but even if it was having them as a playable PC for a section of the game, that would be great.

 

But as we get farther out from Origins, both in real world time (its a 6 year old game now) and within DA (its been 10 years) I imagine the events of Origins and characters from Origins will be less relevant or at least not resemble how they were in Origins.

[Enzar17]

Plus, are we going to conclude the old god baby storyline without ever seeing the father again? "Oh hey morrigan, i wish i could be there but i have other stuff to do, so here's a letter, and best of luck to you".

 

That's another thing, if the OGB just becomes a get-out-of-jail-free card for the end of Origins, then there is no moral grey area about doing the ritual. If you do it with Morrigan, nobody dies and only good things can happen, done. Why would anyone choose differently after that? It's not like BioWare to leave it like that, so that's my one hope about getting my Warden-Commander back.

 

On yet another note, The Architect is also a completely unfinished storyline if he's still alive. Corypheus was another one-shot DLC boss, and he came back as the main antagonist of the whole game. Why did we have to say whether or not The Architect is dead in the Keep if it's only important for an arbitrary line of dialogue? I don't buy it.

[Saphiron123]

I'd love to play as the Hero of Ferelden again, provided that they had a reason for being in the story. So yeah, if we're dealing with Darkspawn again or curing the Calling, absolutely, I'd want to play them again. Or in my case,  my Warden romanced Morrigan, so if she turns up again in a big plot role, I'd like to be able to interact with her again as  my Warden.

 

I kind of doubt BioWare would be willing to do a whole game with them as the PC but even if it was having them as a playable PC for a section of the game, that would be great.

 

But as we get farther out from Origins, both in real world time (its a 6 year old game now) and within DA (its been 10 years) I imagine the events of Origins and characters from Origins will be less relevant or at least not resemble how they were in Origins.

Oh yeah, it has to be a warden story with personal implications. Big ones. And that's the kind of story inquisition wasn't... the hero was sort of sucked into it all (literally).

 

 

That's another thing, if the OGB just becomes a get-out-of-jail-free card for the end of Origins, then there is no moral grey area about doing the ritual. If you do it with Morrigan, nobody dies and only good things can happen, done. Why would anyone choose differently after that? It's not like BioWare to leave it like that, so that's my one hope about getting my Warden-Commander back.

 

On yet another note, The Architect is also a completely unfinished storyline if he's still alive. Corypheus was another one-shot DLC boss, and he came back as the main antagonist of the whole game. Why did we have to say whether or not The Architect is dead in the Keep if it's only important for an arbitrary line of dialogue? I don't buy it.

Hell, make the OBG a major side villain sort of like the leader of the red templars or venetori. A new warden will have a tough enemy, an old warden will be facing his or alistair's or loghain's kid, a game without the god baby would have one fewer storyline standing between the warden and source of the darkspawn.

And speaking of darkspawn, Corypheus was one of the magisters, but there's more... who else but the warden could handle a bunch of them? And if the architect was alive, there's a major player with or against them, since he doesn't seem to be a magister himself. He deserves another appearance.

I loved the architect, as an enemy, a friend, or both, I hope to see him again.

[Spectre Impersonator]

The Warden is dead.

[Shechinah]

(to Enzar17) Because his death marked a refusal to ally with him while him living marked an agreement to ally with him. 

[Saphiron123]

The Warden is dead.

One of my wardens died, and he had an orlesian replacement. And there's always room for a new one with some dialogue changes.

If you never had one survive, you aught to replay origins.