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[Captain Wiseass]

 

Also, as has already been pointed out, some peoplees Wardens are dead due to the Ultimate Sacrifice ending in Origins, and those that still live, given the amount of time that has passed since Origins (I don't remember how many years exactly it is that Alistair says the Warden's got to live in Origins) but aren't we getting close to that given the timeline?

Alistair said about 30, so the Warden's calling would come circa 9:60 Dragon. So there's time yet, as I doubt Inquisition covers 20 years.

 

But it's unlikely the Warden will ever show up in much more than cameos.

[Saphiron123]

I never said that I would not like a story with my hero, I just believe they won't. I'll only be ok if they bring the warden back IF they make it a serious reason to bring back the warden. As to the calling, they do somewhat have that figured out, you hear noises, which means your time is almost there. you either die in the deep roads fighting dark spawn or you turn into on of them. the time span of a wardens life is about 30 years, it's been 10 years after the warden became "the warden" so almost half of his/her life is already gone. and like BioWare has stated themselves, Dragon Age is about Thedas and the events around it (the Templar and mage war, keeping stability between Fereldan and Orlais, reestablishing the chantry and ect, not JUST blights or dark spawn. The series is more than just dark spawn so you're crazy if you think the series is all about dark spawn cause if that were true then where were they in DA II and DAI? they were not mention much and they had NO impact in the game between those two.

DA2 was the weakest in the series and lacked darkspawn, true. Still fun despite the gameplay flaws, but nothing all that major happened. As for DAI, Corypheus is a darkspawn. A darkspawn blew up the conclave, started the war, raised the red templars and the venatori, raised a false archdemon, and split the sky.

DAI was all about darkspawn, just one of them. And he has six magister brothers who we haven't even seen yet.

Show me a better villain then six monsters on par with corypheus, the two remaining archdemons (i think there's two left) and the entire darkspawn horde. Add to that the fact they probably have a leader, whose behind the calling.

No impact? The last 100 hours you played were due to a single darkspawn.

[Saphiron123]

Alistair said about 30, so the Warden's calling would come circa 9:60 Dragon. So there's time yet, as I doubt Inquisition covers 20 years.

 

But it's unlikely the Warden will ever show up in much more than cameos.

There's an orlesian warden, and there's always the possibility of a fresh warden commander, who'd have different dialogue and not be referred to as the hero or recognized by the old warden's friends. So dead warden's aren't really a problem... just different dialogue, it won't affect the central threat of the game.

[Captain Wiseass]

Reasons they can aren't the same as reasons they will. Bioware has said they're basically done with the Warden. Accept that.

[Saphiron123]

Blights are part of the world, but that's not nearly all there is to them. It's also not what I'm interested in the most.

 

The hero of Ferelden's story might very well have ended. It's not up to me or you-- BioWare decides this, and saying the Warden has not accomplished anything else of note, or explaining whatever else there is to him/her in a way that doesn't involve them directly, is very much valid. There is no need whatsoever for a veteran in order to include another Blight in a Dragon Age game.

 

The Wardens have the reputation they deserve. They should be disbanded and replaced by another organisation with the same purpose and entirely different methods and customs, as far as I'm concerned.

The hero isn't even from the same group of wardens as the ones corypheus used, nevermind weissept and the wardens in the free marches, tavinter, etc.

Anyway, telling us the warden is on a quest to stop the calling and find the soruce of the darkspawn is the ultimate tease. it's a story that deserves to be told. One of many.

 

Reasons they can aren't the same as reasons they will. Bioware has said they're basically done with the Warden. Accept that.

They said that when it was nearly impossible to bring the warden back, thanks to the keep and the system like the custom hawke system, they can now import across platform. Maybe they won't, but I sure as hell hope they do, because stories like morrigan's mean a lot less if it's a new protagonist every game, or worse, if they're never finished.

And if you look at the comments, I'm not alone in wanting to see the warden again. And most of the guys who don't, are guys who worry bioware will screw it up, which doesn't have to be the case.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Seriously, if you think bioware will change the warden and screw him up, why are you even playing dragon age... Better to have them try and fall a little short, then bail on the story.

 

Because a canon version of the Warden will not fit with what most players did in the creative process themselves. There were multiple origins, multiple races, and multiple personalities at play.

 

With only a single origin as a human, they were unable to accommodate the different personalities of Hawke, so it's hardly likely they could make a single satisfying version of a Warden who could take many dozens of different forms.

 

And why on Earth does any of that have to do with why someone would play Dragon Age when the story has moved beyond DA:O?

[Saphiron123]

Because a canon version of the Warden will not fit with what most players did in the creative process themselves. There were multiple origins, multiple races, and multiple personalities at play.

 

With only a single origin as a human, they were unable to accommodate the different personalities of Hawke, so it's hardly likely they could make a single satisfying version of a Warden who could take many dozens of different forms.

 

And why on Earth does any of that have to do with why someone would play Dragon Age when the story has moved beyond DA:O?

The inquisitor has multiple personalities, multiple races etc... I think it'd be damn hard to do a cameo, but playable? Doable. In the end it's all dialogue about the past, the main thrust would still be the story.

And truthfully, aside from cosmetic upgrades so hawke looks well... like a modern human. They nailed the personality pretty well. A comical hawke is still comical, a renegade hawke is still renegade, and a good hawke sounds and acts like a good hawke. Of course there were issues with some of the flags misfiring but they seem to be working now. Hell, they got the flag for morrigan being stabbed wrong at first, she thought she was in love with a female warden and had a baby. That doesn't mean they should never do another morrigan story or finish the ones that aren't done yet.

Most of the concerns seem to be whether bioware can do it. Don't we want them to try and give us the best experience? Or should they abandon our past decisions entirely and start from scratch with a reboot? Plenty of people have said that in these forums, and I wholeheartedly disagree.

Kind of blows my mind that even a minority would rather never find out about the calling or the source of the darkspawn, and only want the warden to appear as text boxes... why should the best, most invested character in the game, never make another appearance? If you never want to see him again, it doesn't matter if they don't quite succeed and many of us would love it, and if you do, you probably hope to see him again at some point.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

And truthfully, aside from cosmetic upgrades so hawke looks well... like a modern human. They nailed the personality pretty well. A comical hawke is still comical, a renegade hawke is still renegade, and a good hawke sounds and acts like a good hawke.

 

I'm not sure how you managed to get all of that out of DA:I's Hawke, but I guess... good for you?

 

My Hawke's personality did not resemble sarcastic Hawke from DA 2 at all. Along with Morrigan's personality at the White Palace, it was the most disappointing thing about DA:I, for me, so far.

 

I would much rather that they move on to new characters than bring back old ones, only to fail to do them justice.

[Captain Wiseass]

What awful writing, having people's personalities change after a number of years!

[Saphiron123]

I'm not sure how you managed to get all of that out of DA:I's Hawke, but I guess... good for you?

 

My Hawke's personality did not resemble sarcastic Hawke from DA 2 at all. Along with Morrigan's personality at the White Palace, it was the most disappointing thing about DA:I, for me, so far.

 

I would much rather that they move on to new characters than bring back old ones, only to fail to do them justice.

I had problems with flags too, my morrigan didn't remember being stabbed and thought the warden was the father of her child. it sucked, but hopefully it'll be fixed.

Some changes are going to happen, but morrigan was also on her best behavior at court, outside she felt like morrigan, at least to me. A little older and wiser perhaps.

I'm ALL for new characters. Later. First there's so many storylines and everything with these characters they need to wrap up. Once that's done, I totally support a new storyline and everything, even a different land. Still, I want to see some of this wrapped up, and it's hard to know the warden is on this grand adventure trying to find the source of the calling, and see all his companions, and have him regulated to a letter and some dialogue.

Bioware is a solid company, I think they'll do it justice.

[Yulia]

The dark spawn live underground in a never ending war with the dwarves. They also are the ones who make an arch demon by first and literally digging up an old god and then tainting it which then turns it into an arch demon. It's all in the codex if you look it up. Also yes Corey is a dark spawn but he never made the dark spawn as a whole a threat to Thedas, he himself was the only one and he wanted in the Fade. I don't consider him as the reason why the dark spawn were all about in the Inquisition. There are 6 other magistrates who were tainted but they're all questions for now as they could either be dead or have never had a reason to come to the surface to be a threat. The one thing about the calling though is it happens when a warden is to old and they either die in the deep roads or they turn into a dark spawn themselves so maybe there isn't a single creature behind the dark spawn, it's possible it's just what naturally happens to wardens after a certain time. I believe "The warden" is really researching about it and seeing if they can 1. delay it and let wardens last longer or 2. find a way to cure it so wardens can live out the rest of their lives till death by age. Now if there really is a creature behind the calling I believe they'll attempt to stop it and maybe that will let the wardens be but I honestly think it's just a natural stage once having the taint for so long. it's possible the calling can be controlled by a single creature as corey has proven to manipulate it and control the wardens. You're right there should only be two more blights as there's 7 old gods and 5 have been killed off unless you don't count the one in Morrigans son. Lastly I don't think the warden was the most invested character as 1. he/she had one game to her just like the inquisitor and hawke. 2. BioWare has said they planned on one protagonist each game so no same main characters unless the fan base really pushes for it. So far it hasn't happened and people have been trying for years since Origins. I don't care what game I get so long as it has it's lore, great character interactions and deserving of a title made by BioWare. I'd love to be my warden again but at the same time I don't care.

[Yulia]

Just know I'm not against it, I'm just trying to fill you in on a few things that are already answered that you have said are not answered. It would be really nice if I can find a way to quote someone's reply too, it sucks cause then some people don't know what i'm replying to lol. I tried the quote and multiquote button but every time I click it and type stuff and then enter it, it never shows that one person's quote that i'm replying to so if anyone has a tip it would be nice. I might be doing something wrong idk yet lol.

[b10d1v]

Timing is an inconsistency in the game mechanics and the plot as well.   Cullen's mind was a mess 30 years really? Sera 10 years since she was burying stuff she'd stolen in the sand and that fits better with the general plot.

 

There is already a mechanism to handle a dead warden, so I don't see the argument against Saphiron's concept.  If you have the warden in the plot several times and references to cures for the darkspawn taint, why not? -Sounds like they simply ran out of time and his having healing seemed problematic; although the plot speaks of mage healers consistently I don't see an issue over egos. 

[Mummy22kids]

Haven't read the responses but my thought would be... Sweet Andraste NO!

[WildOrchid]

A comical hawke is still comical

 

No. 2 lines don't make Hawke "comical".

 

She wasn't the unapologetical humorous Marian Hawke I had in da2, where she sassed everyone. The diplo/humo/agro personality option in Keep was pointless since It only gave Hawke 2-3 different lines and nothing more.

 

This is what happens when you put a ex-protagonist with personality options in next game. Hence why it's better if the warden doesn't make any appearance at all.

[Konstantin]

Warden story is over there is no reason for him to return, better to get new protagonists each game. Personally I like to create new characters and it is better for them to be unimportant. Our warden is already powerful a symbol to everyone especially Ferelden, and you don't want Bioware to ruin his legacy! Inquisition story was ok but for me they can do better in the next installment, and of course more Darkspawn please its a shame Corypheus did not use them, I would love visit Deep roads again... "sigh"

[Saphiron123]

No. 2 lines don't make Hawke "comical".

 

She wasn't the unapologetical humorous Marian Hawke I had in da2, where she sassed everyone. The diplo/humo/agro personality option in Keep was pointless since It only gave Hawke 2-3 different lines and nothing more.

 

This is what happens when you put a ex-protagonist with personality options in next game. Hence why it's better if the warden doesn't make any appearance at all.

I agree Hawke was underused, but at least mine made a few quips... hawke needs more screen time.

I do think the warden would be next to impossible to add as a side character, he'd probably have to be playable. The it all comes down to our decisions affecting dialogue about the past and the choices we make now.

Still bugs to be worked out in inquisition though, but i definitely noticed differences with each of my hawkes. Still, it's been three years of war, if my comical hawke was more serious overall I think I'd get it.

[Saphiron123]

Warden story is over there is no reason for him to return, better to get new protagonists each game. Personally I like to create new characters and it is better for them to be unimportant. Our warden is already powerful a symbol to everyone especially Ferelden, and you don't want Bioware to ruin his legacy! Inquisition story was ok but for me they can do better in the next installment, and of course more Darkspawn please its a shame Corypheus did not use them, I would love visit Deep roads again... "sigh"

Definitely more darkspawn... a broodmother with modern tech would be seriously gross and awesome. Inquisition didn't even give the regular darkspawn an intro cutscene in valmarr, I have no idea what they look like except they're basically slightly moidifed soldiers.

As for new characters, there will be many to come... another few playthroughs of inquisition to be sure (and i just started a new game of origins, which blows my mind, and it's sooooo good.

Ostagar is still the best battle in DA history, and has more soldiers then all of inquisition combined (apparently I have a huge army, I never saw much of it though).

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

What awful writing, having people's personalities change after a number of years!

 

Anyone can claim "it's a different character now, because it has been several years." That's not good writing, however, it's only a weak justification for changing a character, or canonizing a single version of a character that was role-played by the players.

 

If the you're bringing a character back, only to change them into a new character, why bring them back, at all? I don't see the point.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I had problems with flags too, my morrigan didn't remember being stabbed and thought the warden was the father of her child. it sucked, but hopefully it'll be fixed.

Some changes are going to happen, but morrigan was also on her best behavior at court, outside she felt like morrigan, at least to me. A little older and wiser perhaps.

 

I'm not referring to The Keep. I'm referring to the fact that Morrigan, in DA:O, was a wild and anarchistic woman, who was raised in the woods by Flemeth, and who repeatedly mentioned in dialogue that she had trouble navigating city people's social rules, because they made no sense to her.

 

Having her suddenly become an expert player of "the game" did not feel true to her character at all, to me. Even if one can claim she learned how in the intervening years, it is little more than a justification for redefining her character traits in order to justify the inclusion of her as a member of the Orlesian Court. It wasn't an organic evolution of her character.

[Konstantin]

Definitely more darkspawn... a broodmother with modern tech would be seriously gross and awesome. Inquisition didn't even give the regular darkspawn an intro cutscene in valmarr, I have no idea what they look like except they're basically slightly moidifed soldiers.

As for new characters, there will be many to come... another few playthroughs of inquisition to be sure (and i just started a new game of origins, which blows my mind, and it's sooooo good.

Ostagar is still the best battle in DA history, and has more soldiers then all of inquisition combined (apparently I have a huge army, I never saw much of it though).

 

Dragon age Origins was a Masterpiece when it came out, well for me still is my favourite game. Bioware decided a different route with Inquisition less cutscene more action, exploration, something like Skyrim but many things we liked in Dragon age Universe gone. Tactics for example was the best, to choose every character how to battle is very nice now you have only enable, preferred and disable which I don't like. Potion restriction is bad, remove camps and return the skills like herbalism make all these elfroots worth gathering. There is more but I drop it here, because I am off topic. 

[Biotic Flash Kick]

Yes please

 

hawke belongs in the fade for releasing the shittiest villain we've ever had 

 

8 voices

4 fereldan / 4 orlaisan = non sacrifice / sacrifice 

[TheOgre]

Please dear god, if we're doing another freaking protagonist, do not make it as bland as the inquisitor was.

 

Maybe the HoF shouldn't make a comeback or the Warden-Commander. I'm tired of being these big time characters. I liked Hawke because he was basically NOTHING, made a name for himself outside despite having a family heir.

 

Inquisitor or Warden Commander or what have you.. They HAD armies. One of the many things that bothered me was feeling alone in despite leading a big army (save for adamant and arbor wilds). 

 

But I want to play as a Warden again, if we are going to Weisshaupt. Maybe a redemption style quest to earn back the reputation the morons created with the demon army and divine incident. It'd be very disappointing to see them just abandon the wardens however, and I maintain that the universe has to have Wardens or else it'd just be another generic fantasy world. Orlais and Ferelden just don't interest me enough to keep me going.