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[TheOgre]

Wardens and darkspawn are my least favourite thing about Dragon Age so the less to do with them the better. 

 

I'd rather have a villain with a personality than generic evil orc army.

 

Plus why redo what we've already seen. I want something new, like the Elvhen Gods or Tevinter.

 

Chances are we will do something with elf gods, but they will probably involve the darkspawn in a significant way, as they do try to find and taint the old gods to spawn an arch demon. Think of it as the reapers of Mass Effect, just, less powerful and galaxy destroying.

[Saphiron123]

Alright so there's a tiny minority out there who hate darkspawn and want wardens without an enemy... Far out. Like Vargh1 says they're like the reapers of thedas. Some of is would apparently like to be chatting with the Salarians while shepherd saves the galaxy

I for one don't want to be some guy playing politics and minor while the wardens investigate the calling and find the source of the darkspawn. And darkspawn 10 years ago were limited, they could be so much more twisted and disgusting now.

"Hey Inquisitor, the wardens call for aid against corypheus' former allies and their horde of darkspawn and corrupted old gods"

"Nah, I'm having tea with the empress of Orlais, and tavinter is complaining about Qunari land claims again".

"By the way the Qunari have gone full circle, lost their horns again, and now they're just really pretty slightly bigger people"

Sigh... I miss the Arishok. And that is why I don't want bioware to tackle the Qunari right now. The redesign sucks.

I know they can't make the darkspawn fit into a twilight novel.

[TheOgre]

Alright so there's a tiny minority out there who hate darkspawn and want wardens without an enemy... Far out. Like Vargh1 says they're like the reapers of thedas. Some of is would apparently like to be chatting with the Salarians while shepherd saves the galaxy

I for one don't want to be some guy playing politics and minor while the wardens investigate the calling and find the source of the darkspawn. And darkspawn 10 years ago were limited, they could be so much more twisted and disgusting now.

"Hey Inquisitor, the wardens call for aid against corypheus' former allies and their horde of darkspawn and corrupted old gods"

"Nah, I'm having tea with the empress of Orlais, and tavinter is complaining about Qunari land claims again".

"By the way the Qunari have gone full circle, lost their horns again, and now they're just really pretty slightly bigger people"

Sigh... I miss the Arishok. And that is why I don't want bioware to tackle the Qunari right now. The redesign sucks.

I know they can't make the darkspawn fit into a twilight novel.

 

I missed the Arishok of DA2.. He was such a good character. We got the ability to be a qunari but, we weren't really 'qunari" and I didn't expect IB to be so.. Not qunari like..

 

We had contact with the other spies from the qunari lands but, I understand why too, they were all elves/humans... peft..

 

We couldn't be given one TRUE qunari in SP?

[In Exile]

I missed the Arishok of DA2.. He was such a good character. We got the ability to be a qunari but, we weren't really 'qunari" and I didn't expect IB to be so.. Not qunari like..

 

We had contact with the other spies from the qunari lands but, I understand why too, they were all elves/humans... peft..

 

We couldn't be given one TRUE qunari in SP?

 

We did get a true Qunari. The IB has a crisis of faith when the Qunari set up with a Sophie's choice loyalty test, but otherwise he generally embodies all of their beliefs. 

[TheOgre]

Glad I said I myself don't consider him truly qunari

[Kali073]

Kind of blows my mind that even a minority would rather never find out about the calling or the source of the darkspawn, and only want the warden to appear as text boxes... why should the best, most invested character in the game, never make another appearance? If you never want to see him again, it doesn't matter if they don't quite succeed and many of us would love it, and if you do, you probably hope to see him again at some point.

 

You know, we could find out about all of these things without our Warden. The warden is not some superspecialawesome magical key to unlocking these mysteries... Another protagonist could do it as well. If you need a warden... well, our warden is hardly the only one left.

 

As for the whole old god baby...

 

Spoiler

Morrigan's son doesn't have the old god soul anymore so there isn't an old god baby. Flemeth took the soul and something happened between her and Solas, he either absorbed her or she possessed him, so it could be worked into any future plots about Solas.

 

That said, I don't ever want to play as the warden ever again. I wouldn't be opposed to the warden joining the Inquisitor or future PC as an NPC like Hawke though. I don't trust them to get it right because of the simple fact that when you play, you add a lot of headcanon justifications and reasonings. They couldn't even get it right in the Awakening epilogue slides where my Warden apparently left the GW to frolic around with Zevran... my Warden took her duty as Warden-Comander very seriously and wouldn't leave her post like that.

 

Given how intensely attached many people are to their warden, even if they could bring back the warden it would most likely not be worth it because of the inevitable backlash. Also, they're never going to invest in the amount of VA people seem to want for it to work. VA work is expensive.

[AlanC9]

I for one don't want to be some guy playing politics and minor while the wardens investigate the calling and find the source of the darkspawn.

Don't be silly. Why on earth would Bio write such a game? It's not like the Wardens are going to accomplish something like that without the writers making it happen.

[Saphiron123]

Don't be silly. Why on earth would Bio write such a game? It's not like the Wardens are going to accomplish something like that without the writers making it happen.

Oh no, let me clarify. The wardens will be bathing in the blood of archdemons and magister, the inquisitor is the one who'll be having tea with the empress while the wardens are knee deep in blood. The inquisitor is now a wealthy politician with an army, almost a king. The warden is still a soldier.

I want to see some inqisition dlc, but they wrote themselves into a corner with the inquisitor, he's so powerful he can't be a PC again unless they put him in a completely different land (and they can do that with the warden as well, who has more history with the major plotlines).
 

 

You know, we could find out about all of these things without our Warden. The warden is not some superspecialawesome magical key to unlocking these mysteries... Another protagonist could do it as well. If you need a warden... well, our warden is hardly the only one left.

 

As for the whole old god baby...

 

Spoiler

Morrigan's son doesn't have the old god soul anymore so there isn't an old god baby. Flemeth took the soul and something happened between her and Solas, he either absorbed her or she possessed him, so it could be worked into any future plots about Solas.

 

That said, I don't ever want to play as the warden ever again. I wouldn't be opposed to the warden joining the Inquisitor or future PC as an NPC like Hawke though. I don't trust them to get it right because of the simple fact that when you play, you add a lot of headcanon justifications and reasonings. They couldn't even get it right in the Awakening epilogue slides where my Warden apparently left the GW to frolic around with Zevran... my Warden took her duty as Warden-Comander very seriously and wouldn't leave her post like that.

 

Given how intensely attached many people are to their warden, even if they could bring back the warden it would most likely not be worth it because of the inevitable backlash. Also, they're never going to invest in the amount of VA people seem to want for it to work. VA work is expensive.

The local wardens really crapped the bed, they need a hero... and true, there's a lot of thought into what made our wardens who they are, but it was also 10 years ago, even in our heads they'll be a little different now. And inquisition does pretty well with four voices, I could live with that, the warden never had anything but one liners for swinging his sword and moving in DAO anyway. My warden went adventuring with zevran as well, but that was after ameranthine, it's not like she quit, it's also just something some people were saying she might have done, if i recall correctly.

Not everybody is going to agree, but the idea of updating my warden 10 years into an older and wiser soldier from the kids they started out as really appeals to me.

And a new PC is always an option, just if a hero is imported, there'd be different dialogue and fewer introductions. I REALLY want to see him encounter leliana, my warden currently in the keep killed her at the urn of sacred ashes, and she had a lot to say about that in inquisition... it'd be very, very tense. He also stabbed morrigan who he romanced when she abandoned him before the final battle for turning down the ritual... no new PC can live out the impact of those things.

I think bioware can do it, and the story will be that much richer just to have the option of using the HoF.
 

 

We did get a true Qunari. The IB has a crisis of faith when the Qunari set up with a Sophie's choice loyalty test, but otherwise he generally embodies all of their beliefs. 

I like Iron bull, but he has zero in common with sten and the arishok and every other qunari we've ever seen. They're stoic and blunt, maybe IB has been in ferelden too long, who knows, but he acts like a human. I want to see some qunari kind of like sten, dedicated to their job and nothing else, stoic and awesome.

Plus, why do qunari all have human eyes now, in DA2 they had the black eyes with white irises, really bummed we can't have those and make a qunari who doesn't look like a human with horns... plus now qunari seem to have one horn on each side, look at the ones in Da2, most have 2 or even 3. And you can't make something half as impressive as the arishok in the CC.

The new qunari are very "pretty". Here's hoping the new krogan in ME4 won't be based off supermodels...

[Kali073]

The local wardens really crapped the bed, they need a hero... and true, there's a lot of thought into what made our wardens who they are, but it was also 10 years ago, even in our heads they'll be a little different now. And inquisition does pretty well with four voices, I could live with that, the warden never had anything but one liners for swinging his sword and moving in DAO anyway. My warden went adventuring with zevran as well, but that was after ameranthine, it's not like she quit, it's also just something some people were saying she might have done, if i recall correctly.

Not everybody is going to agree, but the idea of updating my warden 10 years into an older and wiser soldier from the kids they started out as really appeals to me.

And a new PC is always an option, just if a hero is imported, there'd be different dialogue and fewer introductions. I REALLY want to see him encounter leliana, my warden currently in the keep killed her at the urn of sacred ashes, and she had a lot to say about that in inquisition... it'd be very, very tense. He also stabbed morrigan who he romanced when she abandoned him before the final battle for turning down the ritual... no new PC can live out the impact of those things.

I think bioware can do it, and the story will be that much richer just to have the option of using the HoF.
 

 

 

Yeah, but are they even going to pay money for four voice actors for a dlc character (the warden in this case) that might not even appear (since he/she could be replaced by an NPC)? It doesn't seem very cost effective. I can agree that the warden would be a little different after ten years but a lot of people won't be able to accept that. Besides, why insist on bringing back your warden if it isn't going to be your warden?

 

One of my problems with this "bring back the Warden" ideas is that I don't see a purpose to it besides fanservice (and no, I don't mean the sexy kind). Any plot role could easily be filled by another character (a new Grey Warden even) and this is Inquisition DLC, the Inquisitor should be the star of the party. You bring up the Warden attempting to kill Leliana and Morrigan but not everyone chose those kind of options. Personally, my warden was on very good terms with both Leliana and Morrigan when they left so for me there isn't any conflict to resolve there - and I'm not the only one with that kind off playthrough.

 

Also, I feel curing the calling is something that's way too big for DLC (perhaps if it was awakening length...) but it's also something I don't really want to happen. Part of the charm with Grey Wardens is the idea of duty and sacrifice they embody and the calling is a part of that so for me curing the calling would  be taking away what makes them Grey Wardens. Also, I think I remember reading somewhere that the DA writers regret stating that it was "30 years" in DA:O. That it was actually less than that (usually) and that wardens who became wardens during a blight apparently succumbed faster. I won't make that an argument against it though, since I can't give a source for it and it's way too late where I live to look for it.

 

I'll admitt I might be a little prejudiced against this idea beacuase it isn't exactly new. Believe me there has been a lot of threads like this. A lot. So I might be a little sick of the way people cling to the Warden like he/she shits gold even though I really love my warden, too. I suppose given how popular it is to make this thread you can say that there is a market for this DLC  but the fans that visit these boards are only a small part of those that buy the DA games. Not everyone that bought and played DA:I has played the previous titles, for them bringing back an old PC is entierly pointless.

 

That's it for me, time to sleep. I do appreciate that while you're very insistent on this, you argue about it fairly calmly. Threads like these usually don't... end well...so to speak.

[Saphiron123]

Yeah, but are they even going to pay money for four voice actors for a dlc character (the warden in this case) that might not even appear (since he/she could be replaced by an NPC)? It doesn't seem very cost effective. I can agree that the warden would be a little different after ten years but a lot of people won't be able to accept that. Besides, why insist on bringing back your warden if it isn't going to be your warden?

 

One of my problems with this "bring back the Warden" ideas is that I don't see a purpose to it besides fanservice (and no, I don't mean the sexy kind). Any plot role could easily be filled by another character (a new Grey Warden even) and this is Inquisition DLC, the Inquisitor should be the star of the party. You bring up the Warden attempting to kill Leliana and Morrigan but not everyone chose those kind of options. Personally, my warden was on very good terms with both Leliana and Morrigan when they left so for me there isn't any conflict to resolve there - and I'm not the only one with that kind off playthrough.

 

Also, I feel curing the calling is something that's way too big for DLC (perhaps if it was awakening length...) but it's also something I don't really want to happen. Part of the charm with Grey Wardens is the idea of duty and sacrifice they embody and the calling is a part of that so for me curing the calling would  be taking away what makes them Grey Wardens. Also, I think I remember reading somewhere that the DA writers regret stating that it was "30 years" in DA:O. That it was actually less than that (usually) and that wardens who became wardens during a blight apparently succumbed faster. I won't make that an argument against it though, since I can't give a source for it and it's way too late where I live to look for it.

 

I'll admitt I might be a little prejudiced against this idea beacuase it isn't exactly new. Believe me there has been a lot of threads like this. A lot. So I might be a little sick of the way people cling to the Warden like he/she shits gold even though I really love my warden, too. I suppose given how popular it is to make this thread you can say that there is a market for this DLC  but the fans that visit these boards are only a small part of those that buy the DA games. Not everyone that bought and played DA:I has played the previous titles, for them bringing back an old PC is entierly pointless.

 

That's it for me, time to sleep. I do appreciate that while you're very insistent on this, you argue about it fairly calmly. Threads like these usually don't... end well...so to speak.

I see what you're saying, but to clarify, I don't want a dlc. Inquisition is about the inquisitor, I'd rather see a full game dedicated to the warden's return... the inquisitor is rich and powerful, he'll never be a PC again, and by all means he ABSOLUTELy deserves a complete story as well.

I'm in total agreement, this would not be a dlc. This would be a full length game, with either a new warden commander or the warden... I want to see weisshaupt, orzimmar, denerim, see old friends and allies with our decisions modifying the experience. Nah, full game is definitely required. And I like my inquisitor very much (and there will be others) and I want a little more time with him also.

And in response to what my warden chose, that's just one of them, i want to see them on good terms too, I want to see all the possibilities actually and hear as many variations as possible... I have like 6 wardens over time, I've even spared loghain (and his cameo in inquisition is awesome). You may not have a rivalry, but don't you want to see the warden encounter morrigan on screen again? or Shale or Alistair?

Yeah I'm always calm, I just think it sounds like a great story finding the source of the calling and the darkspawn... way too important to be told in boxes of text.

And there's always new for new wardens for those who don't have old ones... the story would have some different dialogue, but it still sounds amazing. 

[NathanPhoenix1]

Just please make him a hero. not a halfa## villain like Old Republic coughRevancough

[Saphiron123]

Just please make him a hero. not a halfa## villain like Old Republic coughRevancough

Yeah, I want to control them again. I could deal with the warden as a villain if it was done amazingly well with the darkspawn as part of a totally amazing narrative, but I'd rather have a real hero, stomping magisters and darkspawn left and right.

Also, big battles. Denerim and ostagar style.... inquisition's army was badly underused.

[In Exile]

I like Iron bull, but he has zero in common with sten and the arishok and every other qunari we've ever seen. They're stoic and blunt, maybe IB has been in ferelden too long, who knows, but he acts like a human. I want to see some qunari kind of like sten, dedicated to their job and nothing else, stoic and awesome.

Plus, why do qunari all have human eyes now, in DA2 they had the black eyes with white irises, really bummed we can't have those and make a qunari who doesn't look like a human with horns... plus now qunari seem to have one horn on each side, look at the ones in Da2, most have 2 or even 3. And you can't make something half as impressive as the arishok in the CC.

The new qunari are very "pretty". Here's hoping the new krogan in ME4 won't be based off supermodels...

 

They look human because they engine has to allow them to have customizable faces without being specially designed outside of the toolset. But that's neither here nor there.

 

The Qunari aren't all stoic. And the Arishok isn't stoic. He's incredibly volatile. We see him throw a tantrum basically every conversation. The IB has a jovial personality, but the Arishok and Sten are nothing alike beside their tendency to say "no". 

[Nykara]

That could work actually, I don't know if they'd actually reference him as the Hero however because he died. Concern would be they'd have to build the game with two different characters in mind.

Nah only a few minor changes such as the Hero title being removed for the other one. Or simply call them both Warden-Commander to make it easier.

I would give anything to be able to play my Warden again and have the origins team back again. Maybe even a couple of additions from the following games in there as well. I would love to see the Grey Warden's built up again and fighting the big bad darkspawn etc sadly I think there may be too many nay sayers on the forums to make that happen

[AlanC9]

Oh no, let me clarify. The wardens will be bathing in the blood of archdemons and magister, the inquisitor is the one who'll be having tea with the empress while the wardens are knee deep in blood. The inquisitor is now a wealthy politician with an army, almost a king. The warden is still a soldier.
I want to see some inqisition dlc, but they wrote themselves into a corner with the inquisitor, he's so powerful he can't be a PC again unless they put him in a completely different land (and they can do that with the warden as well, who has more history with the major plotlines)...

The Inquisitor wasn't going to be the PC next time anyway, unless Bio's changed policy again.

Again, you're worried about something that only exists in your fantasies.

[Saphiron123]

You know, everyone says they plan to have a new PC every game, but the only thing they've officially said is they won't have another silent protagonist... Unless I've missed something, I can't find anything in the past few years.

And This is feedback and suggestions, it exists for us to offer our opinions on what we'd like to see. I am doing just that, and from the sounds of it there are many who agree with me, a few who are afraid bioware can 't do it justice, and a very small minority who never want to see the warden again on screen.

It might be in our fantasies, but so is every suggestion on this board.

It'd still be the best dragon age story and game (potentially) I think bioware can tell.

[Nykara]

I honestly don't get how this DOESN'T fit with Inquisition?

Inquisition created the calling that now has all Wardens wanting to go to the deep roads and get themselves killed.
Inquistion created the seed of hope that maybe this can be cured, whats more thatn someone is out there searching for that cure.

I for one want to play this out, see that it happens. Cure all my Wardens including the ones i care about. What's more I really want to know how Fiona is immune to the calling after having been a Grey Warden before. This doesn't feel like small time story information to me but fairly major plot information if all Wardens can be cured as soon as they start to hear the calling. I want to see this happen, I want to be the one to play this out.

[AlanC9]

You know, everyone says they plan to have a new PC every game, but the only thing they've officially said is they won't have another silent protagonist... Unless I've missed something, I can't find anything in the past few years.

Laidlaw posted it here in 2011; in August, IIRC. You want me to look it up for you?

It doesn't matter, though. Even if Bio changes their mind and we play the Inquisitor again -- it's quite conceivable that they might-- the idea that something important will happen in Thedas without the PC being involved is, bluntly, idiotic.

Modifié par AlanC9, 03 février 2015 - 12:43 .

[Saphiron123]

They look human because they engine has to allow them to have customizable faces without being specially designed outside of the toolset. But that's neither here nor there.

 

The Qunari aren't all stoic. And the Arishok isn't stoic. He's incredibly volatile. We see him throw a tantrum basically every conversation. The IB has a jovial personality, but the Arishok and Sten are nothing alike beside their tendency to say "no". 

Fair enough, stoic was the wrong word... but you get what I mean, if you put the qunari in inquisition in a room with every qunari we've ever met in previous games, they wouldn't fit in at all. The arishok and sten both had this way of speaking, slow and deliberate (when not enraged), dedicated totally to the qun and their position in things. And the new horns kind of suck.
 

 

Laidlaw posted it here in 2011; in August, IIRC. You want me to look it up for you?

It doesn't matter, though. Even if Bio changes their mind and we play the Inquisitor again -- it's quite conceivable that they might-- the idea that something important will happen in Thedas without the PC being involved is, bluntly, idiotic.

Ah there you, but that was four years ago too, imagine the technical implications in 2011 of doing something like recreating the warden as a speaking pc or npc in a totally different engine.

Man also said flight was impossible! The inquisitor seems unlikely to me because he's so rich and powerful that he'd be tough to bring back as a PC, with that in mind I hope he gets some seriously awesome and story based dlc.

And I hope you're right, the warden's mission sounds awesome, and hearing about it in text bummed me right out.

 

[9TailsFox]

That could work actually, I don't know if they'd actually reference him as the Hero however because he died. Concern would be they'd have to build the game with two different characters in mind.

They already did Dragon age Awakening.

[Saphiron123]

Nah only a few minor changes such as the Hero title being removed for the other one. Or simply call them both Warden-Commander to make it easier.

I would give anything to be able to play my Warden again and have the origins team back again. Maybe even a couple of additions from the following games in there as well. I would love to see the Grey Warden's built up again and fighting the big bad darkspawn etc sadly I think there may be too many nay sayers on the forums to make that happen

Meh, the naysayers are vocal, but outnumbered. We just have to be present and tell bioware what we want to see.
 

 

They already did Dragon age Awakening.

 

You know, I actually played the orlesian warden in one of my games where the warden did die, and he was a lot of fun because everyone distrusted him... I think if they go the two character route it'll basically boil down to different/extra dialogue, but because so few ever played an orlesian warden, I doubt they'd go to the trouble of voicing him etc (sort of like how he/she is absent from the keep).

When you get right down to it, the difference between an old warden and new one is sentiment (I'd really love to play my wardens again) and what they remember and how it comes across in discussion during the game.

I could live with his absence though, it'd my living wardens I'd love to see again, and the dialogue changes would make both new pcs and old totally rewarding to play.

[KaiserShep]

I would be extremely annoyed to have Inquisition DLC star a totally different protagonist, especially since it squanders any opportunity to get more content out of the companions that exist in that game, and of course the opportunity for the protagonist of this game to have his/her own new adventure.

[Nykara]

I am more scared now that my Cullen/Quizzy romance might end up messed up if they continue with the Quizzy! Yes trust levels of Bioware are not brilliant after ME3.

[Saphiron123]

I agree totally Kaiser. The warden should be in the next game. I like my inquisitor and I hope he gets some great dlc this time around.

Something like this wouldn't fit in a dlc anyway.

[Dherelv]

I think this discussion should go way further than just saying that "The Warden is Over" or "I did the ultimate sacrifice" or whatever.

More than just the Warden, I just think working with DA:O characters a little right now would be beneficial for Bioware and for the community of players.

 

I don't know about  DA4 though... that's a little harsh and feel misplaced. Also, i'd like a new story for a new full game, just like we had in inquisition which was great! We want new developments for Thedas as a general don't we? We want new places and new stuff for a new game.

 

I do feel though that a DLC (or even a full expansion) with lore based on DA:O characters would be the best move Bioware could make. Here's my logic:

 

As we've been seeing on the news, Inquisition is the most successful title for Bioware  in history, which means many new players just discovered the franchise. Those players are not familiarized with the story behind the events of this 3rd installment, and are most likely not going to play DA:O ou DA2 ever. And that is an awkward thing, i can tell since i didn't play DA2 and felt a little lost sometimes...

 

So bring the Warden, or a Warden Commander (like from Awakening for instance) for the ones that did the sacrifice, and write in a clever way to use the opportunity to feed the player with heavy lore about the events in the prior games. But don't just stop there! Bring other meaningful characters as well, playable or not. Make it like some kind of reunion.

 

2 benefits from this:

 

It's a natural and elegant way to bring every new players of the franchise to the same page before going further on thinking about DA4 which should be started in several months from now anyway!

 

Give longtime fans the chance to immerse in the universe of the games they love once more.

 

You see, everybody wins.