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#151
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Damn straight. Out with Inquisition, in with Origins 2!


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Damn straight. Out with Inquisition, in with Origins 2!

Well I do like my quizzy as well. So some of both :D


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Well I do like my quizzy as well. So some of both :D

Well obviously, we all want some inquisitor dlc... I like my inquisitor. But DA4, warden territory to be sure. There's always a new PC option, a new lone warden to make to investigate the calling, but give us the dialogue surrounding our choices and let us bring back the hero of ferelden.

It's all past history, so it really boils down to dialogue and the chance to remake our warden 10 years later.

The decisions we've made will never mean as much when you take away the person they most affected, and hell, it'll be fun to play all our wardens and then make new wardens just to see how it changes the dialogue.

Make it happen Bioware!


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Sorry for the digression, but is it just me or does it seem like they threw dragons into Inquisition as an afterthought simply because somebody remembered the franchise is called "Dragon Age" and they were therefore obliged to have dragons appear in the game? (Not to suggest they did a bad job with the dragons, mind you)

Because the plot of this game has next to nothing to do with dragons. The ten high dragons aren't at all plot related, and Corypheuses's dragon is just a glorified pitbull. It doesn't add anything to the story by being there except "Ooh look, dragon!" nor would it's omission from the plot significantly impact the story.

It's as though the writers realized there's all kinds of things they can do with the lore they've rolled out so far besides "something to do with dragons." There's a ton of material to work with. But it's Dragon Age so... gotta have a dragon.

With hindsight, they should have just called the first game "Thedas", but then I suppose it wouldn't have sold as well.
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Sorry for the digression, but is it just me or does it seem like they threw dragons into Inquisition as an afterthought simply because somebody remembered the franchise is called "Dragon Age" and they were therefore obliged to have dragons appear in the game? (Not to suggest they did a bad job with the dragons, mind you)

Because the plot of this game has next to nothing to do with dragons. The ten high dragons aren't at all plot related, and Corypheuses's dragon is just a glorified pitbull. It doesn't add anything to the story by being there except "Ooh look, dragon!" nor would it's omission from the plot significantly impact the story.

It's as though the writers realized there's all kinds of things they can do with the lore they've rolled out so far besides "something to do with dragons." There's a ton of material to work with. But it's Dragon Age so... gotta have a dragon.

With hindsight, they should have just called the first game "Thedas", but then I suppose it wouldn't have sold as well.

 

Dragon Age refers to the time period, because Dragons returned to the world if I recall correctly. 

 

But you're right in that a title like "Dragon Age" is better for marketing and probably makes people think of Dungeons and Dragons immediately. 



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(to II Divo) I believe it was because dragons had previously been believed to be extinct and the age was named because it was discovered that there were still some dragons left in the world.

 

That and it sounds epic; Dragon Age.


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Well i was thinkin on...

My warden with oghrem and my mabari called Till are preparing the ritual to my inquisitor and then!! voila! my inquisitor is a warden :D

then i dont go to help the mages and templars, just go to find the wardens and make my story

 

i have to say my celestial castle is decorated with grey warden stuff



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(to II Divo) I believe it was because dragons had previously been believed to be extinct and the age was named because it was discovered that there were still some dragons left in the world.

 

That and it sounds epic; Dragon Age.

There was a high dragon in origins who was totally optional as well. My warden's made sweet sweet armor from his scales.

I guess the archdemon and the false archdemon are dragons too... pity the false one was so easy.

The true archdemon in origins was pretty tough and had stremas of enemies backing him up, a good final boss fight.


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Sorry for the digression, but is it just me or does it seem like they threw dragons into Inquisition as an afterthought simply because somebody remembered the franchise is called "Dragon Age" and they were therefore obliged to have dragons appear in the game? (Not to suggest they did a bad job with the dragons, mind you)

Because the plot of this game has next to nothing to do with dragons. The ten high dragons aren't at all plot related, and Corypheuses's dragon is just a glorified pitbull. It doesn't add anything to the story by being there except "Ooh look, dragon!" nor would it's omission from the plot significantly impact the story.

It's as though the writers realized there's all kinds of things they can do with the lore they've rolled out so far besides "something to do with dragons." There's a ton of material to work with. But it's Dragon Age so... gotta have a dragon.

With hindsight, they should have just called the first game "Thedas", but then I suppose it wouldn't have sold as well.

I wouldn't say that.

 

Flemeth is a dragon herself and a major player in the plot. As are the Blights and Old Gods which are dragons. Dragons themselves are an main part of the major plot that is running through the games. 



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I wouldn't say that.

 

Flemeth is a dragon herself and a major player in the plot. As are the Blights and Old Gods which are dragons. Dragons themselves are an main part of the major plot that is running through the games. 

Flemeth can be a dragon, but she's more than that I think. even with Flemith though, I want to meet her again with my warden, have her respond to their last meeting and the decisions he made. Did he defeat her? Make a deal?

A new PC would fit in fine, but that extra dialogue would add a lot to the encounter.



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Incidentally I want to see Sandal again. He was kind of horrifying in DA2, but still, loved that little guy...



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Yeah. Since the Warden keep DLC in DA:O my interest in the Grey Warden mage has pretty much transcended all other aspects of the series. I mean it doesn't really have to feature a blight itself, just spell/ability crafting exploring the full scope of the tainted blood and a fitting story to go along with it and companions from DA:O. and it'd it be called "Dragon age: Disappearance" since adults ages 18-35 would never leave the house again.

 

Avernus: "Only under wardens can true magical research continue. A chance to rediscover the secrets of Ancient Tevinter"



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For the next DA chapter, i wanna Play the Inquisitior again and surely no new type of hero.

Its time to grow the history of one of them HoF/Hawk/Inqui. HoF is too much Long ago, and we couldnt decide what

way of the HoF toke and we dont know what adventures are passed. So, the Options now are Hawk or Inqui.

Personaly id like to Play Inqui.dont want a Change every game:S Here is the most potential for new stories and decisions for

a new very big game.



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No no no. It would be the end of the DA franchise if they would reuse old protagonists.



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If it hasn't happened yet, I don't think it's going to happen.

 

Every game that passes makes the Warden look uglier and uglier in comparison to ever improving modern graphics. Every game sells to an audience that is less and less likely to have played the Warden in the first place. Every game has the Warden age further and further, which is very difficult to properly show on a custom character.

 

Plus, one of the voice actors is dead.


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I would like to have my Warden in DAI but maybe like Varric said about heroes and them not making it in the end of their stories kinda thing.  This would def give all of us a much needed closure to our beloved hero.   On the other hand bio probably should create a DLC for our inquzie to try to save him/her only to help our warden doing the Shepard ending to save the world lol I dunno do I think we should see our warden.. hell ya the tech they have recreating Hawke would be great for our warden but there needs to be the exclamation point ending on the warden's story so that we are finally happy and people can move on.



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The true archdemon in origins was pretty tough and had stremas of enemies backing him up, a good final boss fight.


The AD in Origins was p*ss easy, the only slightly difficult part was being heavily outnumbered by darkspawn forces.

As for the Warden, they shouldn't come back as the main character again, this is Dragon Age not Mass Effect, they should just rename it Dragon Effect if they ditched the "Thedas is the real main character" idea & just brought the Warden back for future games as DA's Shepard just cos some people can't move on from DA:O, also BW would likely get hate no matter how they did it so it wouldn't be worth it with all the fan outrage they'd have to deal with

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I would like to have my Warden in DAI but maybe like Varric said about heroes and them not making it in the end of their stories kinda thing.  This would def give all of us a much needed closure to our beloved hero.   On the other hand bio probably should create a DLC for our inquzie to try to save him/her only to help our warden doing the Shepard ending to save the world lol I dunno do I think we should see our warden.. hell ya the tech they have recreating Hawke would be great for our warden but there needs to be the exclamation point ending on the warden's story so that we are finally happy and people can move on.

I agree. The warden has to return... I'd prefer playable so I can keep them all "my wardens" and make the decisions that would fit the character for myself. I don't want them condemned to a box of text from here on out.

I also think the dlc for inquisition should revolve around the inquisitor.

 

 

The AD in Origins was p*ss easy, the only slightly difficult part was being heavily outnumbered by darkspawn forces.

As for the Warden, they shouldn't come back as the main character again, this is Dragon Age not Mass Effect, they should just rename it Dragon Effect if they ditched the "Thedas is the real main character" idea & just brought the Warden back for future games as DA's Shepard just cos some people can't move on from DA:O, also BW would likely get hate no matter how they did it so it wouldn't be worth it with all the fan outrage they'd have to deal with

Why can't they have a choice? A new character for you who doesn't want old characters to return or for world states with dead wardens, and the necessary dialogue changes for those of us who want our wardens back. To me, my decisions don't mean anywhere near as much without the warden there to be part of the outcomes, I want to see him again. You can start a new character and introduce yourself to morrigan if you like.

It's just dialogue, and reactions. Don't bring yours back then, let the rest of us have the choice, because a lot of us loved our wardens, and frankly, the search for the calling and the source of all darkspawn sounds amazing. That measn the remaining magisters, the sleepingarchdemons, brood mothers, the deepest of deep roads, dwarves... it'd be one hell of a story.

And the thedas is the main character idea isn't set in stone. Do you really want to introduce yourself to every single character every single game, over and over?

It's not that we can't move on, it's that we love the character, and we want to see that character updated and returning.



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If it hasn't happened yet, I don't think it's going to happen.

 

Every game that passes makes the Warden look uglier and uglier in comparison to ever improving modern graphics. Every game sells to an audience that is less and less likely to have played the Warden in the first place. Every game has the Warden age further and further, which is very difficult to properly show on a custom character.

 

Plus, one of the voice actors is dead.

The warden had action dialogue and little else, there's room to work there. it's not like they had a single line of actual story related dialogue. And it's been 10 years, that's not that hard to update in the cc... hell, the wardens were done on an ancient engine. To make them real you'd only have to get down some basic features and you'd have a slightly older warden in no time.

Same type of 4-6 voice choices would work with the warden same as they would here. I could tell you what my new origins warden sounded like when i open doors and stuff, but it wouldn't be hard to overlook a slight change of voice... and as for my older wardens from back in the day, no idea what they sounded like.

Who really cares if the voice they make when they scream random battle shouts is a little different? Just give me some quality options that sound about right (hell, let's face it, i love origins but by today's voice acting standards it's a little weak anyway).

And really it's only been two games, it's not like it's been 8.



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For the next DA chapter, i wanna Play the Inquisitior again and surely no new type of hero.

Its time to grow the history of one of them HoF/Hawk/Inqui. HoF is too much Long ago, and we couldnt decide what

way of the HoF toke and we dont know what adventures are passed. So, the Options now are Hawk or Inqui.

Personaly id like to Play Inqui.dont want a Change every game:S Here is the most potential for new stories and decisions for

a new very big game.

I'd rather see my warden again, but I could settle for another game with the inquisitor and see him later. Problem is the inquisitor isn't a soldier, he's basically a king or the pope. He's sort of written into a corner... hope he gets some killer story based dlc though.

Honestly I think the whole new pc for every game won't work out long term, some people are married to the "story of thedas" idea but I really think the idea of starting fresh with all our past decisions shaping the world and meeting everyone over and over again will get really old.

"Hey Morrigan, I've known you across three games and hundreds of hours, but please explain to me who you are." And don't take that the wrong way, Morrigan is awesome I hope to see more of her, it'd just be nice if she recognized me, whether I'm her former lover, her enemy, or her travelling companion.

At least she knows who the inquisitor is, and I get to make a new PC everytime I play and the option will always be there, but let's have a new warden PC where we can import (and get the different dialogue) for the hero of ferelden if we choose. A dead warden can be replaced by someone greener.



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There was a high dragon in origins who was totally optional as well. My warden's made sweet sweet armor from his scales.

I guess the archdemon and the false archdemon are dragons too... pity the false one was so easy.

The true archdemon in origins was pretty tough and had stremas of enemies backing him up, a good final boss fight.

 

I dunno. The archdemon didn't really seem all that difficult to me. It certainly looked epic because of the way the area was designed and the music and such, but the mobs of darkspawn were easy to take out, especially if you had a melee-oriented army, and the archdemon itself only made the battle longer in that it kept flying away, sometimes to that inaccessible area that you had to use either your ranged abilities or the ballistas to take care of it.

 

Now, the one thing that I found to be really tricky was getting in the last shot, because I refuse to let Alistair steal my glory and get that epic slow mo killing blow. Sigrun was such a pain in the ass about this!



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I dunno. The archdemon didn't really seem all that difficult to me. It certainly looked epic because of the way the area was designed and the music and such, but the mobs of darkspawn were easy to take out, especially if you had a melee-oriented army, and the archdemon itself only made the battle longer in that it kept flying away, sometimes to that inaccessible area that you had to use either your ranged abilities or the ballistas to take care of it.

 

Now, the one thing that I found to be really tricky was getting in the last shot, because I refuse to let Alistair steal my glory and get that epic slow mo killing blow. Sigrun was such a pain in the ass about this!

Yup, the warden and his companions knew how to finish a fight. I loved deathblows, behading a guy or jumping on a dragon's back and stabbing it in the head.

Though, speaking of the final blow (though i know you mean the last normal hit) the greatest moment in dragon age history for me was when my dalish warden who romanced alistair and was forced to give up the relationship when he became king went to take the final blow, and alistair said "you act like I'm giving you a choice" before taking it himself. She was meant to die, and survives to this day.

Only one warden of many, but origins was so much more personal, inquisition doesn't change much game to game and the decisions are pretty limited. That's why I want to see my warden again, none of the other PCs come close, and 90% of the decisions affecting our world belonged to the warden anyway.

No new PC can really get the full experience. And for those who don't want the warden, there's always a new warden option for them and wardens who died.


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Damn straight. Out with Inquisition, in with Origins 2!

I like Inquisition... I just really miss my protagonists. Nobody else can fill the role. And his current quest into the deep roads to find the source of the calling and the darkspawn just sounds awesome... and I had to read about it in text.

I mean Corypheus is ONE magister, there's still others, how much do you want to bet they're the cause of the blight? The warden is going to be knee deep in darkspawn blood, going through the deep roads, maybe orzimmar and kal shirok with the dwarves, there's going to be broodmothers and archdemons and ancient ruins... basically the total reverse of what we've seen in DAI (and if i ever set foot in another forest, it'll be too soon).

Right now playing dragon age is the equivalent of playing mass effect, and playing a different character in mass effect 2 doing something less important, while Anderson tells you what shepherd is upto via codex entry.


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I support you, bro. Please, bring back Hoskar, Lord Prince Aeducan, Alive Paragon, hero of Fereldon, Warden Commander! As many people already said on this forum, I want answers. DAO left many open things! What's They will say in next game? "Where is the hero Grey Warden?" Dead? It's a easiest answers, but most of Warden wasn't dead. Still unseen? What is his (her) problem? It impoverishes the story. There are people Who dislike him (her) or left to die. There is also a way to resove this problem. Criate another char when the our Warden appaers . Don't They like to criate another char else? I don't. I really want to play another time with Hoskar. Go to Ozarmmar and Deep Road. Talk again to Morrigan (who he has a child), Leliana, Ailister, many other. I want to see by "own his eyes" What Thedas turned after Blight... Now, before the Inquisition. I want to see what happen with him in 9:30 to 9:32...

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I support you, bro. Please, bring back Hoskar, Lord Prince Aeducan, Alive Paragon, hero of Fereldon, Warden Commander! As many people already said on this forum, I want answers. DAO left many open things! What's They will say in next game? "Where is the hero Grey Warden?" Dead? It's a easiest answers, but most of Warden wasn't dead. Still unseen? What is his (her) problem? It impoverishes the story. There are people Who dislike him (her) or left to die. There is also a way to resove this problem. Criate another char when the our Warden appaers . Don't They like to criate another char else? I don't. I really want to play another time with Hoskar. Go to Ozarmmar and Deep Road. Talk again to Morrigan (who he has a child), Leliana, Ailister, many other. I want to see by "own his eyes" What Thedas turned after Blight... Now, before the Inquisition. I want to see what happen with him in 9:30 to 9:32...


exactly I want to be able to face the consequenses of my decision as warden and not as a new character, this has always been a problem when introducing a new character because meeting familiair faces and the decisions you made before always felt disconnecting.
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