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[Saphiron123]

I don't think the Warden is coming back.

 

Patrick Weekes at PAX East

 

Spoiler

 

SOMEONE ASKS IF WE'LL BE ABLE TO PLAY THE GREY WARDEN FROM DAO AGAIN: "The honest answer is, I wouldn’t want to go back to the Hero of Ferelden. I think the hero had a freaking awesome story — you had chance to die heroically, or you had chance to survive and ride off into the sunset with their lover.

 

But remember when you all asked for Hawke to come back, how are you people feeling about that now? So i’d say be careful what you wish for. If we brought the hero back, I'm not sure it would be a happy story.

 

 

I don't know how accurate this transcript is (and they do change their minds) but idk...doesn't look good for the Warden showing up again.

Yeah but they brought Hawke back as an NPC... it was bound to be very touchy. I'm sad he doesn't see the difference.

Disappointing though, I was excited about Weekes being put in charge, he's done some awesome stuff, but apparently he's going to follow Gaider's lead and make our protagonist a box of text.

Was holding out hope though, nether DA2 or DAi captured the magic of origins. Neither hawke or the inquisitor felt like the main event. And the search for the source of the darkspawn and the caling sounded like a great game... better ten delivering flowers in the hinterlands for +2 power, to be sure.

[AlanC9]

Does it actually matter if we see bella from redcliff again in one of her possible outcomes if it's always a new guy who has no reason to care who she is? Do you really want to meet leliana for the first time in every single game?

Matter to who? Me, or my new PC? Just because my PC doesn't know who Bella is doesn't mean that I don't know. If I'm curious to see what happened to an NPC, that wouldn't change no matter who I'm playing. Similarly, I don't mind meeting Leliana for the first time when I'm playing a new PC. I don't see why I should.

We'd just spend the series hearing about the decisions of our original PCs in boxes of text.

What makes you think the Warden's ever going to do anything important again? You went on about this before, but you never explained why Bio would let an NPC do anything more important than what the PC was doing.

[Saphiron123]

Matter to who? Me, or my new PC? Just because my PC doesn't know who Bella is doesn't mean that I don't know. If I'm curious to see what happened to an NPC, that wouldn't change no matter who I'm playing. Similarly, I don't mind meeting Leliana for the first time when I'm playing a new PC. I don't see why I should.

What makes you think the Warden's ever going to do anything important again?

You don't think investigating the source of the darkspawn and the calling is important? That means magisters dude, all Corypheus' old pals. The architect for example.

Anyway, sounds like it's dead idea. Doesn't matter.

The dragon age I knew is long gone, replaced with fetch quests, automated ai, quests from discarded papers, and a new character every game. 

The reason I want to see the warden again isn't just because he's my favorite, though he is, it's because when I read his letter in game and my actions were having zero meaningful impact on the rest of DAI, I thought "man, I wish I was doing that". And I do.

Just my opinion, but goddamn, I think that finishes my hopes for dragon age. 

[KaiserShep]

You can blame the Warden's death being part of the default world state. Like, if the Warden is dead, is there any mention anywhere whatsoever about any search to cure the Calling? If not, that should tell you something.

[AlanC9]

You don't think investigating the source of the darkspawn and the calling is important? That means magisters dude, all Corypheus' old pals. The architect for example.

 

Like I said in the other thread, if it's important then our next PC will be up to his neck in it, one way or another. If there's anything that's actually going to be accomplished there, our next PC's going to be the one to do the accomplishing. Though I can see the Warden discovering the important problem that our next PC will end up solving, or something along those lines. But given what KaiserShep says, I'm not even sure that much is likely.

[Epzaos]

The Warden is done

[Dinerenblanc]

You can blame the Warden's death being part of the default world state. Like, if the Warden is dead, is there any mention anywhere whatsoever about any search to cure the Calling? If not, that should tell you something.

Fiona was supposedly cured of the taint, so there's that. 

[Saphiron123]

dragon age iis not that type series where it is the same hero from origins to the next into the next ,there will always be new heroes to rise up to save the world from evil ind dragon age.

Doesn't mean the old heroes should be written out and forgotten. Especially when neither hawke or the inquisitor were anywhere near as complex.

The inquisitor seems to give is choices but he's always kind of light, the warden could be cold and cruel, he could be noble and kind.

We didn't get many options with the inquisitor when you get right down to it, and in terms of the actual cinematic story rich content we're used to DAI had much less then it's predecessors. Jaws of Hakkon is hinterlands 2.0.

I'd like to see a real return to form, with a character who historically have is choices and has a personal stake in our past decisions and the lives of our companions.

I also want to find the monster behind the calling (magisters, the original darkspawn most likely) and stab it. I'd like to see the architect again (considering his similarity to corypheus I bet he took over another darkspawn if he died) and see what he's doing about the calling.

I'd like to stop fetch questing and play a real story-based bioware game. Not hinterlands 2.0 or 3.0.

[Spooky81]

As much I loved the Warden story, I can see where BioWare wouldn't want to touch it with a 20 foot pole.  People were upset over Hawke's cameo and how his/her behavior didn't reflect the way they roleplayed Hawke.  The guy playing A-hole, pragmatic Aeducan Warden or Blood mage, self serving power hungry Circle Mage Warden might may not be represented correctly in a DA:I DLC or DA4 cameo.

[Draining Dragon]

Please, no. Spare the Warden the indignity.

[Saphiron123]

As much I loved the Warden story, I can see where BioWare wouldn't want to touch it with a 20 foot pole. People were upset over Hawke's cameo and how his/her behavior didn't reflect the way they roleplayed Hawke. The guy playing A-hole, pragmatic Aeducan Warden or Blood mage, self serving power hungry Circle Mage Warden might may not be represented correctly in a DA:I DLC or DA4 cameo.

Which is why an option to play the hero would be best. I mean they have racial dialogue, why not let us bring in the hero or a new warden PC. In the end it's a title, some unique dialogue for either introductions/being recognized when you first meet your companions, and dialogue about some of your last decisions is you import a hero that a new PC wouldn't get.

The new pcs who replace dead wardens or for people who don't like their heroes would get slightly different dialogue here and there.

It's pretty doable. The wardens always had voices, just they'd have more accomplished voice actors now instead of bit comments, and with the cc you could age them 10 years.

Plus calling means dwarves and darkspawn, so it'd be heaven with some great scenes for your a-hole pragmatic aeducan. Mine died, so he'd be replaced with a new warden. Many of my other wardens would be great additions to the world and deserve better then to be a codex entry or box of text.

[Dai Grepher]

I think finding the Hero is the next logical step. There are other magisters like Corypheus that have to be dealt with, and the Inquisitor will want to help deal with them. It might be a good idea to have a cure to the taint while approaching this problem. Curing the magisters would automatically take their power to body jump.

 

There is also the possibility of Morrigan being controlled. Heroes who romanced her will obviously want to help her. Even Heroes who were friends with her will want to help.

 

Then you have to consider the Hero origins. A human noble might be King of Ferelden, and the Inquisitor potentially helps Ferelden in a number of ways. A dwarf might be a paragon of Orzammar, and might assist in making a peace agreement with Kal'Sharok. The Dalish elf might be interested in the elven lore involved in Inquisition.

 

There are just too many connections between the Hero and what is going on in the world of Thedas in 9:42. Ignoring the Hero is to ignore a major part of the series.

 

And if the Hero is dead, then the Orlesian Warden can take the Hero's place. He or she is most likely at Weissupt and must help deal with the issues raised during Inquisition.

[Saphiron123]

I think finding the Hero is the next logical step. There are other magisters like Corypheus that have to be dealt with, and the Inquisitor will want to help deal with them. It might be a good idea to have a cure to the taint while approaching this problem. Curing the magisters would automatically take their power to body jump.

There is also the possibility of Morrigan being controlled. Heroes who romanced her will obviously want to help her. Even Heroes who were friends with her will want to help.

Then you have to consider the Hero origins. A human noble might be King of Ferelden, and the Inquisitor potentially helps Ferelden in a number of ways. A dwarf might be a paragon of Orzammar, and might assist in making a peace agreement with Kal'Sharok. The Dalish elf might be interested in the elven lore involved in Inquisition.

There are just too many connections between the Hero and what is going on in the world of Thedas in 9:42. Ignoring the Hero is to ignore a major part of the series.

And if the Hero is dead, then the Orlesian Warden can take the Hero's place. He or she is most likely at Weissupt and must help deal with the issues raised during Inquisition.

You nailed it. Absolutely correct.

[Wintermist]

I dunno, I'm fine with a Warden really because he's at the heart of it no different from any other character I create. Same abilities, same everything except what he's doing. The playable Warden would require a new blight to feel proper to me though, and I feel I've done that already.

[Saphiron123]

I dunno, I'm fine with a Warden really because he's at the heart of it no different from any other character I create. Same abilities, same everything except what he's doing. The playable Warden would require a new blight to feel proper to me though, and I feel I've done that already.

That's the thing through, they gave us a twist on a blight. To search for the source of the calling that means entering darkspawn territory for the first time, it probably means the architect, the magisters, the pair of archdemons.

It'd be taking the fight to the darkspawn instead of waiting for the darkspawn to take the fight to us.

That's a story I want to see, it could be one of bioware's best if it's written right.

[Lux]

The Warden is done

 

Trying to find the cure for a certain ailment warrants closure beyond a simple text message. I'd love to see him/her once more, even as a cameo similar to Hawke.

[Captain Wiseass]

That's the thing through, they gave us a twist on a blight. To search for the source of the calling that means entering darkspawn territory for the first time, it probably means the architect, the magisters, the pair of archdemons.

It'd be taking the fight to the darkspawn instead of waiting for the darkspawn to take the fight to us.

That's a story I want to see, it could be one of bioware's best if it's written right.

https://www.youtube....h?v=j7leQB_Oe_k

[Frost]

For me my warden done is job by killing Archdemon, saving Amaranthine and becoming a legend. I don't wanna see her back but I want a hero like her.

 

With Inquisition we could have a very powerful hero, who have a massive influence on Thedas and who can live more stories.

 

But Bioware made the Inquisitor a boring character, I definitely want to see her again as a main character and becoming like the hero of ferelden not because of her actions but because of her unique personality and the good or bad choices she could make.

 

Playing inquisition gave me a bad taste like the story of my character is not finished, just started and that i know nothing about her. And she was like the hero from nowhere at the bad place at bad time. She didn't become a hero like the Warden or Hawke, she didn't grow and change, she was the herald/Inquisitor from the beginning to the end.

 

I think we don't specially need a come back of our warden, just a hero with a past, a personality and feeling made by us, a character we can love and be attached like the warden. Who can become a hero by his action not because is seen like a God's chosen one by the rest of the world.

 

PS : I'm french i apologize for all the mistakes i've made (hope you can get my point)

[Dai Grepher]

For me my warden done is job by killing Archdemon, saving Amaranthine and becoming a legend. I don't wanna see her back but I want a hero like her.

 

With Inquisition we could have a very powerful hero, who have a massive influence on Thedas and who can live more stories.

 

But Bioware made the Inquisitor a boring character, I definitely want to see her again as a main character and becoming like the hero of ferelden not because of her actions but because of her unique personality and the good or bad choices she could make.

 

Playing inquisition gave me a bad taste like the story of my character is not finished, just started and that i know nothing about her. And she was like the hero from nowhere at the bad place at bad time. She didn't become a hero like the Warden or Hawke, she didn't grow and change, she was the herald/Inquisitor from the beginning to the end.

 

I think we don't specially need a come back of our warden, just a hero with a past, a personality and feeling made by us, a character we can love and be attached like the warden. Who can become a hero by his action not because is seen like a God's chosen one by the rest of the world.

 

PS : I'm french i apologize for all the mistakes i've made (hope you can get my point)

 

My Inquisitor was the furthest thing from boring. Maybe you didn't play the game properly. There are chances to define your own Inquisitor's background, such as when talking to Josephine about your past in the Circle and with your family.

 

We already made a hero with a personality and a past. The Hero of Ferelden. You can have your new hero though. I would support an option to allow players to leave their Heroes out of the next game if they want to.

 

The simple fact of the matter is that the Hero can be one of the most powerful and influential characters in the entire world depending on player choice. So no, leaving the Hero out is simply not an option, and I believe BioWare has locked itself in to this path of bringing back the Hero.

 

There are just too many things happening right now for the Hero to "fade into the background" as Morrigan says the Hero is not the kind to do. With this information on the taint and the possible cure, the Hero is now the main focus once again, as discovering the true nature of the taint and it's origin is crucial to the storyline.

 

We also have possible Hero love interests in play here with Leliana and Morrigan. A possible Divine and a possible slave to Mythal. Also a possible CHILD of the Hero. We also have Heroes who are possible monarchs of Ferelden. No small role. And besides all this we have the fact that the Hero is a Warden whether the Hero likes it or not, and with Weisshaupt in chaos now, the Hero might just be needed to correct the situation. We also have two remaining old gods who could be corrupted at any time, as well as the possibility that some other false gods may be making some appearances later on. Who will stand against those ancient spirits I wonder. Who CAN stand against them?
 

[AlanC9]

I imagine our next PC will find a way to stand against them. That's how it usually works.

[Dai Grepher]

What, some nobody? Come on.

 

The Inquisitor became what was because of the anchor and the support of others in the Inquisition. The Hero became what was because of the Fifth Blight and the support of Ferelden and two other races. Hawke became... well, Hawke was never much of anything by comparison, but Hawke is at least skilled and capable by the end of it.

 

What forces exist that could possibly propel some new character to this level of greatness?

[KaiserShep]

Are you suggesting that a new protagonist could not possibly rise to the occasion to resolve whatever new conflict the next game has in store? What difference does it make if it's some nobody? They all started off small somehow anyway.

 

Anyway, I think the game of protagonist one-upmanship is a tiresome one. PC's in subsequent games should not automatically increase in power and influence compared to the past ones, or else it becomes plain ridiculous.

[Dai Grepher]

One could, but it would seem implausible. Especially when there are so many other existing characters who are better quipped to deal with these threats. Even if the Hero and Champion are dead, and the Inquisitor is Mythal's puppet, what would some newbie have to say about any of it? They wouldn't even know what's going on let alone be equipped to respond to it. They would need some source of power in order to tackle the problems. And in this case other characters already have such power. The rulers of the countries, Divine Victoria, those in the Inquisition. And they at least have some knowledge of what is going on. A new person has no clue and no power.

[Saphiron123]

I always get a kick out of people who say bringing the warden back would be a departure from bioware's vision.

The hinterlands and the jaws of Hakkon is bioware's vision right now. Giant pretty spaces with dialogue free fetch questing for +2 power to the exclusion of meaningful story. Maybe changing bioware's current vision wouldn't actually be bad for the series.

Or perhaps people want the next PC to spend his time collecting 30 vials of dragon blood, and oh, the could make the shards return twice as numerous to REALLY make the temple quest with the uninspired pride demon boss feel that much more satisfying.

Maybe we can find 100 copies of Varrick's next book rather then 50?

Screw their vision, I want a hero and a complex lengthy story. I want to take the fight to the magisters and suffer loss, triumph, and make hard choices to win the day.

Then my warden can fall, or ride off into the sunset.

I don't ever want a dialogue free quest end with +2 power again. It's time for a new vision.

[AlanC9]

What, some nobody? Come on.

The Inquisitor became what was because of the anchor and the support of others in the Inquisition. The Hero became what was because of the Fifth Blight and the support of Ferelden and two other races. Hawke became... well, Hawke was never much of anything by comparison, but Hawke is at least skilled and capable by the end of it.

What forces exist that could possibly propel some new character to this level of greatness?

What's your argument? The exact same forces that propelled the Warden and the Inquisitor to the top would be available for the next hero, if the circumstances demanded it.

And they would demand it. Competing characters would be conveniently sidelined, the same way Riordan and Duncan were. Or converted into support for the new PC. You know the drill.