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Remember Hold The Line after ME3 debucle? And the horrible marketing that followed if we're at that (remember "[ME3]provoked a bigger fan reaction than any other videogame’s conclusion in the medium’s history."?)

So anyway...

 

There were forums... were they disbanded?

What options for gamers - putting pressure on big companies/developers - are there?

I'm writing because of the recent stunt pulled by Ubisoft banning keys and taking aways games from user accounts...

My BS-o-meter just filled up and I cant take it anymore. I had enough of being constantly slapped in the face by PUBlishers. Here, there, then, now, in the future...

Is gaming society able to put up a fight against such nonsense?



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The only remotely large pro-consumer force in the gaming industry right now is persona non-grata (The Hashtag That Shall Not Be Named).

As for HTL, I have no idea what happened with that. One assumes that since it was focused on a single game, it would die out after interest in said game does, so I can't help you there.



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The Hashtag That Shall Not Be Named

I have noo idea what that means... I dont use Twitter if it is where it came from :/

 

 

tbh

You back? LOL!



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Excuse me ubisoft did what???

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Excuse me ubisoft did what???

 

Long story short a store sold keys for Far cry 4 and said keys were stolen and so Ubisoft deactivated them with no word to the buyers whatsoever. Not even a explanation.

 

Anyways as far as the anti publisher stuff goes there is gamersgate but that's such a massive convoluted mess it's been rendered meaningless in a few months. There really should be another less stupid one though. 


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Long story short a store sold keys for Far cry 4 and said keys were stolen and so Ubisoft deactivated them with no word to the buyers whatsoever. Not even a explanation.
 
Anyways as far as the anti publisher stuff goes there is gamersgate but that's such a massive convoluted mess it's been rendered meaningless in a few months. There really should be another less stupid one though.


I don't get it. Don't they have transaction data in their database? Ubisoft is really a piece of ****

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I pretty much think that the HTL thing was deleted among some other things in the Forum Transition...



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No, I ment HTL official site that was launched after ME3 endings dissapoinment. Later on the community grew and was a starting point for all initiatives where anti-gamer activities from publishers and the like could be combated...



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No idea what happened to HTL and I don't know of any video game movements that are ongoing.

 

The BBB A.K.A. The Better Business Bureau is the best thing that I can think of that'll help in this situation. 

 

They tend to be super-effective at garnering a response from huge corporations and getting things resolved. 



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Got to love poor information.

 

http://www.gameinfor...redit-card.aspx

 

Case in point, people bought Ubi game keys from sleazy sites and are surprised when the sleazy sites do sleazy things!

 

Hold the Line was bullsh*t from brats from the getgo, there's no reason it would stay.



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Hold the Line was bullsh*t from brats from the getgo, there's no reason it would stay.

Good its only, like, your opinion....



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Good its only, like, your opinion....

 

 

Sure is.

 

Edit: But let's be clear: any group that DEMANDS that an artist change their creative vision because the group has their panties in a wad doesn't deserve the time of day.

 

Be disinterested. Never buy a game from the company again. Mock them. But don't dare think you (not you hangman, you the HTLers) have the right to DEMAND that a creator change their creation to suit YOUR desires.

 

F*ck that two-year-old temper tantrum.

 

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I think you oversimplify the HTL. It became more than those who shouted we want a better ending. HTL in its core was about something different entirely. It was about standards, and keeping promises, fake advertising and outright lying to the gamers. In the face, lying, yes. Or did you forget about that? I didnt, thats why I''m not so hyped about upcoming ME4 as I could have been.

By the trends and things are going, see MMOisation in DAI for example, I fear ME4 wont be a game I wish to play... which is sad considering how much I enjoyed and invested (money, time, emotions etc) in the franchise.

 

The industry, and publishers in particular, NEED to change. They exploit status quo, and uncritical voices like yours are undermining the chances of something good happening. Lets face it, gamers are mostly a stagnant group. Because nowdays  more and more people can be called gamers but not in the sense I am a gamer nor you I suppose. Grey masses that dont question quality give a green light for unfinished and rushed products. Recent history of premieres are proof of that.



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Got to love poor information.

 

http://www.gameinfor...redit-card.aspx

 

Case in point, people bought Ubi game keys from sleazy sites and are surprised when the sleazy sites do sleazy things!

 

Hold the Line was bullsh*t from brats from the getgo, there's no reason it would stay.

 

Ah ok that actually makes sense. I still feel they should have been quicker with an explanation though.



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To much holes in the story from Ubi and EA side. The tale doesnt hold up. I presume they didn't share the whole information or outright LIE about the case.



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Frankly HTL did more harm than good in my opinion as it painted Mass Effect fans as crying babies who couldn't handle a work of fiction when it was looked at by others in the gaming industry (just look at articles and comics of the time) then whatever message got lost when parts of them started to directly harass Bioware employees (and we all know what happened after that).

 

Again if you didn't like something that is fine and you are welcome to have an opinion but that way that many reacted was just unacceptable.  Hell it got to the point were people were producing videos using data that was obviously bias and misleading to make there own point and when they got called out on it they just started huge flame wars claiming to be attacked by what they deemed was "The Enemy" or "Not true fans" (I did look at the data they used and where it came from and it was equivalent to going to a Bacon Lovers convention and asking people if they love Bacon)



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I think you oversimplify the HTL. It became more than those who shouted we want a better ending. HTL in its core was about something different entirely. It was about standards, and keeping promises, fake advertising and outright lying to the gamers. In the face, lying, yes. Or did you forget about that? I didnt, thats why I''m not so hyped about upcoming ME4 as I could have been.
By the trends and things are going, see MMOisation in DAI for example, I fear ME4 wont be a game I wish to play... which is sad considering how much I enjoyed and invested (money, time, emotions etc) in the franchise.

The industry, and publishers in particular, NEED to change. They exploit status quo, and uncritical voices like yours are undermining the chances of something good happening. Lets face it, gamers are mostly a stagnant group. Because nowdays more and more people can be called gamers but not in the sense I am a gamer nor you I suppose. Grey masses that dont question quality give a green light for unfinished and rushed products. Recent history of premieres are proof of that.

You're presuming that I'm not critical. That is not true. I've said many times in the last two months that DAI has terrible combat.

Even "hardcore" gamers, those of us who spend hundreds of dollars on games or equipment each year, are stagnant. I'm going to name a few games for you:

Shadowrun Returns. Wasteland 2. Pillars of Eternity. Tides of Nomura(?). What are these?

These are retreads of old ideas. This is nostalgia peddled as innovation. This is stagnation hailed as a step forward.

Don't think that "hardcore" gamers are any different than the people buying angry birds or bejeweled.

As for HTL, it may have changed, but its foundation was upon unsubstantiated demands. Don't forget about that--the demands.

Rushed or broken games are a bad idea of course, but people forget that a lot of these games are already delayed.

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The only remotely large pro-consumer force in the gaming industry right now is persona non-grata (The Hashtag That Shall Not Be Named).

As for HTL, I have no idea what happened with that. One assumes that since it was focused on a single game, it would die out after interest in said game does, so I can't help you there.

I just think it's a pity that said hashtag didn't learn the lessons that the whole ME3 debacle had to teach. As Badger explained on Destructoid, the predominant source of corruption in gaming journalism is subtle manipulation at the hands of AAA publishers, and without said manipulation, I doubt the press would have defended Mass Effect 3 so fiercely. I mean "entitled gamers?" Seriously? How much harder could they have been shilling? If your pro-consumer hashtag had been paying attention, they would have realized that their was nothing in gaming journalism worth saving from those scary Social Marxists from Tumblr. Then, the rest of us wouldn't have had to put up with the dirtiest internet culture war in recent memory.


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Long story short a store sold keys for Far cry 4 and said keys were stolen and so Ubisoft deactivated them with no word to the buyers whatsoever. Not even a explanation.

 

 

Those keys that you could give to a friend so that they could have free access for a limited time?



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Those keys that you could give to a friend so that they could have free access for a limited time?

 

No keys like steam or Uplay keys to let you download and play the game.


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I just think it's a pity that said hashtag didn't learn the lessons that the whole ME3 debacle had to teach. As Badger explained on Destructoid, the predominant source of corruption in gaming journalism is subtle manipulation at the hands of AAA publishers, and without said manipulation, I doubt the press would have defended Mass Effect 3 so fiercely. I mean "entitled gamers?" Seriously? How much harder could they have been shilling? If your pro-consumer hashtag had been paying attention, they would have realized that their was nothing in gaming journalism worth saving from those scary Social Marxists from Tumblr. Then, the rest of us wouldn't have had to put up with the dirtiest internet culture war in recent memory.

 

Oh for the most part, I agree. It got baited hard by the likes of Sarkeesian. But the media coverage was always going to be slanted this way to dictate the conversation, and the kind of corruption that ought to be uncovered are being covered up by the journalists themselves. It's hard to penetrate that.

 

That said, Colin Moriarty, the journalist who coined the term and drove that particular narrative, was fired by IGN less than a week before IGN released it's new ethics policy.

 

While I doubt it's cleaned up the culture of corporate corruption going on, it's made it a lot harder for shady practices to occur, and the sites which have revised ethics policies, letting go journalists who could be implicated in corrupt practices are certainly much more far reaching than the Doritos Pope controversy, which IMO, should've been the event people rallied around.

 

To be honest though, I'm far too entertained following the antics of Peter 'my wife is a sex doll' Coffin to follow the hashtag too closely right now.



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Oh for the most part, I agree. It got baited hard by the likes of Sarkeesian. But the media coverage was always going to be slanted this way to dictate the conversation, and the kind of corruption that ought to be uncovered are being covered up by the journalists themselves. It's hard to penetrate that.

 

That said, Colin Moriarty, the journalist who coined the term and drove that particular narrative, was fired by IGN less than a week before IGN released it's new ethics policy.

 

While I doubt it's cleaned up the culture of corporate corruption going on, it's made it a lot harder for shady practices to occur, and the sites which have revised ethics policies, letting go journalists who could be implicated in corrupt practices are certainly much more far reaching than the Doritos Pope controversy, which IMO, should've been the event people rallied around.

 

To be honest though, I'm far too entertained following the antics of Peter 'my wife is a sex doll' Coffin to follow the hashtag too closely right now.

This is news to me, who's Peter Coffin?



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No keys like steam or Uplay keys to let you download and play the game.

 

Thanks. I guess I should read the article then.