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[Meave]

Greetings,

 

there is one option you didn't consider, I always let Alister die (such crappy and whiny character) except when I played noble human rogue when I seduced him, appointed myself his queen, but cheated on him with Lelliana (wouldn't have it other way) then denied Morrigan ritual and let Alistar kill archdemon. Bam and my character should rule Fereldan alone (by the time they went to kill archdemon coronation already happened), but she won't, you don't have that option neither in DAO datadisks and neither in Dragonkeep.

 

How come? It's so obvious option and since you don't use characters made in character creator in DA2/DAI you could just use default and show DAO PC as a queen...

[In Exile]

Anora rules in that case not you.

[Feranel]

You get Anderson/Udina'ed out of the position by Anora.

[kurthakon]

Also at that point you haven't even married Alistair yet, and thus have not become his consort truly.

[Meave]

well I know she does, but she was stripped of her titles and claims and sent to tower and since PC was already coronated as queen along with Alister as a king, she should rule, you can't reverse kings judgement just cos he died.

 

in case you're confused I recommend lady Tyrell as a counsel :]

[Dai Grepher]

It is due to the gameplay mechanics, and it is a plothole sort of. If your character declared joint rule at the Landsmeet, then she should be the one who gets coroneted since she is the sole survivor who was elected. But apparently the banns decided to let Anora out of her tower to be queen instead.

 

Gameplay wise, the devs couldn't animate or voice the coronation sequence for a Cousland of either sex. Which is why joint rule is the only in-game option, even if it isn't the only option lore-wise.

[Rizilliant]

It didnt seem to matter for me.. Some of my most plot defining moments were wrongfully addressed in Inquisition.. Even so bad as to contradict itself!

 

Theres another thread on this, but ill reiterate..

 

I had a Dwarf Noble Warrior Male.. He romanced, and had a baby with Morrigan, and lived.. Didnt die bie the Archdemon.. 

In Inquisition, Morrigan claims that the "female" hero of fereldan, left on bad terms with Morrigan..

 

3hrs later, im doing Leliana quest, and she say the hero of ferelden, whom she acted in the 5th blight with, died during..

 

I was also a Male Dual wield rogue Hawke, in DA2, and Inquisition portrayed him as Mage..

 

This was all done in my 1 initial playthrough mind you.. And i checked my world state before starting the game,  when i noticed teh incorrect Hawke, and when morrigan made bad claims.. 3 times, the Keep was correct, but Inquisition falsely crafted what was....

[Jeffry]

@Rizilliant, I'd say it is just bugged, DA2 used to read some plot flags from DAO incorrectly as well, but at least there you could fix it with developer console and it was patched pretty quickly.

 

@OP, banns probably don't like usurpers

 

Joking aside, this is not a plot hole, the coronation happens only after Archdemon is defeated, after the Landsmeet you are just engaged. At the end of Landsmeet Alistair says to Anora that he won't strip her of titles yet, will put her in a tower for now and should he die at the end of the Blight, Anora can have her throne. He also says that for now Eamon will be his regent.

[Meave]

nah, if my PC is noble born with possible claim to the throne. Anora is only queen regent -no claim by blood - therefor her claim is the same as mine BUT she is in the tower, rightful heir is dead and PC hold all the power and ended the blight and saved Denerim and have council support AND which is most important is the leader of army which is now occupying Denerim. I don't see single lore wise reason not to make her the queen if she wanted to.

[TheOgre]

nah, if my PC is noble born with possible claim to the throne. Anora is only queen regent -no claim by blood - therefor her claim is the same as mine BUT she is in the tower, rightful heir is dead and PC hold all the power and ended the blight and saved Denerim and have council support AND which is most important is the leader of army which is now occupying Denerim. I don't see single lore wise reason not to make her the queen if she wanted to.

Anora uses time control magic from tevinter to stop her self from getting her power removed.

She took a page from warcraft pro mlg retcon expansion..

=O

[actionhero112]

I like what you did, that's super creative. Very Game of Thrones of you.
 

I'm actually sad this isn't an option in the DA keep. 

[Hair Serious Business]

lol HOF is one Cousland who has no claims on throne lol

Alistair has by blood,Anora has because she was married to previous King...you don't lol And if Alistair dies killing Archdemon then Anora is only one with claims for throne because Alistair never married you in that case! Which means your claims to throne are once again 0! I think that is more then obvious as well!

[X Equestris]

nah, if my PC is noble born with possible claim to the throne. Anora is only queen regent -no claim by blood - therefor her claim is the same as mine BUT she is in the tower, rightful heir is dead and PC hold all the power and ended the blight and saved Denerim and have council support AND which is most important is the leader of army which is now occupying Denerim. I don't see single lore wise reason not to make her the queen if she wanted to.

Anora has the better claim because she was actually married to Cailan. You were just engaged to Alistair.

On your other points, Ferelden's nobility won't just stand for you usurping the throne.

[Meave]

lol HOF is one Cousland who has no claims on throne lol

Alistair has by blood,Anora has because she was married to previous King...you don't lol And if Alistair dies killing Archdemon then Anora is only one with claims for throne because Alistair never married you in that case! Which means your claims to throne are once again 0! I think that is more then obvious as well!

 

that's not true, Anora has claim cos she is Fereldan noble born who used to be married to king. But she loose support during the council meeting - Landsmeet when nobles support you over her (cos they chose to follow Alistar) so Anora is out of game. According to DA lore, any of remaining noble houses has claim to throne if there is no king and only one - my PC have both - power (army) and support of other nobles

[X Equestris]

that's not true, Anora has claim cos she is Fereldan noble born who used to be married to king. But she loose support during the council meeting - Landsmeet when nobles support you over her (cos they chose to follow Alistar) so Anora is out of game. According to DA lore, any of remaining noble houses has claim to throne if there is no king and only one - my PC have both - power (army) and support of other nobles

The Landsmeet chooses who rules. They chose Alistair, and he keeps Anora around so there is an heir if he dies. The PC is never at any point a part of the line of succession before the epilogue.

[Hair Serious Business]

that's not true, Anora has claim cos she is Fereldan noble born who used to be married to king. But she loose support during the council meeting - Landsmeet when nobles support you over her (cos they chose to follow Alistar) so Anora is out of game. According to DA lore, any of remaining noble houses has claim to throne if there is no king and only one - my PC have both - power (army) and support of other nobles

Are you serious lol? Anora was never nobility lol She was commoner! People even spread rumors that reason why Anora can't have kids is because it was Maker's punishment for bringing up commoner on throne! Have you even played damn DAO O_O!? Because I can't take this seriously if you did! 

[X Equestris]

Are you serious lol? Anora was never nobility lol She was commoner! People even spread rumors that reason why Anora can't have kids is because it was Maker's punishment for bringing up commoner on throne! Have you even played damn DAO O_O!? Because I can't take this seriously if you did!

Anora is noble by virtue of her father being made noble.

[Andres Hendrix]

Yep, PCs rule consoles suck.

[Meave]

The Landsmeet chooses who rules. They chose Alistair, and he keeps Anora around so there is an heir if he dies. The PC is never at any point a part of the line of succession before the epilogue.

 

wrong again, Landsmeet didn't chose who is the king, they showed support either to Anora or you (don't forget it was you who done all those favorites to earn their trust and respect and they said they will support whoever you chose rather than Alister himself) and then let YOU  (PC) chose who is the king. Besides Alistar imprisoned Anora in tower, not kept her around...

[WhoopinYourA55Mate]

*sees thread,notices down that OP says that Anora was "noble",notices that OP has no clue how monarchy worked,notices that this is just troll thread*

 

Ah threads are ones who made me realize that I should never take anything from this forum seriously and that I should just stop being serious as well

[Meave]

Are you serious lol? Anora was never nobility lol She was commoner! People even spread rumors that reason why Anora can't have kids is because it was Maker's punishment for bringing up commoner on throne! Have you even played damn DAO O_O!? Because I can't take this seriously if you did! 

 

well even better, she has no real claim cos she's neither pregnant nor married anymore and lost support of nobles during Landsmeet so there went her claim... They would never accept her on the throne again

[X Equestris]

wrong again, Landsmeet didn't chose who is the king, they showed support either to Anora or you (don't forget it was you who done all those favorites to earn their trust and respect and they said they will support whoever you chose rather than Alister himself) and then let YOU  (PC) chose who is the king. Besides Alistar imprisoned Anora in tower, not kept her around...

They supported your candidate for the throne. You chose to make Alistair king and rule beside him. He is in charge, and he leaves Anora alive and well so that, should he die, there will be a successor. YOU. ARE. NOT. HIS. SUCCESSOR.

[Hair Serious Business]

well even better, she has no real claim cos she's neither pregnant nor married anymore and lost support of nobles during Landsmeet so there went her claim... They would never accept her on the throne again

She was married! She ruled already! As Cailen's widow she does have! Is this going anywhere  ? Is this even more serious???

 

*sees thread,notices down that OP says that Anora was "noble",notices that OP has no clue how monarchy worked,notices that this is just troll thread*

 

Ah threads are ones who made me realize that I should never take anything from this forum seriously and that I should just stop being serious as well

Wow,I actually am starting to agree with you!

[Meave]

*sees thread,notices down that OP says that Anora was "noble",notices that OP has no clue how monarchy worked,notices that this is just troll thread*

 

Ah threads are ones who made me realize that I should never take anything from this forum seriously and that I should just stop being serious as well

oh please, so I used phrase noble born instead of nobility so what? and for the rest... well stop trolling

[otis0310]

You are right that you would have a strong case for the throne.  You already have the support of the nobles, as you stated, that would give you some credit.  Plus you were engaged to Alistair.

 

However, Anora would still challengeyou  when she is freed from the tower after the battle of Denerim.  Given the fact that she ruled in all but name for several years and is a master in Ferelden politics, she would be hard to contend with.

 

As a result both of you would have a good case to be Queen, so obviously it is logical that another landsmeet would be held to resovle the issue.  After all Loghain was Queen Anora's regent, most of the support she lost was a direct result of his actions.  This is the reason they supported Alistair, not because they had no faith in Anora, but because of Loghain.  So as  I said, it would be logical to hold another landsmeet if both Loghain and Alistair were dead.

 

Unfortunately the game did not continue to the point where we would resolves this problem.  As a result it is assumed that Anora won the second landsmeet and you lost.