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[X Equestris]

well even better, she has no real claim cos she's neither pregnant nor married anymore and lost support of nobles during Landsmeet so there went her claim... They would never accept her on the throne again

She was ennobled when Loghain's family was. But even if she wasn't, she married into the Theirin family, and since all blood descendants of that line are dead in this situation, she has the best claim to the throne. Eamon and Teagan have the next closest claims, via Rowan's marriage to Maric. Since you never married Alistair, you aren't really part of the discussion.

[Meave]

They supported your candidate for the throne. You chose to make Alistair king and rule beside him. He is in charge, and he leaves Anora alive and well so that, should he die, there will be a successor. YOU. ARE. NOT. HIS. SUCCESSOR.

who said anything about being successor? All nobles owes me and majority supports me, I have the army, I just saved all Fereldan, and ofc Denerim, there is no king and queen was publicly humiliated and sent to prison (well tower, who cares) in that point I would pretty much need just one bribed noble who would suggest me for queen and all will hail glory to my name and if not I could just take the crow by force, wouldn't be the first time

[Captain Wiseass]

Eamon is another factor, since Alistair wouldn't have even had a shot at the throne if not for his support. Why would Eamon support you over Anora? Keep in mind that Loghain is out of the picture, and that Anora has better claims of experience and continuity of the royal line.

[otis0310]

Yep, PCs rule consoles suck.

 

Please read the post next time, this doesn't even make sense.  The OP was talking about the Player Character from DAO ruling Ferelden, not a Personal Computer vs. console war.

[Jeffry]

Once again OP, Alistair himself said just prior to sending Anora to the tower, BEFORE THE ENTIRE LANDSMEET AND HIS NEW REGENT, that should he die, Anora will have her throne back. In no way would the nobility of Ferelden support another usurper. Hell even if Anora died of plague in that tower in the meantime, the regent would have better claim than you should he press for it.

[Meave]

Eamon is another factor, since Alistair wouldn't have even had a shot at the throne if not for his support. Why would Eamon support you over Anora? Keep in mind that Loghain is out of the picture, and that Anora has better claims of experience and continuity of the royal line.

 

why? cos I was Alistars fioncee - that's kinda heavy argument

[X Equestris]

who said anything about being successor? All nobles owes me and majority supports me, I have the army, I just saved all Fereldan, and ofc Denerim, there is no king and queen was publicly humiliated and sent to prison (well tower, who cares) in that point I would pretty much need just one bribed noble who would suggest me for queen and all will hail glory to my name and if not I could just take the crow by force, wouldn't be the first time

The Landsmeet didn't choose you. They supported your candidate, who happened to be Alistair. Alistair made Anora his heir, until the Blight is over. The line of succession is clear, and the Landsmeet abides by it. And it would be a first time someone took Ferelden's crown for Ferelden, as the Theirin line has ruled since the country was unified, apart from the Orlesian backed monarchy that was opposed by much of the country.

[X Equestris]

why? cos I was Alistars fioncee - that's kinda heavy argument

And that means absolutely nothing when it comes to legitimacy, which is a very important part of this issue.

[Meave]

Once again OP, Alistair himself said just prior to sending Anora to the tower, BEFORE THE ENTIRE LANDSMEET AND HIS NEW REGENT, that should he die, Anora will have her throne back. In no way would the nobility of Ferelden support another usurper. Hell even if Anora died of plague in that tower in the meantime, the regent will have better claim should he press for it than you.

 

but that was before he knew I wanted to be his queen, I bet it wouldn't take much convincing to change mind of someone as stupid (and easy to manipulate) as Alistar especially since he was a virgin

 

the game simply doesn't take in account that PC could remain on the throne without Alistar (besides the first thing I would do is send Lelliana to assassinate Anora, problem solved)

[X Equestris]

but that was before he knew I wanted to be his queen, I bet it wouldn't take much convincing to change mind of someone as stupid (and easy to manipulate) as Alistar especially since he was a virgin
 
the game simply doesn't take in account that PC could remain on the throne without Alistar (besides the first thing I would do is send Lelliana to assassinate Anora, problem solved)

Point one, Alistair says that after you say that you'll rule beside him. Second, Eamon and Teagan would be ahead of you, in that case. Third, even if all of them died, Fergus would have a better shot at a second Landsmeet than you would.

[Jeffry]

but that was before he knew I wanted to be his queen, I bet it wouldn't take much convincing to change mind of someone as stupid (and easy to manipulate) as Alistar especially since he was a virgin

 

the game simply doesn't take in account that PC could remain on the throne without Alistar (besides the first thing I would do is send Lelliana to assassinate Anora, problem solved)

 

No, he said that at the very end of the Landsmeet, after you decided you will rule by his side.

 

You had ZERO legitimate claim on the throne at that point, that is a simple fact. Ofc you could murder every noble, Eamon included, shout "VIVA LA REVOLUCION", proclaim yourself a dictator and rule the country alone. But since the game doesn't enable this, you are out of luck.

[Meave]

No, he said that at the very end of the Landsmeet, after you decided you will rule by his side.

 

You had ZERO legitimate claim on the throne at that point, that is a simple fact. Ofc you could murder every noble, Eamon included, shout "VIVA LA REVOLUCION", proclaim yourself a dictator and rule the country alone. But since the game doesn't enable this, you are out of luck.

 

you are forgetting that landsmeet vote for Warden/Anora, not Alistar/Anora and after that I could chose that either Anora, Alistar, both of them or me and Alistar would rule, therefor Landsmeet gave me the decision to point out whoever I want and if I chose Alistar and me and since I let him die there is still me and they would accept that

[X Equestris]

you are forgetting that landsmeet vote for Warden/Anora, not Alistar/Anora and after that I could chose that either Anora, Alistar, both of them or me and Alistar would rule, therefor Landsmeet gave me the decision to point out whoever I want and if I chose Alistar and me and let him die there is still me and they would accept that

No, that's not how it works, because that deal was dependent on you marrying Alistair. It falls apart when Alistair dies.

[Jeffry]

you are forgetting that landsmeet vote for Warden/Anora, not Alistar/Anora and after that I could chose that either Anora, Alistar, both of them or me and Alistar would rule, therefor Landsmeet gave me the decision to point out whoever I want and if I chose Alistar and me and let him die there is still me and they would accept that

 

They absolutely would not, that is not really how it works They let you choose between Anora and Alistair, since those 2 had legitimate claims. Simply you saying you will marry Alistair and rule besides him does not make you a ruler if your second half dies Even if he dropped dead in that very moment, Anora would take the throne and the Landsmeet would recongnize it, because claims come first.

[Saphiron123]

Greetings,

 

there is one option you didn't consider, I always let Alister die (such crappy and whiny character) except when I played noble human rogue when I seduced him, appointed myself his queen, but cheated on him with Lelliana (wouldn't have it other way) then denied Morrigan ritual and let Alistar kill archdemon. Bam and my character should rule Fereldan alone (by the time they went to kill archdemon coronation already happened), but she won't, you don't have that option neither in DAO datadisks and neither in Dragonkeep.

 

How come? It's so obvious option and since you don't use characters made in character creator in DA2/DAI you could just use default and show DAO PC as a queen...

If alisatir dies, anora is queen. Even if she's arrested the throne would fall back to her, and you haven't actually married alistair yet.

And you can do a custom hawke and hopefully eventually a custom warden in DAI.

 

Still, if you want to be queen, you have to marry alistair. You have no claim on the throne.

[Jeffry]

The only way you could possibly be considered a candidate for a solo ruler is if at the end of Landsmeet Anora, Alistair and Eamon commited seppuku. Then there would probably be a vote and the Landsmeet would probably choose you at least as the regent of the kingdom. But that sounds kinda ridiculous, doesn't it

[Meave]

if you want to know how it works, go watch Game of thrones, it's quite realistic according to historians about how nobility worked. Loghain appointed himself as a queens regent and most of nobles followed him anyway cos he had power, army and few followers. And he ruled with no claim whatsoever. I had even more power, army strength and and council support. Therefor there should be an option for me to get the throne for myself. No point of cycling arguments anymore, I clearly won't change your opinion no matter how many logical arguments I come up with and you won't change mine...

[X Equestris]

if you want to know how it works, go watch Game of thrones, it's quite realistic according to historians about how nobility worked. Loghain appointed himself as a queens regent and most of nobles followed him anyway cos he had power, army and few followers. And he ruled with no claim whatsoever. I had even more power, army strength and and council support. Therefor there should be an option for me to get the throne for myself. No point of cycling arguments anymore, I clearly won't change your opinion no matter how many logical arguments I come up with and you won't change mine...

Actually, no. Loghain started a civil war by making himself regent, and he had noble supporters. And he ultimately lost that civil war because he upset too many nobles. Your army is going to evaporate because its human component is sworn to various nobles and Ferelden's monarch. You don't have the support of the Landsmeet.

[Jeffry]

if you want to know how it works, go watch Game of thrones, it's quite realistic according to historians about how nobility worked. Loghain appointed himself as a queens regent and most of nobles followed him anyway cos he had power, army and few followers. And he ruled with no claim whatsoever. I had even more power, army strength and and council support. Therefor there should be an option for me to get the throne for myself. No point of cycling arguments anymore, I clearly won't change your opinion no matter how many logical arguments I come up with and you won't change mine...

 

Your arguments are not logical, you are basing them on (mostly your) fiction rather than on actual history, nobility, claims. You had allies drafted for fighting against the darkspawn, Warden Treaties would not compell them to fight in a civil war because of your whim, nor would they, dwarves would be the first to bail on you. Besides a huge part of your army were in fact Eamon's men and he would not allow you to usurp the throne as Loghain did. You had council's support for appointing either Anora or Alistair, the nobles would not support you, not even Eamon, if you proclaimed yourself the ruler when either Alistair, Anora or Eamon lives.

[Saphiron123]

if you want to know how it works, go watch Game of thrones, it's quite realistic according to historians about how nobility worked. Loghain appointed himself as a queens regent and most of nobles followed him anyway cos he had power, army and few followers. And he ruled with no claim whatsoever. I had even more power, army strength and and council support. Therefor there should be an option for me to get the throne for myself. No point of cycling arguments anymore, I clearly won't change your opinion no matter how many logical arguments I come up with and you won't change mine...

Logain appointed himself as father of the queen. You're the unmarried lover of a potential king who isn't actually king yet, and without him you don't have the support of the landsmeet.

Sorry dude, no doubt you noticed in awakening that you weren't considered the ruler and met anora, that's the canon I'm afraid.

 

[Jeffry]

Logain appointed himself as father of the queen. You're the unmarried lover of a potential king who isn't actually king yet, and without him you don't have the support of the landsmeet.

Sorry dude, no doubt you noticed in awakening that you weren't considered the ruler and met anora, that's the canon I'm afraid.

 

Well, I wouldn't bring Awakening into this, that expansion had some major continuity errors Like your Warden being revived if you imported a dead one.

[Jeffry]

Btw OP, I am sorry if my posts came out as condescending, arrogant or something like that, it was not my intention. Even though the game has some plot holes and oversights, I don't consider this to be one of them and while it could be fun to be the sole ruler (or in my case a normal king, not a stupid king / prince-consort), it wouldn't make much sense in the context of the game, but we have that now in Inquisition

[In Exile]

nah, if my PC is noble born with possible claim to the throne. Anora is only queen regent -no claim by blood - therefor her claim is the same as mine BUT she is in the tower, rightful heir is dead and PC hold all the power and ended the blight and saved Denerim and have council support AND which is most important is the leader of army which is now occupying Denerim. I don't see single lore wise reason not to make her the queen if she wanted to.

You don't have a claim by blood and neither does Anora. There is no good reason why the Cousland PC cannot be King or Queen alone beside Bioware not doing it. In fact there are lots of persuasive reasons why you're the better fit even if Alistair is alive and wanted the Crown.

[spacefiddle]

Please read the post next time, this doesn't even make sense.  The OP was talking about the Player Character from DAO ruling Ferelden, not a Personal Computer vs. console war.

 

Please note the winking emoticon at the end that likely indicates wiseassery and/or gentle joking.... 

[X Equestris]

You don't have a claim by blood and neither does Anora. There is no good reason why the Cousland PC cannot be King or Queen alone beside Bioware not doing it. In fact there are lots of persuasive reasons why you're the better fit even if Alistair is alive and wanted the Crown.

The thing is, Anora has a claim by marriage, and that puts her one up on a PC who is engaged to Alistair.