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[Meave]

You don't have a claim by blood and neither does Anora. There is no good reason why the Cousland PC cannot be King or Queen alone beside Bioware not doing it. In fact there are lots of persuasive reasons why you're the better fit even if Alistair is alive and wanted the Crown.

 

well yes, I agree to the point, I do think that my PC have better claim to the throne than Anora - my PC is the arl (arless or whatever is the female variation of arl) of powerful noble house. I can't imagine that other arls would just give away opportunity to seize throne for their own house and re elect Anora (she wouldn't forget that they are not loyal to her anymore and they would be afraid of her revenge). From all the arls that remained in game PC is kinda obvious ruler

[Meave]

Actually, no. Loghain started a civil war by making himself regent, and he had noble supporters. And he ultimately lost that civil war because he upset too many nobles. Your army is going to evaporate because its human component is sworn to various nobles and Ferelden's monarch. You don't have the support of the Landsmeet.

 

there was no civil war, nobles was entagonized to the point they would start one, but there wasn't one cos PC stopped it

[Jeffry]

well yes, I agree to the point, I do think that my PC have better claim to the throne than Anora - my PC is the arl (arless or whatever is the female variation of arl) of powerful noble house. I can't imagine that other arls would just give away opportunity to seize throne for their own house and re elect Anora (she wouldn't forget that they are not loyal to her anymore and they would be afraid of her revenge). From all the arls that remained in game PC is kinda obvious ruler

 

Well, in fact Couslands are teyrns, but the title doesn't grant you anything more than arl, iirc, it is just a tradition now. Problem is, that Fergus is the current teyrn of Highever, it would largely depend on him if he would support you or run for the kingship himself. And from all the available arls Eamon is the most obvious choice I believe, it is mentioned a few times in the game, nobles like him, respect him, look up to him, plus he is the regent of the kingdom at the moment.

 

You still have a chance though, plus you just saved the kingdom from certain doom, that counts for something. But even without Anora and Alistair, there are 2 better candidates than you (Eamon and then Fergus) and really claims (distant as they may be in their case) and laws of succession matter more. Should both of them support you though, you would probably get the throne without problems.

 

there was no civil war, nobles was entagonized to the point they would start one, but there wasn't one cos PC stopped it

 

There was a civil war for info see http://dragonage.wik..._-_9:31_Dragon). There is also a small location called Civil War in DAO where you are helping Bannorn soldiers against Loghain's soldiers

[X Equestris]

there was no civil war, nobles was entagonized to the point they would start one, but there wasn't one cos PC stopped it

If you pay attention, you will hear mentions of the Bannorn fighting Loghain and his loyalists. Loghain is winning the civil war until the Landsmeet.

[Meave]

If you pay attention, you will hear mentions of the Bannorn fighting Loghain and his loyalists. Loghain is winning the civil war until the Landsmeet.

 

that was no civil war, that was just an unimportant battle, more like brawl...

[X Equestris]

that was no civil war, that was just an unimportant battle, more like brawl...

No, it was more than that. Listen to the gossips at Orzammar and in Denerim, and they will occasionally talk about the civil war.

[Meave]

You still have a chance though, plus you just saved the kingdom from certain doom, that counts for something. But even without Anora and Alistair, there are 2 better candidates than you (Eamon and then Fergus) and really claims (distant as they may be in their case) and laws of succession matter more. Should both of them support you though, you would probably get the throne without problems.

 

nah I managed Eamon, he's now just broken old man, his wife gave life for the ritual and son is possessed by demon (which he doesn't know right now) and suggested that he sent him to the circle, besides, he would be lucky if angry mob wouldn't lynch Conor. Both Eamon and Fergus voted for me (the warden) in the landsmeet, shouldn't be too much of a problem to convince Eamon to retire (while he's still mourning) or at least to pass on the throne

[Meave]

No, it was more than that. Listen to the gossips at Orzammar and in Denerim, and they will occasionally talk about the civil war.

 

pff few hundred dead is hardly called a war. If there indeed was a civil war there would be no troops to support wardens army. But there were only few minor battles and warden cut them off before they spread and cause more casulties

[X Equestris]

pff few hundred dead is hardly called a war. If there indeed was a civil war there would be no troops to support wardens army. But there were only few minor battles and warden cut them off before they spread and cause more casulties

Ignore this if you wish, but they were hardly minor battles. This is why the Landsmeet is so important: because if no single ruler emerges, Ferelden will destroy its capacity to resist the darkspawn.

http://dragonage.wik..._-_9:31_Dragon)

[Jeffry]

pff few hundred dead is hardly called a war. If there indeed was a civil war there would be no troops to support wardens army. But there were only few minor battles and warden cut them off before they spread and cause more casulties

 

Look on the wiki page, it was a civil war, not a minor clash, at the same time when Blight ravaged the lands, because Loghain was a moronic usurper. You also got the banns' troops only after the Landsmeet when the country was united again.

 

 

nah I managed Eamon, he's now just broken old man, his wife gave life for the ritual and son is possessed by demon (which he doesn't know right now) and suggested that he sent him to the circle, besides, he would be lucky if angry mob wouldn't lynch Conor. Both Eamon and Fergus voted for me (the warden) in the landsmeet, shouldn't be too much of a problem to convince Eamon to retire (while he's still mourning) or at least to pass on the throne

 

Eamon didn't vote for you, Eamon voted for the candidate you supported. He wanted Alistair, but for the sake of stability would support Anora as well. He would not support you during the Landsmeet (again, because claims matter above all else). And Fergus wasn't present yet, you met him only during and after the coronation (after Archdemon).

 

Once again, the vote was between Anora and Alistair, you were the judge, not a possible candidate. The vote was between the 2 with the most legitimate claim, you had none. Some nobles would probably support you, but some would resist and new civil war would break out. Plus you did not have as much power as you think you had. You were neither teyrn nor arl, your homeland was kinda in a bad shape, the human forces of your army would fight for their respective nobles, your other allies would not assist you at all in that fight (hell, they would go home and the Blight would consume the whole Ferelden) and Highever's forces were either decimated or off with Fergus.

 

After slaying Archdemon you would have better chance, because one of the claimants (Alistair) can be removed for good. Still a lot of nobles would support Anora over you, because it was either agreed upon that should Alistair die, she would rule or because they were loyal to Cailan or Loghain. And again, your armies would be gone, because their part of the treaties was fulfilled, you would be left with only the armies of nobles that would support you.

 

Also it wouldn't look good if a Warden was trying to usurp the throne by force and by starting a new civil war the very moment a blight ended. Don't forget that opportunistic powerful empire just west of Ferelden that would be more than happy to "help" put an end to the civil war, for its own benefit of course.

[Meave]

 

 

well you said it yourself, they gave me power to chose whoever will be next ruler which was my decision and mine decision alone. If it was purely between Alistar/Anora, there wouldn't be option for me to either appoint both or me with one of them (depending on gender of PC). Now what's that if not power? That's the very essence of power - making decision which other obeys. And my PC IS the Arl of Couslands as a last surviving member of the family. So what that my home was razed? So was half of homes of others during the blight and loosing hundred soldiers defending the castle when it was attacked by that scum is hardly a big loss for the Noble house... My PC was the one who united all races of Fereldan, everybody owes me big favors and on top of that I saved the land from the blight and stop that civil war. Eamon himself owes me a debt he can never repay (well he thinks that) for saving him and life of his son, he doesn't know I didn't save his son (it occurs to me what happen when you taint the ashes of Andraste, will it still save Eamon?) . What's that if not power? Compared to that kind of political and military power all other noble houses combined are nothing

[X Equestris]

well you said it yourself, they gave me power to chose whoever will be next ruler which was my decision and mine decision alone. If it was purely between Alistar/Anora, there wouldn't be option for me to either appoint both or me with one of them (depending on gender of PC). Now what's that if not power? That's the very essence of power - making decision which other obeys. And my PC IS the Arl of Couslands as a last surviving member of the family. So what that my home was razed? So was half of homes of others during the blight and loosing hundred soldiers defending the castle when it was attacked by that scum is hardly a big loss for the Noble house... My PC was the one who united all races of Fereldan, everybody owes me big favors and on top of that I saved the land from the blight and stop that civil war. Eamon himself owes me a debt he can never repay (well he thinks that) for saving him and life of his son, he doesn't know I didn't save his son (it occurs to me what happen when you taint the ashes of Andraste, will it still save Eamon?) . What's that if not power? Compared to that kind of political and military power all other noble houses combined are nothing

Your army only obeys you because you're fighting the Blight, they go home once that's done. The Landsmeet let you choose between Alistair and Anora. You can use your family's influence to strengthen their claims via marriage, but you aren't a ruling monarch, whoever you choose is. Your PC gets demoted once Fergus comes back, so you aren't even Teyrn of Highever.

Eamon staunchly supports the Theirin line, and if Alistair is dead, that line falls to Anora, then him, and then Teagan. You have absolutely no ground to stand on, and if you do usurp the throne by force, you're going to look like a massive hypocrite.

[Jeffry]

well you said it yourself, they gave me power to chose whoever will be next ruler which was my decision and mine decision alone. If it was purely between Alistar/Anora, there wouldn't be option for me to either appoint both or me with one of them (depending on gender of PC). Now what's that if not power? That's the very essence of power - making decision which other obeys. And my PC IS the Arl of Couslands as a last surviving member of the family. So what that my home was razed? So was half of homes of others during the blight and loosing hundred soldiers defending the castle when it was attacked by that scum is hardly a big loss for the Noble house... My PC was the one who united all races of Fereldan, everybody owes me big favors and on top of that I saved the land from the blight and stop that civil war. Eamon himself owes me a debt he can never repay (well he thinks that) for saving him and life of his son, he doesn't know I didn't save his son (it occurs to me what happen when you taint the ashes of Andraste, will it still save Eamon?) . What's that if not power? Compared to that kind of political and military power all other noble houses combined are nothing

 

Basically what X Equestris said. They gave you the power to choose between the 2 people with actual claims on the throne, they didn't gave you the power to choose whoever you want. They will gladly accept your proposition to marry one of those 2 possible rulers, because you are a noble, but since you do not have any claim on the throne just by yourself they wouldn't pick you over those that have.

 

For now you are the last presumed survivor of Cousland line. But Fergus is still the heir (by the laws of primogeniture) and you have to respect that. And yes, you being attacked by Howe was a big loss for you. The majority of your forces went with Fergus to help the king at Ostagar and you very well know how that battle went and Fergus himself says to you what happened to him. Long story short, very little of your army remains at the moment. Trust me, your losses were one of the heaviest, because both your army sent to war and your army left at home were almost utterly destroyed.

 

Yes, you united the various races, but against the Blight. Fighting the darkspawn is what compelled them to acknowledge your Treaties. Those Treaties do not compell them to fight your fellow allies in the fight against darkspawn. And yes, you stopped the civil war, but only by uniting Ferelden under a ruler with claim, that nobles can recognize. You would just prolong the civil war if you put yourself on the throne by force or manipulation. In a potential civil war the only forces that would help you would be those of nobles supporting you, you would not have any kind of upper hand in that field.

 

Arl Eamon is for sure greatful for "saving" his son, but he values the stability of Ferelden above all else (he knows his son is not the heir anyway, because mages can't inherit and he would not go against his own kin - Teagan), because he knows that otherwise the nation will be overrun by darkspawn (or opportunistic neighbors). Putting you on the throne despite there being others with actual claims does not exactly mean stabilizing the situation.

 

Also don't forget that Wardens are forbidden from opposing or god-forbid raising arms against their rulers. That is why Sophia Dryden and all her family were stripped of their titles and lands, because she stood against her king. So you possibly would not only start a new Fereldan civil war, but there could be others that could intervene. And don't forget Orlais, which would be more than happy to put an end to that mess by running over everything in their path with legions of chevaliers, nobody likes a civil war on their borders. Even united Ferelden would have a hard time opposing that, let alone divided and seriously weakened.

 

Really forget Game of Thrones. If you are basing your arguments on Lannisters, they already had a strong claim on the throne, they were the most powerful and wealthiest. You are neither by a long shot at that point in the game. And they also started a civil war, which they were able to win by being the most powerful and wealthiest.

 

(Btw yes, the Ashes will still cure Eamon, because you automatically take a little bit of it before defiling them)

[Dai Grepher]

I think a few things need to be cleared up.

 

Meave, there was indeed a civil war. After you gain the first recruits to your army, there is a cutscene showing Rendon Howe. He tells Loghain that the banns won't support him, and that it looks like it will be civil war after all. He then introduces Zevran.

 

Many banns opposed Loghain because he was trying to claim the throne for himself. So it did come down to civil war, and Arl Eamon calling the Landsmeet is what put a halt to it. The Landsmeet is also how you prevent Loghain from taking the throne.

 

As for the human noble, after Bryce and Eleanor die the title of Teyrn falls to either Fergus or you if you are male, or Teyrna if you are female. However, the only case in which it definitely falls to Fergus (at least initially) is if you ask Bryce if Fergus is the new Teyrn. Only in that case will Bryce name Fergus the heir. Otherwise the title is up for grabs so to speak.

 

However, in either case, Fergus goes M.I.A. and is thus unable to fulfill the role of Teyrn. In this case the title always falls to you.

 

So the human noble is Teyrn/Teyrna of Highever despite Howe's attempt to usurp it. Remember, Howe was declared a traitor and marked for death by King Cailan.

 

So regarding the Landsmeet, you are correct that the human noble does have a claim to the throne of Ferelden, and in fact it is the strongest claim compared to Alistair and Anora. Regarding Arl Eamon, he may be popular, but he is just an arl. That is a vassal of a teyrn, or a more prestigious bann. So you outrank him. He is not running though.

 

You are also correct that full authority to decide the next ruler(s) is put solely on you. So yes, you can declare yourself the ruler.

 

As for what everyone else here said about claims and the crown, you're incorrect. The human noble was not choosing between Alistair and Anora. That is merely what the game offers. The Warden was free to choose anyone with a claim or title. The Warden could have chosen Bann Alfstanna if they wanted to, but the choices are limited by the game itself. However the game also offers the choice to make yourself a joint-ruling monarch.

 

Plot-wise, the human noble was legally able to rule alone, and had the strongest claim by law. But the game only lets you rule-jointly for gameplay purposes.

[X Equestris]

I think a few things need to be cleared up.
 
Meave, there was indeed a civil war. After you gain the first recruits to your army, there is a cutscene showing Rendon Howe. He tells Loghain that the banns won't support him, and that it looks like it will be civil war after all. He then introduces Zevran.
 
Many banns opposed Loghain because he was trying to claim the throne for himself. So it did come down to civil war, and Arl Eamon calling the Landsmeet is what put a halt to it. The Landsmeet is also how you prevent Loghain from taking the throne.
 
As for the human noble, after Bryce and Eleanor die the title of Teyrn falls to either Fergus or you if you are male, or Teyrna if you are female. However, the only case in which it definitely falls to Fergus (at least initially) is if you ask Bryce if Fergus is the new Teyrn. Only in that case will Bryce name Fergus the heir. Otherwise the title is up for grabs so to speak.
 
However, in either case, Fergus goes M.I.A. and is thus unableto fulfill the role of Teyrn. In this case the title always falls to you.
 
So the human noble is Teyrn/Teyrna of Highever despite Howe's attempt to usurp it. Remember, Howe was declared a traitor and marked for death by King Cailan.
 
So regarding the Landsmeet, you are correct that the human noble does have a claim to the throne of Ferelden, and in fact it is the strongest claim compared to Alistair and Anora. Regarding Arl Eamon, he may be popular, but he is just an arl. That is a vassal of a teyrn, or a more prestigious bann. So you outrank him. He is not running though.
 
You are also correct that full authority to decide the next rule(s) is put solely on you. So yes, you can declare yourself the ruler.
 
As for what everyone else here said about claims and the crown, you're incorrect. The human noble was not choosing between Alistair and Anora. That is merely what the game offers. The Warden was free to choose anyone with a claim or title. The Warden could have chosen Bann Alfstanna if they wanted to, but the choices are limited by the game itself. However the game also offers the choice to make yourself a joint-ruling monarch.
 
Plot-wise, the human noble was legally able to rule alone, and had the strongest claim by law. But the game only lets you rule-jointly for gameplay purposes.

The only people with a solid claim to the Fereldan throne are Alistair( base-born), Anora(marriage), Eamon(through Rowan's marriage to Maric), and Teagan( same as Eamon's claim). You don't have a claim by either, since the marriage didn't go through before Alistair bought it. Further, you may be Teyrn/a until Fergus comes back, but once he's back, he is Teyrn, as he was first born.

[Dai Grepher]

Another thing, the army you assemble plays a huge part in this. First of all, the only races who pledge to help against the Blight are the elves and dwarves. The Circle of Magi on the other hand will help you against Loghain blight or no blight. This is because the disaster that befell the Circle was Loghain's doing. They have a score to settle against him, as does the Chantry, and not just for the Circle but for what he did to Ser Irminric Eremon and taking Jowan from him to use against Eamon. Speaking of Eamon, he is an arl, and as such swears loyalty to the only true remaining teyrn/teyrna in Ferelden, which is the human noble.

 

But even if the blight were the only reason for your allies supporting you, that alone is enough to make you the monarch (plot-wise). The banns would have to consider that without you Ferelden is doomed, as their forces are not enough to end the blight.

[X Equestris]

Another thing, the army you assemble plays a huge part in this. First of all, the only races who pledge to help against the Blight are the elves and dwarves. The Circle of Magi on the other hand will help you against Loghain blight or no blight. This is because the disaster that befell the Circle was Loghain's doing. They have a score to settle against him, as does the Chantry, and not just for the Circle but for what he did to Ser Irminric Eremon and taking Jowan from him to use against Eamon. Speaking of Eamon, he is an arl, and as such swears loyalty to the only true remaining teyrn/teyrna in Ferelden, which is the human noble.
 
But even if the blight were the only reason for your allies supporting you, that alone is enough to make you the monarch (plot-wise). The banns would have to consider that without you Ferelden is doomed, as their forces are not enough to end the blight.

We are talking post-Battle of Denerim, specifically.

[Jeffry]

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Yes, you are for now the Teyrn, but the title is not up for grabs, the world of DA is based on our medieval times, although with more civic freedoms for its citizens (womens for example), but the laws of succession aren't based on "up for grabs". Once Fergus returns, the title is his, since he is the oldest child. The only way it would stay with you is if your father proclaimed you as his heir, which he did not.

You don't really outrank Eamon. While teyrns can have both arls and banns as vassals and once in the past established arlings, Redcliffe is not a fiefdom of Highever and Teyrn of Highever is not Eamon's liege.

 

Teyrn of Highever does not have any claim, I don't know on what do you base this. Anora and Alistair have the strongest claim, followed by Eamon and Teagan. You ARE ONLY A TEYRN, you don't have an ounce of royal blood nor are you married to the ruler.

 

Yes, the Warden was choosing between those who have claims WHICH HE/SHE DOES NOT. Simply being a teyrn does not give you a claim on a throne over those related to the royal family.

[Jeffry]

Another thing, the army you assemble plays a huge part in this. First of all, the only races who pledge to help against the Blight are the elves and dwarves. The Circle of Magi on the other hand will help you against Loghain blight or no blight. This is because the disaster that befell the Circle was Loghain's doing. They have a score to settle against him, as does the Chantry, and not just for the Circle but for what he did to Ser Irminric Eremon and taking Jowan from him to use against Eamon. Speaking of Eamon, he is an arl, and as such swears loyalty to the only true remaining teyrn/teyrna in Ferelden, which is the human noble.

 

But even if the blight were the only reason for your allies supporting you, that alone is enough to make you the monarch (plot-wise). The banns would have to consider that without you Ferelden is doomed, as their forces are not enough to end the blight.

 

No, Arl Eamon swears fealty to the king / queen. And yes, the mages would help you against Loghain but won't assist you in a new civil war against your allies in the fight against the blight. Yes, they know without the armies you assembled Ferelden is doomed, but they will first put on the throne someone with actual claims than a usurper / dictator.

[Jeffry]

Btw Ferelden is not an elective monarchy, never has been. Ferelden follows primogeniture laws of succession. The Landsmeet was called to put an end to the civil war by placing a legitimate heir (which you are not by a long shot) on the throne and get rid of the usurper. It was not called for electing just about anybody from all available nobles, it was not an election, it was about deciding which one of those 2 lines would continue.

 

But what is more interesting, is WHO will be the ruler after Anora if she was made queen and Alistair died? She apparently can't have children So there is the possibility if the Warden was male and married her, he can see that the Cousland line will be the next royal line (legitimizing his bastard would be required for him to have a rightful heir of his blood).

[Dai Grepher]

The only people with a solid claim to the Fereldan throne are Alistair( base-born), Anora(marriage), Eamon(through Rowan's marriage to Maric), and Teagan( same as Eamon's claim). You don't have a claim by either, since the marriage didn't go through before Alistair bought it. Further, you may be Teyrn/a until Fergus comes back, but once he's back, he is Teyrn, as he was first born.

 

No, the human noble has a claim as well. In my case, my character is male. So he had a claim to the throne as Teyrn of Highever. He was in fact the highest ranking noble in Ferelden, and the only lawful war leader. The codex for Highever states that the Cousland family is second in rank only to the King. With the king gone, that makes the Cousland the highest ranking noble.

 

Furthermore, one of the codexes confirms that the king is basically a teyrn, but over all Ferelden not just one region of it. So again, the Cousland is the only remaining teyrn in Ferelden (since Loghain is a traitor). In fact, this is why Loghain attacked the Couslands first, because they outranked him.

 

And yes, a teyrn can become king. Bryce was considered over Cailan by many, and Loghain attempted to become king through his title of Teyrn of Gwaren.

 

Also, the teynir does not pass to the eldest. The game clearly states this. Dairren confirms that the younger Cousland is more likely to be named heir than Fergus. The title passes to whoever is most capable. And since Fergus was not capable of fulfilling to role, the duty falls to the human noble. Another example is Alfstanna and Irminric. The Waking Sea bannorn was to go to Irminric, but he thought Alfstanna would be better at ruling it than he. So it went to her instead.

[X Equestris]

No, the human noble has a claim as well. In my case, my character is male. So he had a claim to the throne as Teyrn of Highever. He was in fact the highest ranking noble in Ferelden, and the only lawful war leader. The codex for Highever states that the Cousland family is second in rank only to the King. With the king gone, that makes the Cousland the highest ranking noble.
 
Furthermore, one of the codexes confirms that the king is basically a teyrn, but over all Ferelden not just one region of it. So again, the Cousland is the only remaining teyrn in Ferelden (since Loghain is a traitor). In fact, this is why Loghain attacked the Couslands first, because they outranked him.
 
And yes, a teyrn can become king. Bryce was considered over Cailan by many, and Loghain attempted to become king through his title of Teyrn of Gwaren.
 
Also, the teynir does not pass to the eldest. The game clearly states this. Dairren confirms that the younger Cousland is more likely to be named heir than Fergus. The title passes to whoever is most capable. And since Fergus was not capable of fulfilling to role, the duty falls to the human noble. Another example is Alfstanna and Irminric. The Waking Sea bannorn was to go to Irminric, but he thought Alfstanna would be better at ruling it than he. So it went to her instead.

You said it yourself: Bryce was considered over Cailan. Not you, but Bryce. You are a political non-factor. No one in the nobility has the connections with you that they had with your father. As for Dairren, Dairren is a suck-up. I wouldn't believe what he was saying. In any case, Bryce never removed Fergus from the line of succession. It still falls to him. Your example is a case where the rightful heir abdicated. Fergus doesn't abdicate in any situation.

The Couslands may be the second ranking family in the nation, but the Theirins aren't dead yet. Anora, Eamon, and Teagan still have their claims through marriage. Even if they are all out of the way, Fergus is back after the end of the Blight, so he's in front of you, and even then it would fall to the Landsmeet to choose the new ruler.

[Dai Grepher]

We are talking post-Battle of Denerim, specifically.

 

What does that have to do with this discussion? The event in which the monarch(s) is/are elected is the Landsmeet.

 

@Jeffry It doesn't matter what it's based on. All that matters is what the canon states about the titles and the process. The codex entries confirm what I wrote.

 

Fergus becoming Teyrn is as I wrote. If Bryce names him such then it is so. Otherwise the title is in dispute between Fergus and the human noble. With Fergus unable to fulfill the role, the title automatically falls to the human noble. Also, even if you think Fergus automatically gets the title after the battle of Denerim, that doesn't change the fact that they noble held the title during the Landsmeet, which is when the decision of who shall rule is made.

 

While Origins doesn't confirm which teyrnir Redcliffe is part of, I supposed Inquisition confirms that the monarch has control over it, as that is granted to the mages by the monarch. Although even this is fishy, as I know Anora had to convince the Bannorn to let the mages stay. In any case, a Teyrn is a higher rank than an Arl, which is only slightly above a Bann. Also, Eamon owes you. So, there's that.

 

In the human noble origin you can talk to someone named Dairren. He confirms that many said Bryce should have been king instead of Cailan. This confirms that a teyrn can be elected king. Also consider the fact that every ruler of Ferelden is elected by the banns. Therefore, the banns can elect anyone they want. And as I already wrote, the Teyrn of Highever is the highest ranking leader in Ferelden after Cailan dies.

 

As for Alistair and Anora, both of their claims are weak. Alistair is a half-blood prince who does not want to rule. Anora is a consort who was shoved aside instantly after the king's death. She has administrative experience and nothing else. The Teyrn of Highever has survived multiple assassination attempts, commands Ferelden providences, and controls a massive army including aforementioned half-blood prince. The answer is obvious. The Teyrn has the strongest claim, and by Ferelden law he is already Ferelden's de facto leader.

 

The royal family and any relation to it does nothing but provide claim to the throne. It is not a guarantee to the throne, nor is it the only way to have a claim.

 

You can't know that the mages would not fight against Loghain's forces if needed. Logically they would, since Loghain caused the tragedy at the Circle and Loghain would have to be stopped before the blight could be stopped. The dwarves and elves? Yeah, they would sit that one out, for sure. But the Teyrn of Highever would still have the Circle and the Ferelden loyalists on his side against Loghain's usurpers.

 

You seem to be forgetting that Loghain was making a claim for the throne as well through his title as Teyrn of Gwaren. He was the only usurper/dictator there.

 

That's exactly wrong. Ferelden is an elective monarchy. Every single person to rule Ferelden must be and was elected by the banns. No exceptions.

 

The next monarch after a joint ruling Cousland and Anora, or just Alistair and/or Anora, would obviously be up to the Bannorn to elect, same as always. But Teyrn Fergus would have the strongest claim, as he would be the highest ranking leader in Ferelden.

[Dai Grepher]

You said it yourself: Bryce was considered over Cailan. Not you, but Bryce. You are a political non-factor. No one in the nobility has the connections with you that they had with your father. As for Dairren, Dairren is a suck-up. I wouldn't believe what he was saying. In any case, Bryce never removed Fergus from the line of succession. It still falls to him. Your example is a case where the rightful heir abdicated. Fergus doesn't abdicate in any situation.

The Couslands may be the second ranking family in the nation, but the Theirins aren't dead yet. Anora, Eamon, and Teagan still have their claims through marriage. Even if they are all out of the way, Fergus is back after the end of the Blight, so he's in front of you, and even then it would fall to the Landsmeet to choose the new ruler.

 

The point is that Bryce was the Teyrn of Highever, just as the male human noble is after Ostagar. Therefore, the male human noble does have a claim to the throne though law. As for connections, the male human noble can establish connections of his own through various means. Eamon, Sighard, Alfstanna, Wulf, nameless noble who hired Crows, Vaughn, and every noble who wants to get back at Loghain.

 

Suck-up or not, what he said was factual and presented as such in-game. It confirms that the Teyrn of Highever is an eligible candidate for the throne.

 

The teyrnir doesn't fall to the eldest, as the codex entries confirm it falls to the most capable. Fergus abdicates regardless as he is unable to fulfill the role of teyrn.

 

Anora, Eamon, and Teagan are not Theirins. Besides, the throne is not like a teyrnir. It does not pass within the family. Every new ruler must be elected by the banns.

 

It doesn't matter that Fergus showed up after the battle of Denerim. The banns voted in the Landsmeet, which took place before the battle of Denerim.

[In Exile]

well yes, I agree to the point, I do think that my PC have better claim to the throne than Anora - my PC is the arl (arless or whatever is the female variation of arl) of powerful noble house. I can't imagine that other arls would just give away opportunity to seize throne for their own house and re elect Anora (she wouldn't forget that they are not loyal to her anymore and they would be afraid of her revenge). From all the arls that remained in game PC is kinda obvious ruler

You're not an arl. You're not even the Cousland heir because you're a GW. The landsmeet has to had wave that away for Alistair too.

Also this is not pick y but technically the term for the Cousland is teyrn.