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[Jeffry]

Right at the top of wiki page of Ferelden it states: feudal monarchy, that doesn't sound like an elective monarchy to me.

 

Yes, the teyrn is an eligible canditate, just as basically any other noble. You being the teyrn (for now) does not give you the upper hand against arls and you won't become king automatically if all legitimate candidates die. What gives you the upper hand is royal blood or direct royal ties - i.e. what Alistair and Anora, or Eamon and Teagan have and you do not.

 

What? Since when Fergus is considering abdication? He is very well capable of running Highever. While the teyrn / arl / bann certainly can choose their successor if they believe a younger one is more suitable than the oldest one, this didn't happen for the Couslands. And by default the oldest child inherits the title if not stated otherwise. Why would Fergus, the rightful heir abdicate in favor of a Grey Warden who is not even supposed to hold titles is beyond me.

 

You could not simply be considered a sole ruler while against you stood 2 people with actual claims on the throne. You have only a title (which again doesn't make you more suitable for being king) and you have no armies that would help you fight against the rightful heirs. While all the various nobles supported you against the usurper, you honestly believe that all of them would support you and spill blood for you against rightful claimants? If anything, you could start a civil war and TRY to take the throne by force. That is the only way how you could take it.

 

Also Loghain took the throne as a regent of the queen, his daughter. Not because he is a teyrn.

[X Equestris]

What does that have to do with this discussion? The event in which the monarch(s) is/are elected is the Landsmeet.
 
@Jeffry It doesn't matter what it's based on. All that matters is what the canon states about the titles and the process. The codex entries confirm what I wrote.
 
Fergus becoming Teyrn is as I wrote. If Bryce names him such then it is so. Otherwise the title is in dispute between Fergus and the human noble. With Fergus unable to fulfill the role, the title automatically falls to the human noble. Also, even if you think Fergus automatically gets the title after the battle of Denerim, that doesn't change the fact that they noble held the title during the Landsmeet, which is when the decision of who shall rule is made.
 
While Origins doesn't confirm which teyrnir Redcliffe is part of, I supposed Inquisition confirms that the monarch has control over it, as that is granted to the mages by the monarch. Although even this is fishy, as I know Anora had to convince the Bannorn to let the mages stay. In any case, a Teyrn is a higher rank than an Arl, which is only slightly above a Bann. Also, Eamon owes you. So, there's that.
 
In the human noble origin you can talk to someone named Dairren. He confirms that many said Bryce should have been king instead of Cailan. This confirms that a teyrn can be elected king. Also consider the fact that every ruler of Ferelden is elected by the banns. Therefore, the banns can elect anyone they want. And as I already wrote, the Teyrn of Highever is the highest ranking leader in Ferelden after Cailan dies.
 
As for Alistair and Anora, both of their claims are weak. Alistair is a half-blood prince who does not want to rule. Anora is a consort who was shoved aside instantly after the king's death. She has administrative experience and nothing else. The Teyrn of Highever has survived multiple assassination attempts, commands Ferelden providences, and controls a massive army including aforementioned half-blood prince. The answer is obvious. The Teyrn has the strongest claim, and by Ferelden law he is already Ferelden's de facto leader.
 
The royal family and any relation to it does nothing but provide claim to the throne. It is not a guarantee to the throne, nor is it the only way to have a claim.
 
You can't know that the mages would not fight against Loghain's forces if needed. Logically they would, since Loghain caused the tragedy at the Circle and Loghain would have to be stopped before the blight could be stopped. The dwarves and elves? Yeah, they would sit that one out, for sure. But the Teyrn of Highever would still have the Circle and the Ferelden loyalists on his side against Loghain's usurpers.
 
You seem to be forgetting that Loghain was making a claim for the throne as well through his title as Teyrn of Gwaren. He was the only usurper/dictator there.
 
That's exactly wrong. Ferelden is an elective monarchy. Every single person to rule Ferelden must be and was elected by the banns. No exceptions.
 
The next monarch after a joint ruling Cousland and Anora, or just Alistair and/or Anora, would obviously be up to the Bannorn to elect, same as always. But Teyrn Fergus would have the strongest claim, as he would be the highest ranking leader in Ferelden.

You obviously didn't read the OP. The OP asked why her PC couldn't be the sole ruler if Alistair died slaying the Archdemon, and we were answering.

[X Equestris]

The point is that Bryce was the Teyrn of Highever, just as the male human noble is after Ostagar. Therefore, the male human noble does have a claim to the throne though law. As for connections, the male human noble can establish connections of his own through various means. Eamon, Sighard, Alfstanna, Wulf, nameless noble who hired Crows, Vaughn, and every noble who wants to get back at Loghain.
 
Suck-up or not, what he said was factual and presented as such in-game. It confirms that the Teyrn of Highever is an eligible candidate for the throne.
 
The teyrnir doesn't fall to the eldest, as the codex entries confirm it falls to the most capable. Fergus abdicates regardless as he is unable to fulfill the role of teyrn.
 
Anora, Eamon, and Teagan are not Theirins. Besides, the throne is not like a teyrnir. It does not pass within the family. Every new ruler must be elected by the banns.
 
It doesn't matter that Fergus showed up after the battle of Denerim. The banns voted in the Landsmeet, which took place before the battle of Denerim.

The amount of falsehoods in this post is astounding.

[Meave]

a) Bhelen owes me personally for making him a king, he landed his troops to my command to end the blight, cos he was obliged be treaties I had, not to repay his debt. Killing darkspawns benefits dwarves as well (less darkspawn in their tunnels and no archdemon=huge relieve for them). To repay personal favor for making him a king, he could just do the same for me

 

b)Winterfang is also bind to me personally for favor. If I unleashed her upon some annoying noble I would end up with no opposition and larger army...

 

c)I have Shale and army of nameless golems at my disposal. After some "accidental" golem disfunctions none would dare to oppose me and Branka would be happy to forge some for me if I brought her prisoners and let her keep half of them for herself

 

but ok Grinches... how about this - since PC and Alistar practised unprotected sex (could be a lot, altho I am not claiming frequency of Calanthe from Witcher serie there is VERY high probability that my PC would be pregnant with Alistar (considering she wanted to get pregnant at first place). Therefor their child would have claim by blood and my PC would be appointed queen regent until the child comes to age.

[Dai Grepher]

First, the wiki means nothing. As a member of the wiki I can confirm that it is nothing but a public blog. Unless the statement is backed up by canon evidence, then it is worthless.

 

Second, "feudal monarchy" doesn't describe how the monarchy comes to power. It just describes the direction of rule. One or two monarchs, sole or joint-rule, commanding over lesser nobles in a feudal setting. That's all that means.

 

Second, the actual video games confirms that the monarch's power derives from the banns. So the banns elect the monarchs. The throne does not pass through the bloodstream. Being of the blood simply makes you an eligible candidate for it.

 

Now, regarding rank, yes being a teyrn gives you an edge in terms of strength of your claim. Arls serve under teyrns. That's a fact.

 

I agree that being a teyrn does not automatically make you the king. All I'm saying is that being the highest ranking teyrn while there is no monarch makes you the highest ranking figure of authority. That doesn't make you king, but it makes you a strong candidate for the throne, to be decided by the banns.

 

Royal blood or relation to it by law does not give an upper hand except with banns who cherish such things. As we see in the game, blood relation means diddlysquat to the great majority of banns. Regarding those banns, I would think Alistair would be favored over Anora since he at least is the son of Maric, though not Rowan. But would they rather have a half-blood Theirin or a full-blood Cousland? I'm sure most would choose the half-blood Theirin, but my point is that this fractions the fraction of those banns who consider bloodline to be important. And don't forget what Dairren said. Many thought Bryce should have been king instead of Cailan. Which means there are banns who favor the Cousland bloodline even over a full-blood Theirin. Granted, these may fall in the category of those who don't care about bloodline, but some might be in the "bloodline is important" camp.

 

Fergus abdicates by default when he is injured in the Korkari Wilds and takes a year to recover in a Chasind hut. He's M.I.A. and presumed K.I.A. There was no way he could fulfill the duties of Teyrn of Highever.

 

Please provide proof that the eldest of the teyrn/teyrna inherits the title if no heir is named.

 

Grey Wardens can hold titles, especially if the Warden in question rejects what the Wardens stand for, like my male Cousland did. Oh, and like how Alistair can.

 

A claim just means you're an eligible candidate. The Cousland has a claim through title and law. The banns would have no problem with the Cousland being the sole ruler. It is legal and the most practical option, unless that particular Cousland is a complete moron or something.

 

Whether or not the title makes the Cousland more suitable is a matter for the banns to decide. I think it does over Alistair and Anora, but the point is that the title makes you an eligible candidate for the throne.

 

The "rightful heirs" are Alistair, who is loyal to the Warden by default, and Anora who is the daughter of a traitor and king-killer. And remember, Anora had no allies. Only her father had allies. So basically it comes down to the Cousland vs. Anora. And when I write "Anora" I mean Anora by herself. The Warden has the Circle, Ferelden forces, and possibly werewolves who will be happy to kill anything you turn them against. So yeah, you tell me who wins that one.

 

Actually, the terms of the duel were that the banns would abide by the decision. So the duel itself would compel the banns to honor your self-appointment. As Arl Wulf can say at the Landsmeet, how do you think Calanhad took the throne? He presented himself before the Landsmeet and declared himself king. All banns bowed to him, and funny thing is, he too had mages at his side for that. So yes, the fact you win the duel compels all banns to obey your decision.

 

He declared himself regent, and Anora had no ruling authority. She was a consort. A regent is not a king. Loghain was acting as regent before the Landsmeet. When Eamon called the Landsmeet Loghain put himself forward as king. Anora had nothing to do with it at that point.

[X Equestris]

a) Bhelen owes me personally for making him a king, he landed his troops to my command to end the blight, cos he was obliged be treaties I had, not to repay his debt. Killing darkspawns benefits dwarves as well (less darkspawn in their tunnels and no archdemon=huge relieve for them). To repay personal favor for making him a king, he could just do the same for me
 
b)Winterfang is also bind to me personally for favor. If I unleashed her upon some annoying noble I would end up with no opposition and larger army...
 
c)I have Shale and army of nameless golems at my disposal. After some "accidental" golem disfunctions none would dare to oppose me and Branka would be happy to forge some for me if I brought her prisoners and let her keep half of them for herself
 
but ok Grinches... how about this - since PC and Alistar practised unprotected sex (could be a lot, altho I am not claiming frequency of Calanthe from Witcher serie there is VERY high probability that my PC would be pregnant with Alistar (considering she wanted to get pregnant at first place). Therefor their child would have claim by blood and my PC would be appointed queen regent until the child comes to age.

On your last point, no couple of two Wardens has ever had children.

[Dai Grepher]

@X Equestris The OP's question is answered in the Landsmeet. The banns agreed on joint rule. So even if Alistair dies the female Cousland should still become queen. She doesn't because of gameplay reasons.

 

If that's what you think then please quote one falsehood I allegedly posted there.

[Meave]

On your last point, no couple of two Wardens has ever had children.

says who? and even if none had doesn't mean they can't. The clearly doesn't lose fertility by going thru the joining

[X Equestris]

First, the wiki means nothing. As a member of the wiki I can confirm that it is nothing but a public blog. Unless the statement is backed up by canon evidence, then it is worthless.
 
Second, "feudal monarchy" doesn't describe how the monarchy comes to power. It just describes the direction of rule. One or two monarchs, sole or joint-rule, commanding over lesser nobles in a feudal setting. That's all that means.
 
Second, the actual video games confirms that the monarch's power derives from the banns. So the banns elect the monarchs. The throne does not pass through the bloodstream. Being of the blood simply makes you an eligible candidate for it.
 
Now, regarding rank, yes being a teyrn gives you an edge in terms of strength of your claim. Arls serve under teyrns. That's a fact.
 
I agree that being a teyrn does not automatically make you the king. All I'm saying is that being the highest ranking teyrn while there is no monarch makes you the highest ranking figure of authority. That doesn't make you king, but it makes you a strong candidate for the throne, to be decided by the banns.
 
Royal blood or relation to it by law does not give an upper hand except with banns who cherish such things. As we see in the game, blood relation means diddlysquat to the great majority of banns. Regarding those banns, I would think Alistair would be favored over Anora since he at least is the son of Maric, though not Rowan. But would they rather have a half-blood Theirin or a full-blood Cousland? I'm sure most would choose the half-blood Theirin, but my point is that this fractions the fraction of those banns who consider bloodline to be important. And don't forget what Dairren said. Many thought Bryce should have been king instead of Cailan. Which means there are banns who favor the Cousland bloodline even over a full-blood Theirin. Granted, these may fall in the category of those who don't care about bloodline, but some might be in the "bloodline is important" camp.
 
Fergus abdicates by default when he is injured in the Korkari Wilds and takes a year to recover in a Chasind hut. He's M.I.A. and presumed K.I.A. There was no way he could fulfill the duties of Teyrn of Highever.
 
Please provide proof that the eldest of the teyrn/teyrna inherits the title if no heir is named.
 
Grey Wardens can hold titles, especially if the Warden in question rejects what the Wardens stand for, like my male Cousland did. Oh, and like how Alistair can.
 
A claim just means you're an eligible candidate. The Cousland has a claim through title and law. The banns would have no problem with the Cousland being the sole ruler. It is legal and the most practical option, unless that particular Cousland is a complete moron or something.
 
Whether or not the title makes the Cousland more suitable is a matter for the banns to decide. I think it does over Alistair and Anora, but the point is that the title makes you an eligible candidate for the throne.
 
The "rightful" heirs are Alistair, who is loyal to the Warden by default, and Anora who is the daughter of a traitor and king-killer. And remember, Anora had no allies. Only her father had allies. So basically it comes down to the Cousland vs. Anora. And when I write "Anora" I mean Anora by herself. The Warden has the Circle, Ferelden forces, and possibly werewolves who will be happy to kill anything you turn them against. So yeah, you tell me who wins that one.
 
Actually, the terms of the duel were that the banns would abide by the decision. So the duel itself would compel the banns to honor your self-appointment. As Arl Wulf can say at the Landsmeet, how do you think Calanhad took the throne? He presented himself before the Landsmeet and declared himself king. All banns bowed to him, and funny thing is, he too had mages at his side for that. So yes, the fact you win the duel compels all banns to obey your decision.
 
He declared himself regent, and Anora had no ruling authority. She was a consort. A regent is not a king. Loghain was acting as regent before the Landsmeet. When Eamon called the Landsmeet Loghain put himself forward as king. Anora had nothing to do with it at that point.

Anora actually does have allies. Gaining her support can greatly influence the Landsmeet.

Fergus doesn't abdicate by default while he is missing in the Wilds. I don't know where you concocted something so ridiculous.

The banns may elect the monarchs, but they have always elected a Theirin, and they greatly value ties to the bloodline. That's the clearest reason why a Cousland PC can't be a sole ruler: they have no connection to Calenhad's legacy, and they don't have the political clout Bryce had.

[X Equestris]

says who? and even if none had doesn't mean they can't. The clearly doesn't lose fertility by going thru the joining

The lead writer says so. Alistair himself tells you that all of the Wardens he knows who have children had those children before they joined the order.

[Rizilliant]

Reading through the 1st 3 pages of this post, is seems to me, Meave, that youre expecting your personal wants, and imagined expectations to simply be.. Wanting is not enough to bring reality to your desires.. Youve been given post after post of fact, and the games mechanics and lore, along with our own historys lore, and are choosing to ignore them all.. 

 

The simple fact is, you were never married to Allistar.. By law, you have zero claim to anything.. What youre referring to, by having an army you assume, is willing to help you userp the throne! Thats  something else entirely.. Its great that youre continuing your experience, and role playing your story, but its simply not in the game, nor anything you could present to a court to aid you..

 

Simply put, you were not married.. Anora is alive.. You werent given sole power to decide who was to be throned.. You had to sway the decision of the Landsmeet.. You had people who would help you to get either Anora, or Allistar, in order to save the country from civil war, and the usuprer, Loghain!  Nothing more..

 

PS: if your were engaged to a soldier, and he dies overseas in combat, you  do not get his flag!  His mother/father do.. if not, an immediate family member.. You get none of his posessions, lest he specifically gave proof in a will.. Even still, wills have been overthrown.. (Remember Anna Nicole, and she was married!)

[X Equestris]

@X Equestris The OP's question is answered in the Landsmeet. The banns agreed on joint rule. So even if Alistair dies the female Cousland should still become queen. She doesn't because of gameplay reasons.
 
If that's what you think then please quote one falsehood I allegedly posted there.

Teyrnirs fall to the eldest. Or did you miss the fact that Fergus is still Teyrn in Inquisition?

[Meave]

Anora actually does have allies. Gaining her support can greatly influence the Landsmeet.

Fergus doesn't abdicate by default while he is missing in the Wilds. I don't know where you concocted something so ridiculous.

The banns may elect the monarchs, but they have always elected a Theirin, and they greatly value ties to the bloodline. That's the clearest reason why a Cousland PC can't be a sole ruler: they have no connection to Calenhad's legacy, and they don't have the political clout Bryce had.

 

yes, it was common practice for kings/arls/teyrns to leave their duties for several years w**re around and return. None would rule for the time being, right...

 

my PC is pure blood Cousland which achieved immense power both political and military. It would be gain for all Fereledan to profit from such connections mainly economically since whole land is exhausted by the war

[Jeffry]

Why am I required to provide evidences and you are not? I am sensing a double standard here. Also the DA wiki is a very reliable source here, since it derives its info from the game, codexes, books, comics, what devs said, World of Thedas, etc. And yes, elective monarchy directly contradicts feudal monarchy. Or would you say that Holy Roman Empire in the 16th century or Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth were feudal monarchies? They were not.

 

The power derives from the banns in that way that the ruler is not an absolutist ruler and must every year seek their support for his policy. You know, to prevent tyranny.

 

Fergus became the teyrn of Highever as soon as he returned. (And since you love evidences so much, this can be seen in DAO:A epilogue)

 

And no, simply being a teyrn does not give you the upper hand, I really don't know where are you getting this from. Being a figure of authority does give you the upper hand. The Landsmeet would vote for Arl Eamon over you any day of the week if it came to that.

 

And who else would inherit the title of Teyrn if not the oldest child when the previous teyrn forgot to choose his successor?

 

The Couslands have the same claim to the throne as any other noble. Alistair is the son of king, Anora is the current queen. And yes, the nobles even in Ferelden value the bloodline of King Calenhad and relatives of that blood line. There is no law that places teyrns above others when it comes to choosing a ruler, teyrn only means he can have vassals of his own.

[Meave]

Reading through the 1st 3 pages of this post, is seems to me, Meave, that youre expecting your personal wants, and imagined expectations to simply be.. Wanting is not enough to bring reality to your desires.. Youve been given post after post of fact, and the games mechanics and lore, along with our own historys lore, and are choosing to ignore them all.. 

 

The simple fact is, you were never married to Allistar.. By law, you have zero claim to anything.. What youre referring to, by having an army you assume, is willing to help you userp the throne! Thats  something else entirely.. Its great that youre continuing your experience, and role playing your story, but its simply not in the game, nor anything you could present to a court to aid you..

 

Simply put, you were not married.. Anora is alive.. You werent given sole power to decide who was to be throned.. You had to sway the decision of the Landsmeet.. You had people who would help you to get either Anora, or Allistar, in order to save the country from civil war, and the usuprer, Loghain!  Nothing more..

 

PS: if your were engaged to a soldier, and he dies overseas in combat, you  do not get his flag!  His mother/father do.. if not, an immediate family member.. You get none of his posessions, lest he specifically gave proof in a will.. Even still, wills have been overthrown.. (Remember Anna Nicole, and she was married!)

 

oh suddenly your "truth" and lore has more weight than mine simple cos you said it hmmm I smell hypocracy...

[X Equestris]

yes, it was common practice for kings/arls/teyrns to leave their duties for several years w**re around and return. None would rule for the time being, right...
 
my PC is pure blood Cousland which achieved immense power both political and military. It would be gain for all Fereledan to profit from such connections mainly economically since whole land is exhausted by the war

It's not abdication. The next in line rules their land, but in the name of whoever is lord. For example, in the human noble origin, Bryce leaves you in charge of Highever, but you're not Teyrn.

Post-Blight, the Couslands have little military power. It was either destroyed at Highever or during the fighting in the Wilds. Your vassals are unreliable, weakened by the fighting, or both.

[Jeffry]

oh suddenly your "truth" and lore has more weight than mine simple cos you said it hmmm I smell hypocracy...

 

No, the game's lore and the actual history the game is based on has more weight than what you want to happen. Rizilliant said it correctly.

[Rizilliant]

yes, it was common practice for kings/arls/teyrns to leave their duties for several years w**re around and return. None would rule for the time being, right...

 

my PC is pure blood Cousland which achieved immense power both political and military. It would be gain for all Fereledan to profit from such connections mainly economically since whole land is exhausted by the war

You make alot of assumptions, and have unrealistic expectations of what could, or should happen simply because you say so.. Im dumb-founded by your blatant disregard of fact.. It is all explained, and this part atleast, is wrapped up quite neatly..You dont simply get to be king because you brought groups together to stop a threat to the world.. Those groups backed you because of Grey Warden treaties obligated them to do so.. Not because they wanted you to be a king! At no point anywhere in the game, do these armies even make hints at backing you, should you decide to ignore to hierachy..

 

Wish in one hand, and crap in the other.. See which fills first!

[Rizilliant]

This has got to be a young person, with no real-world experience.. Some of the remarks seem to indicate such, so i remain hesitant to take it seriously.. Its a troll at the very least...

[Jeffry]

This has got to be a young person, with no real-world experience.. Some of the remarks seem to indicate such, so i remain hesitant to take it seriously.. Its a troll at the very least...

 

Nah, I wouldn't say either. He mentioned Game of Thrones a page or two ago, so it seems to me he is just really caught up in that series or in his own head-canon (nothing wrong about that, I'd for example like to believe that my Inquisitor will stay with Cassandra despite her being the new Divine). GoT is an excellent series of books and the tv show is awesome, but it still is a fiction and really has very little relevance to how things would work in Thedas. After all Ferelden is based on England, not Westeros.

[Dai Grepher]

Teyrnirs fall to the eldest. Or did you miss the fact that Fergus is still Teyrn in Inquisition?

 

Teyrnirs do not fall to the eldest. They fall to the most capable. The game confirms this. Fergus being teyrn in Inquisition has nothing to do with this. For that matter, Fergus being named teyrn at the end of Origins does not mean anything either. We do not know what happened between the end of the battle of Denerim and the post-coronation ceremony. For all we know the Warden gave up the title of teyrn so Fergus could have it.

 

In my playthrough the answer would obviously be that the male Cousland was king by that point and so Fergus would become teyrn by default.

 

So that is not a falsehood. Try again.

 

I will reply to everything else later.

[Dai Grepher]

Rizilliant, Meave is just asking a valid question. Meave is not trying to inject personal preference into anything. The question is why a female Cousland is not sole ruler if Alistair dies and the Bannorn agreed to joint rule. Logically, the female Cousland should be the sole ruler in that case, especially if Anora was completely discredited and locked in a tower. The answer is because BioWare simply did not write all the possibilities into the game. BioWare only designed the game with five outcomes; Alistair or Anora alone, Alistair or Anora with the opposite-sex Cousland, or Alistair and Anora together.

[Jeffry]

Teyrnirs do not fall to the eldest. They fall to the most capable. The game confirms this. Fergus being teyrn in Inquisition has nothing to do with this. For that matter, Fergus being named teyrn at the end of Origins does not mean anything either. We do not know what happened between the end of the battle of Denerim and the post-coronation ceremony. For all we know the Warden gave up the title of teyrn so Fergus could have it.

 

In my playthrough the answer would obviously be that the male Cousland was king by that point and so Fergus would become teyrn by default.

 

So that is not a falsehood. Try again.

 

I will reply to everything else later.

 

But who is there to judge who is more capable if the previous teyrn didn't appoint his successor? All the banns and arls of the teyrnir will decide that? There is no indication of this in the game as far as I know, thus we believe it falls to the eldest in that case as was the tradition (and actually law) in feudal society the game is based on.

[X Equestris]

Rizilliant, Meave is just asking a valid question. Meave is not trying to inject personal preference into anything. The question is why a female Cousland is not sole ruler if Alistair dies and the Bannorn agreed to joint rule. Logically, the female Cousland should be the sole ruler in that case, especially if Anora was completely discredited and locked in a tower. The answer is because BioWare simply did not write all the possibilities into the game. BioWare only designed the game with five outcomes; Alistair or Anora alone, Alistair or Anora with the opposite-sex Cousland, or Alistair and Anora together.

Anora wasn't totally discredited, though. Alistair even tells the Landsmeet that if anything happens to him, Anora can have her throne back.

[Dai Grepher]

Jeffry, just because it's based on a real world system does not mean it works the same way. Unless you have a codex stating that the eldest inherits the title if no heir is named, then this remains your theory and nothing else.

 

Logically, the ones who decide who gets to be teyrn would be those within that family. But since Fergus was M.I.A., the human noble is the more capable person by default. So that required no discussion.