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#126
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New rules?

 

The current set of rules was posted a year ago.

They look similar to the ones I've seen before.

 

http://forum.bioware...c/3-site-rules/

 

Yes, posts in Scuttlebuts. Only Conal Pierse bothers sometimes to post in this enormous 800 pages while seems like here we have 3-4 people that even don't play MP. And yet another quote:

 

wertysy, there's been a good constructive flow of information these last few pages,

the angry rant you posted really isn't helping.

 

Now that this thread is running nicely, allowing the sharing of much needed information

it doesn't need to have bricks thrown at it, thanks.


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#127
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The current set of rules was posted a year ago.

They look similar to the ones I've seen before.

 

http://forum.bioware...c/3-site-rules/

 

 

Yeah, those aren't new.

 

I thought he was saying there were new rules implemented since the whole fiasco we just experienced here over the past week and a half.



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I've been asked to post this on Penguin's behalf as a last message. To the moderators: the video doesn't discuss moderation at all, as you can see from the transcript. 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=8h4W7F6J9rc

 

TRANSCRIPT:

 

Hello everyone,
Last update on this topic I promise.
 
So, this morning I took a look on the bioware social network and I have to say that I am very impressed. I see that there is multiple developers from bioware commenting and discussing how best to manage developer fan interaction. 
I also noticed that among the responses, a few people are still dwelling on some of the comments made to myself on my original thread, aswell as using my name alongside complaints. I would like to please ask you to stop. Let the past rest. I am no longer a part of the bioware forums as a contributor, and thats fine. Im not angry, outraged or upset by it. In truth, I am glad, because it was not bringing out the best in me. I dont hold any resentment, infact I am very happy that the team over at Bioware are finally opening up communication lines for us. There is a phrase, the night is darkest before the dawn, and I think that this is really the case here.
 
Now, firstly, I want to address Amelia, who was very much a centerpiece of my initial thread. One thing I think many of us forgot in the heat of the moment, myself included, was that Amelia is not a community manager and had no obligation to post the things that she did. She is a programmer who volunteered her time into this community.
I want to take this opportunity to apologize specifically to you Amelia, if you are watching this. I understand that some of my comments made in frustration were offensive to yourself and your colleagues and for that, I am sorry.
 
Secondly, I would like to address Allan Schumacher, QA analyst at bioware, who stepped in to fray to try and calm things down. Ill just say that you have much bigger balls than I do, because I wouldn't have touched that thread with a 10 foot pole. I think I speak for all of us when I say that you have made a very large impact on this community and are helping steer the ship in a very positive direction.
  
Lastly, I want to address Bioware, the fans of their work and the community as a whole. I think we are all in agreement that we all want this game to work, because lets face it, its pretty ****** awesome. I think that this is a great time for us all to start fresh with a clean slate with each other, and hopefully we will look back on this game and its developers with a fond memory, similar to how we look back at the mass effect 3 multiplayer dev team currently.
 
As for me, ill keep doing what im doing. I will still continue playing this game and ill still continue making content for it providing at least 1 person is willing to watch it. You can find everything I do on my youtube channel, on reddit and hopefully here on BSN, if I can bribe someone to post it on my behalf.  
 
Thanks for watching, 
Goodbye

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#129
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"This is crack rock cocaine.  It isn't glamorous or cool or kid's stuff........."



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Well Bioware, it is nice to see you trying to develop better lines of communication, but I'm skeptical to say the least. One of my biggest issues (maybe I'm alone, maybe Im not) was feeling disrespected by the company I had chosen to give money to. I find the way you act towards us is very condescending and after this don't ever see a reason for it to change. I get a vibe that the only reason you jumped in was because you didn't want people to think you are a "thieving liar who sleeps in a cave full of money like some kind of dragon". I feel like you have skirted this issue, and are doing a very good job of "being involved" without having to actually admit any wrong doing or touch on bigger problems. It seems like you will just delete posts, ignore questions and ban people until those of us who won't become complacent are all gone. No issues if you can censor anything anti-Bioware in the forums, right? Anyways, just my 2 cents, take it or delete it.


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#131
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Quoting individual posts doesn't prove anything.

 

And there have been posts by several BioWare employees. Particularly in threads about specific issues, such as the sound and banter thread. You are denying their existence because it doesn't suit you to acknowledge them, but that doesn't change reality.

 

Just searched 3 main threads. Couple posts from Allan at 26 November and 2-3 from "dark avatar-forgot name". Nothing more. Am i blind or you didn't even bother to search?

 

And i couldn't care less about your "constructive criticism" and wishfull thinking that they will add even 1 thing from that Mofojoker 100 A4 pages thread.

 

I'm also not angry at all. Just wanted to clarify WHY they bother to convince some trustfull people that they care. They just want your money. Good bye and thanks for proving my point.



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I really liked it when the game had just launched and BWEAmelia was more active and casual here.



#133
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Just searched 3 main threads. Couple posts from Allan at 26 November and 2-3 from "dark avatar-forgot name". Nothing more. Am i blind or you didn't even bother to search?

 

You selectively searched 3 threads out of thousands. Of course, if you specifically avoid looking for anything that contradicts your confirmation bias, you will affirm your confirmation bias.

 

And i couldn't care less about your "constructive criticism" 

 

That much is obvious.

 

 

I'm also not angry at all.

 

Your posts do not concur with this statement, at all.

 

 

Good bye and thanks for proving my point.

 

I don't see how anything proves your point, since there is no proof of something that isn't true.

 

Time will tell if your goodbye is any more sincere than the rest.



#134
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And i couldn't care less about your "constructive criticism" and wishfull thinking that they will add even 1 thing from that Mofojoker 100 A4 pages thread.

 

Wasn't getting credit enough?


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#135
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Eh, might as well ask this here. The worst thing that could happen is that I won't get an answer, as it has been since launch.

 

We were promised schematics. Where are the schematics?

 

When I saw the last weekend challenge with the community goal and victory chest, I actually got my hopes up for a few days. Then I found out that it was just another chest of disappointment with a fancy name. The loot system is an abomination right now, weapons lazily copied and pasted from singleplayer without all the crafting possibilities. I am the "proud" owner of eight Longbows of the Griffon, sitting on a mountain of materials that are completely useless to me. There is no sense of progression and close to no variety, due to ability damage being tied to weapon base damage which is tied to weapon level.

 

I have sat through countless key bugs, black loading screens, disconnects, disconnect loops, crashes to desktop, empty hotbar, immobility upon joining, entrances to Narnia, host incompatibilities, australian tier lag to people on my continent and countless in-game glitches, yet the terrible loot system and the complete lack of improvement so far was the last straw that made me stop playing and caring about the game in it's current state.

 

Schematics were mentioned as something we'd like to give out for weekend challenges in the future. We've been actively working towards that goal, but unforeseen difficulties as well as higher priority issues have delayed this feature a bit. I can't say for certain that they will eventually come, it may turn out to be way more trouble than its worth and we'll seek another way to reward you guys in a cool way, but we are actively working on these.

 

Also devs if you want us to take the leaderboards seriously then remove the cheaters from it please. I don't care if they can still play the game afterwards but they shouldn't be allow to take legitimate players spots. That's fubar.

 

Agreed. Really sorry about that. We're aware of the cheaters, its not hard to miss them at the top of the leaderboards. Cheaters will be dealt with eventually but right now the process we're taking to deal with them is waiting on an external team.

 

The only time I really run into the bug now is when a giant is present. It appears it happens when the giant is killed while rising from his knees he then stands motionless then disappears causing the key to not drop. Anyone know if this is a known issue?

 

Thats really interesting. I'll forward this to the designer that was looking at the issue and see if we can find something.


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#136
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Thats really interesting. I'll forward this to the designer that was looking at the issue and see if we can find something.


I wasn't aware of this specific case. I'll take a look into what might be happening.


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#137
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Just searched 3 main threads. Couple posts from Allan at 26 November and 2-3 from "dark avatar-forgot name". Nothing more. Am i blind or you didn't even bother to search?

 

I might be inclined to go with "blind." Because, just for fun, I spent 5 whole seconds searching the first forum, and here is what I see:

 

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The first eight threads all have BioWare tags in them, and that doesn't even account for the number of posts by BioWare employees in the threads.  :whistle:


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#138
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Because only EAWare guys can start topics in this subforum genius...?



#139
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I like the argument going on about whether or not Devs are posting in threads, in between the actual Devposts.

 

-Please cap character stats when you prestiege characters, I don't want to get totally OP.

 

-When you finish a game as a level 20, let us put forth that first game into the next level of XP so we don't have to spend 50 hours in routine or find some group with an arcane warrior to carry you.


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#140
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Agreed. Really sorry about that. We're aware of the cheaters, its not hard to miss them at the top of the leaderboards. Cheaters will be dealt with eventually but right now the process we're taking to deal with them is waiting on an external team.

 

Aha, the secret service then  :D

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Since this seems the best chance to get a dev responce. Are you guys aware mindblast no longer generates barrier properly after you die once on a map. For some reason it will still generate if someone barriers u first but wont generate from scratch.



#142
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I like the argument going on about whether or not Devs are posting in threads, in between the actual Devposts.

 

Yep.

 

And this thread is too good an opportunity to let it turn into yet another whining locked thread.

I am biting my electronic tongue not to get involved.

  • Challenge once (politely), 
  • report
  • ignore

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#143
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Yep.

And this thread is too good an opportunity to let it turn into yet another whining locked thread.
I am biting my electronic tongue not to get involved.

  • Challenge once (politely),
  • report
  • ignore

I'm grudgingly restraining myself as well.

Ugh, is this what they call maturity?
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#144
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Because only EAWare guys can start topics in this subforum genius...?

 

Ah, the goodbye was, indeed, as sincere as the rest.

 

So what does the subforum have to do with it, I wonder? Your claim was that there were no posts by BioWare employees outside of the MP forum. I could take more photos of BioWare posts that it would take only a few seconds of searching to find, but you would simply reject those, and claim they don't count, because they contradict your confirmation bias.

 

But that veiled insult against my intelligence is cute, considering you have yet to make a statement that cannot be proven categorically as wrong.



#145
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I thought you were gone Yumi, or wasn't that a goodbye/ragequit earlier?



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For all you guys know, Penguin is one of the new forum mods. Let sleeping dogs lie.

Ty BW. I have hope again!

K my on topic comment: Let's get the devs playing with the fanbase in a weekly or bi-weekly live stream please!!! Things like this make players happier than pigs in ****.
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#147
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I'm grudgingly restraining myself as well.

Ugh, is this what they call maturity?

 

I think it is (though we are debating, in all seriously on a games forum, my daughters would tut at me).

But I'll be damned if I'm going to let this useful thread go hell  :devil: 

(no that last sentence made no logical sense, but I hope you get what I mean)



#148
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Yep.

 

And this thread is too good an opportunity to let it turn into yet another whining locked thread.

I am biting my electronic tongue not to get involved.

  • Challenge once (politely), 
  • report
  • ignore

 

 

I don't report, really. I think I've reported a total of 3 times in over two years, but I'm not 100% sure of that. That doesn't count reporting my own threads, when lag caused a double-post, or I posted in the wrong forum and wanted it to be moved.

 

But I really and for truly am finished. I can't imagine what else I could add at this point, anyway. :P

 

I'm grudgingly restraining myself as well.

Ugh, is this what they call maturity?

 

I'm going to go ahead and say no. smiley_innocent.gif



#149
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...Penguin is one of the new forum mods...

 

I would love to drag some devs through perilous games :D

 

And not just because I would use the elementalist glitch on the live stream for ULTIMATE LULZ



#150
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I thought you were gone Yumi, or wasn't that a goodbye/ragequit earlier?

Allan's milkshake brought me back to the yard.

I edited my original post to better reflect that.
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