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#201
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Friendly player collision is literally the best reason to play a stealth class right now.

 

No more getting stuck behind that player that doesn't know sprint exists. xD



#202
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Friendly player collision is literally the best reason to play a Katari class right now.

 

No more getting stuck behind that player that doesn't know sprint exists. xD

 

FTFY - Charging Bull for the win!

 

 

Also Katari should be able to just step over the dwarves  :P



#203
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Squeaky wheel gets the kick. The communication between devs and fans got some wind in sails.



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God, I have I mentioned I hate net code? Especially with load balancers and proxy servers. Why yes, Mr. security person, of course the system fail-over is less than 10 seconds... if we have only one computer and one server, both in the same room.

I suddenly have the urge to make a televised sport of throwing computers off the top of buildings.

Aside, nice to hear things are moving along smoother now.

 

 

As soon as I read "hyperbolic" my mind went to Goku:



Ah... the Hyper-tonic Lion Tamer...

My man..



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Friendly player collision is literally the best reason to play a stealth class right now.

 

No more getting stuck behind that player that doesn't know sprint exists. xD

 

Agreed.



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Agreed.

But,if they stick with playes collision,they should make it right at least.

Katari should mow those anorexic mages.



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Hi again, I'm that guy from page 3 2 (I can't maths) whose post is getting likes but no quotes or responses whatsoever.

 

You've all gotten distracted from the meat of the issue which is that BioWare does not engage the fanbase in constructive discussion often enough and while both sides are at fault here, one of them has to be the wiser and politer than the other if this conflict is to be resolved peaceably (i.e. without nuking the forums, shutting down MP and/or reacting in any other manner which is sorta tolerated from indie devs* but is unbecoming for an AAA game company that EA expects BioWare to be).

 

Do we want more feedback from the people with the blue company logo under their avatars? Yes.

Are we getting it? Within the confines of this thread, super.

Is this a solution? Nope.gif.

 

Allan, you're a reasonable person, and I fondly remember our talks during the Mass Effect 3 Dark Age, even if you may not remember me because there's tons of us and one of you. I'm pretty sure you understand that placating the userbase as a whole is in the company's interests, and while this thread is an entertaining proof of concept, I would be eternally grateful to you if you talk to whoever is responsible for the Dragon Age forums in general to tell them that the Feedback & Suggestions forum could sure use a "Frequently Asked Questions" sticky thread featuring quick concise answers (or at least links to thread where these answers can be found, at least to this thread), because there's TONS of community concerns where are either being blithely ignored(or have the appearance of such) or being answered in various hard-to-discover threads such as this one.

 

I'm pretty sure that's the job a Community Manager is supposed to be doing, and I'm aware this is not you, but I'm also aware that previous Community Managers that BSN has had didn't fully grasp this fact either, or the fact that a company is judged by how their Community Manager acts and behaves and reacts to things, and in this respect I'm afraid your company is infamous, and I'm worried about the fact that none of the management seem to be aware of this, or what this means for their bottom line.

 

Post-sale services, of which forum support is one, are a major customer retention factor, and the last unequivocally good post-sale service that didn't depend on paid DLC that BioWare did was the bunch of unofficial dev-made patches for Baldur's Gate II**. That, by the way, is one of the many, many reasons that that game is still remembered fondly and held as a high standard despite having a buggy initial release: BioWare CARED and we, as the people playing their games, felt it.

 

These days? Not so much, I'm afraid.

 

P.S. Allan, I think you and your colleagues may have caused more damage than you just fixed. Congratulations.

 

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* - I am deeply sorry, but for all the flak he unjustly gets for his political views regarding feminism, I still stand by my opinion that Phil Fish is a terrible person. Because that happens. You can believe in a good thing but still be a terrible person, net worth wise.

** - I keep forgetting who it was that was at the core of that particular patch, but it was someone pivotal in the Dragon Age team, wasn't it? Can anyone help me jog my memory?


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#208
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What about text chat?
There are lots of PC players who want text chat. Is it unreasonable to expect a response on this? We asked for this for ME3, and were ignored. We've asked for this for DAI, and so far have been ignored.


IIRC Bryan Johnson said on Reddit that it was unlikely to happen.

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Because of the console port/parity thing most likely.



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Because of the console port/parity thing most likely.

But I was under the impression there is no crossplay. If there is no crossplay, why should there be a concern for parity?

 

Hell, just like in ME3MP, just adding a commo rose a-la Battlefield would be a significant improvement over not having anything.



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I'll ask about this tomorrow. I seem to remember reading the same comment, but I can't recall the source.

 

If it helps out, Billy was the one who stated that on Twitter back in December:

 

http://forum.bioware.../#entry18218068

 

Go poke the Boss Man. ;)


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Hi again, I'm that guy from page 3 2 (I can't maths) whose post is getting likes but no quotes or responses whatsoever.

 

You've all gotten distracted from the meat of the issue which is that BioWare does not engage the fanbase in constructive discussion often enough 

 

*snip*

 

I'm going to guess that the reason you're not getting a response is because the goal with this interaction is to discuss the game and feedback about the game.

 

Your post goes into the developers' personal politics, among other things. I would actually prefer that they not respond on that level, and that the interactions are, instead, friendly, and related to the game.

 

I am speculating, and cannot speak for them, just to be clear.


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#213
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I'm going to guess that the reason you're not getting a response is because the goal with this interaction is to discuss the game and feedback about the game.

Well, you and Spacefiddle spent almost a whole page's worth of posts between the two of you discussing whether or not you were trolling when you gave someone a new-threads-from-mods-only forum as an example of mod/BW people posting outside of multiplayer forums, which also didn't have anything to do with the game, whereas my posts mostly pursue the simple goal of "why not post dev interaction threads in the feedback forum, isn't that what it is for, this not-interaction thing, which is the original purpose of this thread, is reducing the number of people playing DAIMP", which is actually rather relevant.

 

In other words, hello kettle, I am pot, and boy do I have news for you!


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I don't consider it a contradiction. Here is what I consider a contradiction:
Players - We want Dev interaction! C'mon wtf?
Devs. - Alright we messed up. Let's start talking about how to fix it.
Players - No way. You messed up. /rant


Give it a chance

When the "give it a chance" consists of them posting in the section of the forums which is frequented by the customers they think of as future cash cows(MP) and yet there has been zero interaction regarding fixes on the only important part of the game(SP) then no they won't get a chance at all till they do their job and fix the damn game so that we get what was advertised( Y'know a game "made by PC Gamers for PC Gamers").

 

What we have right now is not interaction its damage control to maintain their future revenue stream from DAMP and after 2 months of meaningless PR Twaddle a "we're looking into this blah blah blah" accompanied with the defacto "its complicated" excuses is not enough they have been given more than enough time to make major inroads to fixing the game and instead of investigating they choose to spend that time doing more marketing.

 

For me and I gather alot of people who do not care about DAMP and will never touch that abomination that should have never existed,Bioware will likely have till Witcher 3's release to fix this steaming pile of Wivern Poop before we give up on this franchise altogether and move on to a Dev who actually gives a Mabari's Danglybits about its SP consumer base.



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Well, you and Spacefiddle spent almost a whole page's worth of posts between the two of you discussing whether or not you were trolling when you gave someone a new-threads-from-mods-only forum as an example of mod/BW people posting outside of multiplayer forums, which also didn't have anything to do with the game, whereas my posts mostly pursue the simple goal of "why not post dev interaction threads in the feedback forum, isn't that what it is for, this not-interaction thing, which is the original purpose of this thread, is reducing the number of people playing DAIMP", which is actually rather relevant.

 

In other words, hello kettle, I am pot, and boy do I have news for you!

 

I don't really see what the two have to do with each other. I assumed you were referring to why a developer hadn't responded to your post, and that was what I was answering to.

 

I also don't understand the pot kettle reference. I don't remember calling you any names or even criticizing you, at all.



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...on the only important part of the game(SP) ...

 

Says who?


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But I was under the impression there is no crossplay. If there is no crossplay, why should there be a concern for parity?

 

Hell, just like in ME3MP, just adding a commo rose a-la Battlefield would be a significant improvement over not having anything.

 

Eaware is in bed with microsoft (that's what all the Xbone logos on every official material are all about), everything that makes the game better on other platforms is more than likely forbidden by the contract they have. Aside from gross incompetency, it's the main reason we don't have a proper PC UI, controls and functionnality.



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I don't really see what the two have to do with each other. I assumed you were referring to why a developer hadn't responded to your post, and that was what I was answering to.

I also don't understand the pot kettle reference. I don't remember calling you any names or even criticizing you, at all.


If you look up the term "ad hominem", you'll have your answer. It's a rampant issue in the internet.

Aside, I would just move on and not give it any more thought. There are better things to discuss, like text chat on PC (which I know you don't care about being a console player lol).

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I don't really see what the two have to do with each other. I assumed you were referring to why a developer hadn't responded to your post, and that was what I was answering to.
 
I also don't understand the pot kettle reference. I don't remember calling you any names or even criticizing you, at all.

I was, and I elaborated why I chose to post this here and not elsewhere.
It's a reference to the English saying "The pot calling the kettle black", which is used when you are accusing someone of something you are guilty of yourself. In this case I posit that your debate was no more relevant to this thread than my two (admittedly lengthy, yet less numerous overall) posts, which sort of makes it hypocritical of you to accuse me of irrelevance.
 
 

Eaware is in bed with microsoft (that's what all the Xbone logos on every official material are all about), everything that makes the game better on other platforms is more than likely forbidden by the contract they have. Aside from gross incompetency, it's the main reason we don't have a proper PC UI, controls and functionnality.

As you'll see if you gloss over the other threads on the forums, the console builds are no less free from problems than the PC, with the controls as much as with everything else. In fact, the PC has it slightly easier with available fanmade workarounds.


If you look up the term "ad hominem", you'll have your answer. It's a rampant issue in the internet.
It is, yes, but in this case I consider myself the offended party.
 
I posted a post regarding the importance of dev feedback back when this thread was about the importance of dev feedback, then, when the thread devolved into bug reports among several attempts to provoke a thread-close-worthy offtopic discussion, tried to remind people that it began with the issue of seeming BioWare unavailability on the forums which is yet to be addressed, and the other forum sections taking offense at the very existance of this thread.

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If you look up the term "ad hominem", you'll have your answer. It's a rampant issue in the internet.

Aside, I would just move on and not give it any more thought. There are better things to discuss, like text chat on PC (which I know you don't care about being a console player lol).

 

Actually, I've always supported text chat for PC. I'm a lover. :P



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I was, and I elaborated why I chose to post this here and not elsewhere.

It's a reference to the English saying "The pot calling the kettle black", which is used when you are accusing someone of something you are guilty of yourself. In this case I posit that your debate was no more relevant to this thread than my two (admittedly lengthy, yet less numerous overall) posts, which sort of makes it hypocritical of you to accuse me of irrelevance.

 

Um... could you quote me the part where I accused you of irrelevance?  :huh:



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Actually, I've always supported text chat for PC. I'm a lover. :P


Fair play to you then! :-)

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Because of the console port/parity thing most likely.


It's probably because there is already a text chat option on Origin. But it's limited (have to alt tab out of the game to chat and can only chat with friends) so wish they would implement a true chat for us.

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Um... could you quote me the part where I accused you of irrelevance?  :huh:

Boldening mine:

I'm going to guess that the reason you're not getting a response is because the goal with this interaction is to discuss the game and feedback about the game.
 
Your post goes into the developers' personal politics, among other things. I would actually prefer that they not respond on that level, and that the interactions are, instead, friendly, and related to the game.
 
I am speculating, and cannot speak for them, just to be clear.

I admit that you do note these are just speculations, but still, that is pretty much a "your post wasn't about the game, so that's why it must've been ignored", is it not?

 

I apologize if my reaction has been too harsh, but I tend to be long-winded when justifying my points on these forums and my actual point may have gotten lost in the textwall, and I really don't want it to be.

 

To reiterate: discussing feedback is awesome, and engaging in feedback is awesome, but I really wish it would happen on a less random basis in places where the entire forum can see it, because there's a score of angry PC users in the PC Problems thread that feels like BioWare isn't reading their thread, and they angry, and they're PC users, which means they're twice as rude when angry.

 

The last time this much angry happened, half the forums were shut down and I don't want that to happen, hence my long post explaining why this should not be ignored.



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Boldening mine:

I admit that you do note these are just speculations, but still, that is pretty much a "your post wasn't about the game, so that's why it must've been ignored", is it not?

 

I have no idea how you can interpret what I said as a criticism of you, or an accusation of irrelevance. I offered my guess as to why the developers hadn't responded to you directly, and nothing in what you quoted says otherwise.

 

I also shared my opinion of what kind of developer interaction I would like. If my opinion offended you, that is a separate issue. The fact that I prefer friendly interaction is not an accusation of irrelevance, it is not an insult, and it is not an ad hominim attack against you.

 

Calling me a hypocrite because you happen to dislike my opinion is a different story.