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[Nykara]

If they gave you ALL of the information right from the start with no reveals left for the games, what reason would you even have to play the games? The reveals along the way are what makes these games fun. Not to mention the speculation and different peoples interpretation of what they see.

[Precursor Meta]

If they gave you ALL of the information right from the start with no reveals left for the games, what reason would you even have to play the games? The reveals along the way are what makes these games fun. Not to mention the speculation and different peoples interpretation of what they see.

You're right.

[ForgottenWarrior]

Because Solas is one lol

"We are gods, there aren't many of us left, we have to stay together"? No, i don't think it works that way.

[xJLxKing]

Solas does get corrupted by red lyrium in the alternate universe. Red lyrium is blight infected, so it stands to reason he and Flemeth are not above corruption. 

Except the Architect said, the Darkspawn search for a perfection they cannot have because they second they touch it, it's morphed into the Archdemon 

[leaguer of one]

Except the Architect said, the Darkspawn search for a perfection they cannot have because they second they touch it, it's morphed into the Archdemon 

What you said does not conflict with what he said.

[Mims]

Except the Architect said, the Darkspawn search for a perfection they cannot have because they second they touch it, it's morphed into the Archdemon

 
Not sure what you mean. The perfection the Darkspawn are searching for is the 'song' that is created by the old gods and echoed by the red lyirum. They are completely enthralled to it. 
 
If you mean why Solas doesn't turn into an archdemon- he's not a dragon, or one of the elven gods that might have a link to an old god. He's potentially the only elven god left who is not dead or uncorrupted. If he did get corrupted by the blight, I assume he would react as the other elven gods did. Presuming, of course, they were infected by the blight.
 
This is the codex entry that many people have taken to mean Andruil was touched by the blight. If it is the blight, he would likely behave as Andruil did. Go batshit crazy.

[Hair Serious Business]

I saw this once while looking some pics lol So here is your explanation:

[Vicious]

probably

 

Because he not so subtly implies to Blackwall that lack of archdemons may have no effect at all in stopping a blight.

 

 

There is evidence of this. Dumat still answers prayers etc. has weird idols to him that eminate palpable dread (there was one in da2 when hunting corypheus that would give you an item, and there's one in DA:I in the western pass named "the thing in the dark" hell there could be one in da:o and i just don't remember.) and he's been dead for like a milennia.

 

 

as a side note he's also been referenced by name in every single dragon age game, despite, again, being dead for over a milennia.

[midnight tea]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't practically everybody angry at Wardens after hearing their plan? Even Blackwall - a huge Grey Warden fanboy - thinks that what they're trying to accomplish is insane.

STILL, we do know that Solas knows more - we just don't really know what he knows or who he really is. However what we *do* know is that he thinks that Wardens are an ignorant bunch that toys with powers they don't really understand and he compares their actions to magisters traveling to the Golden City, thinking that they'd find ultimate power there and unwittingly unleashing Blight on the world.

This might suggest that Grey Wardens do more a disservice than service to the world they supposedly protect - I mean: what if killing all Old Gods will actually bring an end to the world rather than release from blight? It's a possibility too.

We only really have enough information to safely assume that Old Gods are beings similar to Mythal, who is likely either an elven god or being thought as one. According to Flemeth (in case we pick world state in which Morrighan has an Old God child) claims that Urthremiel is 'a being once though lost' and it has been 'snatched away from jaws of darkness'. What it means is - again - an unknown=_=

[KaiserShep]

This might suggest that Grey Wardens do more a disservice than service to the world they supposedly protect - I mean: what if killing all Old Gods will actually bring an end to the world rather than release from blight? It's a possibility too.

 

It would be great if there was something specific though, because the only alternative that anyone is aware of to preemptively destroying the Old Gods is waiting for the darkspawn to inevitably corrupt the remainder, and then slay them when they're leading the invasion topside, which is guaranteed to cost quite a lot of lives already.

[Mirth]

Flemeth and Solas both have the souls of old gods in them. Mythal and Fen. They aren't pure "God's", so blighted beings touching them would not corrupt them. They are human and elven too.

[Kieran G.]

Er what? They were planning to storm the deep roads with a demon army in a last gambit to kill the old gods. The plan is stupid solas problem is that none of them question the soundness of the plan they just think MUST STOP/KILL BLIGHT/OLD GODS NO MATTER WHAT. 

 

Which is the kind of thinking he hates and plus they have no idea of the location of the old gods the guy that knew is dead. Oh solas hints that the taint/blight etc is not something you can essentially sledgehammer to bits which the wardens were trying to do. 

 

even though I allied with them I can understand why he was mad at them. 

Actually yes the Grey Wardens know the location of the Old Gods, they just would have to cut through thousands of darkspawn to ever reach it. and that is why they wanted to build an army.

[DanteYoda]

So does Flemmeth and Solas get it on... that would be sweet..

[Sjofn]

...and it involves plucking perfectly normal spirits from the Fade and making them demons to boot.

 

If you say, "Plus the whole demon thing, am i rite?" he says, basically, "Who gives a crap about that, demons were just a tool." Which is ... weird, considering his usual view on spirits and demons being people too and such.

[katerinafm]

Not only he is one but I'm guessing he wants to save them like Morrigan and Flemeth instead of killing them.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

"There's nothing in the lore that would connect tevinter old gods to elven pantheon"

yeah, i know... i'm just paraphrasing Solas.. but that's an interesting choice of words, don't you think?

[Heimdall]

I still think that the Old Gods are the Forgotten Ones, the rivals of the Elven Pantheon rather than the Elven Gods themselves.

According to Dalish legend, a dubious source I know, Solas was accepted as kin by both.

[Antergaton]

Wow, people and their weird theories. The reason he doesn't want Grey Warden's to carry out their plan is because what they are doing is wrong, binding demons to what? Go into the deep roads for weeks on end to find and kill a sleeping Old God before darkspawn find them? The idea is ridiculous even if it would work. "The ends do not justify the means."

 

The reason I think is because unlike the Darkspawn, the sleeping Old Gods are not corrupted UNTIL the darkspawn corrupt them. They are innocent as any human who get the taint, except a human will die from it. An Old God keeps their life but not their mind. They are basically helpless in their prisons until the Darkspawn arrive. Oddly enough, the Grey Wardens finding them and killing them may save the Old Gods from their anguish.

 

This said, I will add my wild theory to the mix. The reason Solas cares more about spirits and not elves is because he (like all Old Gods and elven gods, no they are not the same) is a spirit made flesh.

[midnight tea]

Um, from dialogue and banter I'd say that the idea is that all living (sentient?) creatures are likely spirits made flesh - or at least something like it.

 

Why do you think Solas confronts the Inquisitor and asks if the Anchor changed his/her mind, morals or... spirit? Or why the romanced Solas claims that Inquisitor's has a spirit that is 'rare and marvelous'?

 

Therefore I don't think that the answer is *that* easy.

[Robert Trevelyan]

It's all based on conjecture, but the popular theory is that The Old Gods of Tevinter are actually the Elven Gods, who have become corrupted after being locked away in The Void by Fen'harel.

 

If you have played through to the end of the game you will know why that last statement is important.

 

If you read the codex entry for Andruil, Goddess of the Hunt, it is said that she went hunting in The Void and it changed her into something monstrous which the other Gods feared. Mythal had to defeat her, and took away her knowledge of how to reach The Void.

 

With the Elven Gods warring with each other it is speculated that Fen'harel locked them away (all barring the murdered Mythal) in The Void, possibly by transporting the emtire of Arlathan with them, in the belief that The Elvehen would thrive without them. They did not, as we know.

 

After time locked away in The Void it is speculated that they became changed into the twisted dragon like form of Archdemons and other creatures, and that Arlathan became blackened. Many believe that this is what The Black City at the centre of The Fade truly is, and also why nobody since the ancient Magisters of Tevinter have been able to get there.

 

The Gods called out to the Magisters, asking to be freed, feeding them lies. And they answered. But when the Magisters pierced the Veil something went wrong. They weren't all released. The Void poisoned the magisters, twisting them into Darkspawn and the First Blight began.

 

I think it is unlikely that any of this is what Fen'harel truly intended to pass, but the reason that Solas hates te Wardens is because whenever they kill and Archdemon they are actually killing another Elven God.

[Aravasia]

There is a suspicious timeline where Andraste is born right after the first Blight, leaving possible speculation of her being an OGB. Combine with this the codex entry of her having only daughters, which sounds strangely familiar to another God-vessel we know. I believe it is possible that Flemeth and Morrigan may be descendents of Andraste, Flemeth having received the soul through her earlier ancestors, making Mythal the same being as Dumat. Not to mention there is a Mythal mosiac in the Temple of Sacred Ashes in the final fight. So, if Mythal truly is Dumat, then it would be likely that the rest of the Pantheon corresponds to the the Old Gods as well, hence why Solas might be a little peeved. 

[TheLastArchivist]

One mustn't forget the wardens were hearing the calling...when you think you're about to die, you tend to do crazy and stupid ****.

 

Like having wild sex with random strangers without condoms or sticking fireworks in your ass to see if it explodes with you along.

[Antergaton]

Um, from dialogue and banter I'd say that the idea is that all living (sentient?) creatures are likely spirits made flesh - or at least something like it.

 

Why do you think Solas confronts the Inquisitor and asks if the Anchor changed his/her mind, morals or... spirit? Or why the romanced Solas claims that Inquisitor's has a spirit that is 'rare and marvelous'?

 

Therefore I don't think that the answer is *that* easy.

 

Okay, different meaning. Based on the idea that The Maker first created spirits in his image then the general populace of Thedas also in his image as well, then all people are 'spirits'. 

 

I literally mean the idea that at one point Solas and his ilk were in the fade looking (with jealousy) at man/elf kind and their free will and is either a spirit who force themselves through the fade or a spirit who has possessed an elf and changed them (like Anders was changed when Justice inhabited him).

 

There is more than one use for the word 'Spirit', someone's spirit does not mean a manifestation of a ghost like entity, Solas is the latter.

[Antergaton]

There is a suspicious timeline where Andraste is born right after the first Blight, leaving possible speculation of her being an OGB. Combine with this the codex entry of her having only daughters, which sounds strangely familiar to another God-vessel we know. I believe it is possible that Flemeth and Morrigan may be descendents of Andraste, Flemeth having received the soul through her earlier ancestors, making Mythal the same being as Dumat. Not to mention there is a Mythal mosiac in the Temple of Sacred Ashes in the final fight. So, if Mythal truly is Dumat, then it would be likely that the rest of the Pantheon corresponds to the the Old Gods as well, hence why Solas might be a little peeved. 

 

That's a good theory except for the main issue with Grey Wardens. The only way to kill an Archdemon is as a Grey Warden kill it, 2 souls in one body kills them both. The only way they'd know this is if it happened the first time.

 

I'm ignoring the idea that you are also claiming that Mythal wanted humans to breach the Golden City/Black city for whatever reason and also came up with the entire idea of The Maker...

[Innsmouth Dweller]

There is a suspicious timeline where Andraste is born right after the first Blight, leaving possible speculation of her being an OGB. Combine with this the codex entry of her having only daughters, which sounds strangely familiar to another God-vessel we know. I believe it is possible that Flemeth and Morrigan may be descendents of Andraste, Flemeth having received the soul through her earlier ancestors, making Mythal the same being as Dumat. Not to mention there is a Mythal mosiac in the Temple of Sacred Ashes in the final fight. So, if Mythal truly is Dumat, then it would be likely that the rest of the Pantheon corresponds to the the Old Gods as well, hence why Solas might be a little peeved. 

one of astrarium puzzles actually led me to believe Mythal is Dumat, well.. it's all just speculation and hearsay. but it fits nicely. and why certain BLIGHTED, yet devout magister (who went mad because he was not able to serve his gods), was given an ancient artifact (according to Dorian/Solas banter, tevinter mages knew of those orbs and Dorian was surprised to learn it's elven).

not sure about the Andraste part tho, never paid much attention to the Chantry fairy tales

 

additionally i think there was a codex entry of an elven god (not the Keeper tale, but something from the Mythal's temple, iirc), punished by others for taking the forbidden form (dragon) in front of people - when i find it, i'll update the post

 

it fits, i think.. until BW twists it again in the next game