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[Mims]

I don't personally think Solas is a spirit- although he could be some other form of spirit like creature that we don't know much about. He says to Cole that he is not one, and throughout the game you can see that he idealizes spirits for their 'purity' of purpose. They can forget their mistakes, they can move on and forgive. He wants to be like a spirit.

 

But he can't. He keeps making mistakes, and he does not have their focus. Even when he tries to throw aside his pride [which is the meaning of his name], he still acts arrogant and haughty. In that regard, he is very 'mortal'.  

[Robert Trevelyan]

it's all just speculation and hearsay. but it fits nicely. and why certain BLIGHTED, yet devout magister (who went mad because he was not able to serve his gods), was given an ancient artifact (according to Dorian/Solas banter, tevinter mages knew of those orbs and Dorian was surprised to learn it's elven).

 

Well, two thoughts on that. Firstly that the Magisters of Old may have been led to the Orbs by the Old Gods - whom they did not know were Elven until after they opened the door to Black City.

 

But also secondly, as Solas tells you on multiple occasions, he 'does not know how Corypheus survived opening The Breach'. Which would suggest very strongly to me that he had not intended for him to. That was an oversight.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

Well, two thoughts on that. Firstly that the Magisters of Old may have been led to the Orbs by the Old Gods - whom they did not know were Elven until after they opened the door to Black City.

 

But also secondly, as Solas tells you on multiple occasions, he 'does not know how Corypheus survived opening The Breach'. Which would suggest very strongly to me that he had not intended for him to. That was an oversight.

i don't think activating the orb created the Breach. Cory did that - intentionally (well, he wanted to do enter the Fade) or not (Anchor-spell-thing misfired when Inquisitor picked up the orb). and I don't think activating orb would destroy the person doing it, otherwise Dorian wouldn't boast about this thing being tevinter, maybe he would've said it's some kind of dangerous doomsday device or something :3

 

but hey, i'm just guessing here

 

EDIT:

the first part does make sense actually... but it was given, not found. unless Flemeth has no idea what happened/she's playing stupid to confuse gamers

[Bayonet Hipshot]

For the simple reason that no one actually knows if killing all the Old Gods would solve anything. It could have the opposite effect and make the situation worse.

 

Darkspawn toil in the Deep Roads, digging and searching Old Gods to awaken and turn into Archdemons. They are drawn by the singing. What happens when there is no singing ? We know what happens, Darkspawn go mad. That was what happened to The Mother in awakening. They would storm the surface and slaughter everything and kidnap women to breed with since there is no music to guide them to a singular purpose. Before one points out that you can kill off Darkspawn, they always come back. They are numerous in number and for practical purposes one can even assume them to be infinite. 

 

In fact, I would posit the idea that the notion that once we kill off all the Old Gods, there would be utopia to be a bullshite myth. It is a lot more complicated than that. Which is why I also think sparing the Architect is a good idea since if you want to kill off the Old Gods, you need an alternative life path for Darkspawn since they do not do anything but seek the Old Gods. Making them sentient might create a situation where one can actually kill off Old Gods without possible ramifications. Yes, his plans are barbaric but he has been refining his goals over time. 

 

Fundamentally however, Solas is the type of character who does not believe in doing something without purpose. He hates YOLO and actions done via lack of thinking. Grey Wardens to him do this as they try to just kill off the Old Gods without trying to understand them or trying to understand the ramifications of just killing Old Gods who are not Archdemons. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Well, two thoughts on that. Firstly that the Magisters of Old may have been led to the Orbs by the Old Gods - whom they did not know were Elven until after they opened the door to Black City.

 

But also secondly, as Solas tells you on multiple occasions, he 'does not know how Corypheus survived opening The Breach'. Which would suggest very strongly to me that he had not intended for him to. That was an oversight.

 

I think the Old Gods are dead. What we have is their carcass and a remnant of their soul. They were killed off and imprisoned underground by ancient Elves, in all likelihood.

 

Corypheus himself said that the Old Gods never answered their claims and prayers. That the Old Gods never actually talked to them. Do the calls "Dumat, I beseech you, if you exist..." ring any bell. 

[Ranadiel Marius]

There is a suspicious timeline where Andraste is born right after the first Blight, leaving possible speculation of her being an OGB. Combine with this the codex entry of her having only daughters, which sounds strangely familiar to another God-vessel we know. I believe it is possible that Flemeth and Morrigan may be descendents of Andraste, Flemeth having received the soul through her earlier ancestors, making Mythal the same being as Dumat. Not to mention there is a Mythal mosiac in the Temple of Sacred Ashes in the final fight. So, if Mythal truly is Dumat, then it would be likely that the rest of the Pantheon corresponds to the the Old Gods as well, hence why Solas might be a little peeved.

Problem with the theory, the Andraste thing says her descendents are all female. Morrigan's child is a son (if she has one, even if not the OGB) which means that if the legend is true then Flemeth's bloodline is not Andraste's bloodline. Have seen some suggest Lel might be descended from Andraste, but that is going off on a tangent.

[Antergaton]

Darkspawn toil in the Deep Roads, digging and searching Old Gods to awaken and turn into Archdemons. They are drawn by the singing. What happens when there is no singing ? We know what happens, Darkspawn go mad. That was what happened to The Mother in awakening. They would storm the surface and slaughter everything and kidnap women to breed with since there is no music to guide them to a singular purpose. Before one points out that you can kill off Darkspawn, they always come back. They are numerous in number and for practical purposes one can even assume them to be infinite. 

 

This is easily the best reason we've had yet. Solas might just think that doing something like this may cause issues instead of letting things play their course.

 

 

I think the Old Gods are dead. What we have is their carcass and a remnant of their soul. They were killed off and imprisoned underground by ancient Elves, in all likelihood.

 

Corypheus himself said that the Old Gods never answered their claims and prayers. That the Old Gods never actually talked to them. Do the calls "Dumat, I beseech you, if you exist..." ring any bell. 

 

The Old Gods do not seem to be gods in the manner of answering prayers gods. Just gods as in those who are higher than man. Although why he says 'if' always confused me, he may not know Dumat was killed at the end of the first Blight but he should know they exist as he was apparently talked into trying to get to the Golden City but the Old Gods.

[gombie]

how do you know the old gods and elven gods have no relation/is not the same thing?

 

They both have something to do with dragons, look at the elven shrine its a humanoid with dragon wings/mask

 

Old gods = dragons

 

elven gods = dragon priests?

[In Exile]

I hear the Astrarium codex entries drop clues of a connection. I dont have game up now or I'd reference.

They suggest Tevinter adopted elven constellations and replaced those gods with their own. People take that as a thematic suggestion they also took the elven goods.

My own theory is that whatever Solas did to the "gods" trapped them in their dragon forms (see Flemeth and later Morrigan turning into one) and they reached out to the Imperium rather than the elves to find a way to free themselves. Hence the first breach which went awry.

[In Exile]

That's a good theory except for the main issue with Grey Wardens. The only way to kill an Archdemon is as a Grey Warden kill it, 2 souls in one body kills them both. The only way they'd know this is if it happened the first time.

I'm ignoring the idea that you are also claiming that Mythal wanted humans to breach the Golden City/Black city for whatever reason and also came up with the entire idea of The Maker...

Two souls in one body thing is Riordan's GW conjecture but we have evidence that is false. Corypheus makes a soul ride ****** the entire time he takes over a GW and he's fine. Similarly (though one might contest they are souls) demons coexist with souls in one body.

And most importantly the OGB is 2 souls in one body. Unless you think Kieran is missing a soul at the end of DAO.

[In Exile]

i don't think activating the orb created the Breach. Cory did that - intentionally (well, he wanted to do enter the Fade) or not (Anchor-spell-thing misfired when Inquisitor picked up the orb). and I don't think activating orb would destroy the person doing it, otherwise Dorian wouldn't boast about this thing being tevinter, maybe he would've said it's some kind of dangerous doomsday device or something :3

but hey, i'm just guessing here

EDIT:
the first part does make sense actually... but it was given, not found. unless Flemeth has no idea what happened/she's playing stupid to confuse gamers

It actually seems like the Inquisitor did that. The explosion and the breach. Everything gets screwy when you pick up the anchor.

[OriginalTibs]

I blame the writers. When they reveal Something big, they want us to be surprised. But with no lead up or hints to the suprise, some people might feel a bit cheated due to a lack of info.

So they give us clues so we aren't completely left in the dark. Only problem is they make these clue vague as hell.

Adds replay value. The clues coalesce into coherence once you are looking for them.

[Cha0sEff3ct]

I forget how one actually gets corrupted with the Blight. I thought it was just being attacked like a werewolf can turn you into a werewolf with a scratch only it takes a little more bodily damage like in the Elven Origin in DA:O. I think that's why they passed the Warden ritual with no problem since they already had it in them. Alexius's son suffers from the Blight because his caravan got attacked by Darkspawn, So If Solas gets attacked severely by Darkspawn would he start another Blight?

[In Exile]

I forget how one actually gets corrupted with the Blight. I thought it was just being attacked like a werewolf can turn you into a werewolf with a scratch only it takes a little more bodily damage like in the Elven Origin in DA:O. I think that's why they passed the Warden ritual with no problem since they already had it in them. Alexius's son suffers from the Blight because his caravan got attacked by Darkspawn, So If Solas gets attacked severely by Darkspawn would he start another Blight?

You need to ingest darkspawn blood. The mirror taints you because it basically throws the taint at you but that's unique.

[xJLxKing]

I think the Old Gods are dead. What we have is their carcass and a remnant of their soul. They were killed off and imprisoned underground by ancient Elves, in all likelihood.

 

Corypheus himself said that the Old Gods never answered their claims and prayers. That the Old Gods never actually talked to them. Do the calls "Dumat, I beseech you, if you exist..." ring any bell. 

By the time Cory prays to Dumat in Inquisition, Dumat has long since died. Also, why would the Old God even if they were real try to help the guy who has been mocking them the entire time? Acting like he is a god by making a fake looking ArchDemon to portray how he rules over the Old Gods and how higher he truly is

 

 

 

Also, to anyone saying

 

Solas is a Elven God and so he must be mad at the Grey Warden for killing his own kind (since the theory is Old Gods = Elven Gods)

No! That is a possibility, or he could be a possibility that it could be 1,000 other things

[Heimdall]

Two souls in one body thing is Riordan's GW conjecture but we have evidence that is false. Corypheus makes a soul ride ****** the entire time he takes over a GW and he's fine. Similarly (though one might contest they are souls) demons coexist with souls in one body.

And most importantly the OGB is 2 souls in one body. Unless you think Kieran is missing a soul at the end of DAO.

I think they have it half right. According to Flemeth, a soul cannot be forced on another. Perhaps it's the Archdemon's attempt to force its soul on the Grey Warden, rather than a welcoming Darkspawn vessel, that destroys both. Demons similarly need to be let in (Though that seems to be much murkier territory), which they can accomplish through manipulation or outright torture.

Corypheus is able to control Grey Wardens in a way Archdemons don't seem to be able to, which might explain his ability to take their bodies.

[Cha0sEff3ct]

You need to ingest darkspawn blood. The mirror taints you because it basically throws the taint at you but that's unique.

 

Well that's only in the Warden ritual. 

 

Felix contracted the blight from being attacked. Also the villages of Crestwood were quarantined by the Mayor in the lower part of town because they had the blight. I doubt they all ingested darkspawn blood. Unless all the fighting cause blood to splatter around and into some of their mouths. lol

 

Not sure about the mirror. I thought Tamlen was the only one that went in and touched the mirror and went through while the Hero of Fereldan got overcome by Darkspawn in his absence.

[In Exile]

Well that's only in the Warden ritual.

Felix contracted the blight from being attacked. Also the villages of Crestwood were quarantined by the Mayor in the lower part of town because they had the blight. I doubt they all ingested darkspawn blood. Unless all the fighting cause blood to splatter around and into some of their mouths. lol

Not sure about the mirror. I thought Tamlen was the only one that went in and touched the mirror and went through while the Hero of Fereldan got overcome by Darkspawn in his absence.

I say "ingest" but it's really a blood borne infection. A weapon tainted is enough. Look at Wesley. He got the taint from a cut, presumably because then weapon wasn't clean.

The Crestwood thing is partly ignorance. The blight kills living things by exposure but it doesn't necessarily taint them. I think the mayor confused the effect of the taint - the thing that makes it a blight - with people actually getting tainted.

But Bioware also can't keep this straight so it might be some writers on staff think its more virulent.

[MACharlie1]

how do you know the old gods and elven gods have no relation/is not the same thing?

 

They both have something to do with dragons, look at the elven shrine its a humanoid with dragon wings/mask

 

Old gods = dragons

 

elven gods = dragon priests?

They'd have to be more then just priests evidently as Flemeth/Mythal has the ability to transform into a dragon. And it's an ability that is of Mythal hence why Morrigan is able to do it after drinking from the Well.

 

As far as Solas is concerned...like the Elven Pantheon...he is most likely simply a very powerful mage who still has his immortality. Not a God. Not a spirit. Not even the wisp of one like Flemeth and Mythal. 

[BountyhunterGER]

Sorry if someone said it before (too lazy to read right now)

but because of the post credit scene where he absorbs flemeths god soul (or urthimels)

it seems like he wants them for some reason.

And if the wardens just go murdering every old god he might not be able to collect their souls.

[Gaz83]

Solas thinks that murder without a purpose or plan is a bad idea.

 

I'll be sure to pass that information on to the mages that summoned his spirit friend.

 

...  once I've finished scraping them off the grass. . 

[Elsariel]

I'll be sure to pass that information on to the mages that summoned his spirit friend.

... once I've finished scraping them off the grass. .

I'm sure he thought those murders were for a purpose. It was vengeance.

[In Exile]

I'll be sure to pass that information on to the mages that summoned his spirit friend.

... once I've finished scraping them off the grass. .

To him that does have a purpose: justice. He's a huge hypocrite though.

[Face of Evil]

Common theory is that there is a connection between the Old Gods and the Elven Pantheon/Forgotten Ones. AKA the ones he locked away and wants to release. 

 

Thing is, Solas outright says that nothing connects the Old Gods and the elves. He could be lying, but why bother?

[Cha0sEff3ct]

I say "ingest" but it's really a blood borne infection. A weapon tainted is enough. Look at Wesley. He got the taint from a cut, presumably because then weapon wasn't clean.

The Crestwood thing is partly ignorance. The blight kills living things by exposure but it doesn't necessarily taint them. I think the mayor confused the effect of the taint - the thing that makes it a blight - with people actually getting tainted.

But Bioware also can't keep this straight so it might be some writers on staff think its more virulent.

Don't the Wardens directly infect themselves by drinking Darkspawn blood. I could understand unable to survive because of extreme injuries from Darkspawn. But for someone like Felix, couldn't he be a Warden. Is there something extra in the ritual like a mgic component that I forgot?