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[Antergaton]

He only got the dragon recently, since it's been corrupted by Red Lyrium, and that stuff hasn't been seen on the surface before DA 2. He basically made his own Archdemon to say to the world "I'm not beneath Dumat anymore, Dumat's beneath ME!"

 

My mind has gone blank but I thought they mentioned in the game (or well Morrigan did after drinking from the well) that Coryface is tied to his dragon, part of him in it in which is why he can be reborn as such. So kill the dragon and he loses that ability (it worked). I'm not sure why it would only be temporary if that was the case. I also don't remember them saying his dragon is corrupted by red lyrium.

 

Anyway, then you are saying he has the ability to always be reborn, yet gave up a small opportunity of it backfiring and people being able to kill him just to have a dragon? I knew he was arrogant but stupid as well? It makes more sense that he had the dragon already, has done for 1000 years which is why he (and Architect) are still alive. His dragon just remained asleep or in stasis because without Cory, it's just a dragon.

 

My point is, he could have done it using ancient long lost magic, a way to preserve life in a 2 beings so one cannot die without the other but both can be killed if killed in a short period. This could be the same for the Elven Gods, they lived on because of a similar magic. The sleeping Old Gods are the dragons of the Elven gods, but when they are corrupted they lose their focus and swarm the Darkspawn instead. A Grey Warden killing them cancels the magic out because usually the soul passes to another soulless darkspawn instead of a soul filled Grey Warden. So when an Archdemon is killed, one of Solas precious friends dies too.

 

... basically killing the Old Gods is killing the rest of the Elven gods, there are only 2 Old Gods left, and we know of only 2 elven gods able to roam the world.

 

 

... I know what I'm on about, honest.

[KaiserShep]

There's a fourth option: Solas thinks that killing someone without understanding their role and purpose is idiotic. He's very big on knowledge and seeking it out. He always disapproved of a kind of recklessness when you don't think things through. That's just IMO his regret over what he did when he imprisoned his compatriots.

I think his line is literally all he means: killing all the OGs might not stop the blight. It might make things worse. Doing this and risking so much without any idea about the payoff is moronic.

 

But there is an idea about the payoff, being the removal of the singular entity that can command the entire darkspawn horde above ground. Even if they began to flood to the surface as a result of the lack of any Old Gods to call to them, they'd at least be a far less organized force. Facing a disorganized mass of darkspawn is preferable to facing a tightly knit legion of monsters that do not need to sleep, never get tired, and are led by a monster that is massively destructive by itself. Seems to me that the principle behind the plan is a good one. I for one would wholeheartedly support the eradication of the Old Gods, unless someone can devise a plan to remove the darkspawn threat entirely, thereby making such a plan unnecessary.

 

Besides, even if someone found merit to the idea of preserving old magics and the sort, fat lot of good that does if the darkspawn corrupt them and make whatever Wardens are around to kill them anyway.

 

I don't really care at all about Solas' reasoning. I have no doubt that it has something to do with his whole trickster god alter ego, but since he gives objections with no alternate solutions, he can stuff it.

[Zarathiel]

My mind has gone blank but I thought they mentioned in the game (or well Morrigan did after drinking from the well) that Coryface is tied to his dragon, part of him in it in which is why he can be reborn as such. So kill the dragon and he loses that ability (it worked). I'm not sure why it would only be temporary if that was the case. I also don't remember them saying his dragon is corrupted by red lyrium.

 

Anyway, then you are saying he has the ability to always be reborn, yet gave up a small opportunity of it backfiring and people being able to kill him just to have a dragon? I knew he was arrogant but stupid as well? It makes more sense that he had the dragon already, has done for 1000 years which is why he (and Architect) are still alive. His dragon just remained asleep or in stasis because without Cory, it's just a dragon.

 

My point is, he could have done it using ancient long lost magic, a way to preserve life in a 2 beings so one cannot die without the other but both can be killed if killed in a short period. This could be the same for the Elven Gods, they lived on because of a similar magic. The sleeping Old Gods are the dragons of the Elven gods, but when they are corrupted they lose their focus and swarm the Darkspawn instead. A Grey Warden killing them cancels the magic out because usually the soul passes to another soulless darkspawn instead of a soul filled Grey Warden. So when an Archdemon is killed, one of Solas precious friends dies too.

 

... basically killing the Old Gods is killing the rest of the Elven gods, there are only 2 Old Gods left, and we know of only 2 elven gods able to roam the world.

 

 

... I know what I'm on about, honest.

 

The Inquisitor/Morrigan says that he invested part of himself in the dragon, not that he's tied to it. Since dragons were sacred in Tevinter, binding a dragon to himself like that before he woke up would have been heresy, and he's the High Priest of Dumat. He doesn't lose his faith until after he wakes up from Hawke releasing him.. Plus, I don't think a normal high dragon (read: not an Old/Elven God) could live that long. I'm sure they're long lived, but 1200 years seems very unlikely. Finally, we know it's been corrupted by red lyrium because it's name is "Red Lyrium Dragon" and it has a red lyrium breath weapon. And we know Tevinter didn't use red lyrium. This is all circumstantial evidence, but it all points to it being corrupted and invested with Corypheus' being after his release from the prison.

 

As for it being a stupid idea.... it is. There is no logical reason for him to do something like that. The writers needed him to have a weakness, or else he wouldn't die and the story wouldn't end, so they had him do something incredibly moronic.

[Il Divo]

But there is an idea about the payoff, being the removal of the singular entity that can command the entire darkspawn horde above ground. Even if they began to flood to the surface as a result of the lack of any Old Gods to call to them, they'd at least be a far less organized force. Facing a disorganized mass of darkspawn is preferable to facing a tightly knit legion of monsters that do not need to sleep, never get tired, and are led by a monster that is massively destructive by itself. Seems to me that the principle behind the plan is a good one. I for one would wholeheartedly support the eradication of the Old Gods, unless someone can devise a plan to remove the darkspawn threat entirely, thereby making such a plan unnecessary.

 

Besides, even if someone found merit to the idea of preserving old magics and the sort, fat lot of good that does if the darkspawn corrupt them and make whatever Wardens are around to kill them anyway.

 

I don't really care at all about Solas' reasoning. I have no doubt that it has something to do with his whole trickster god alter ego, but since he gives objections with no alternate solutions, he can stuff it.

 

Still, I was under the impression that the only reason the Darkspawn are a manageable threat is that they (mostly) retreat to the Deep Roads following the end of the Blight. Let's say that's true that they would attack as a mindless horde once all the Archdemons are dead.

 

It's the same basic concept as the Warcraft III Undead. Each death fuels their army, except this time there's nothing to make them withdraw to the Deep Roads, since they're not after any more Old Gods. The Darkspawn alone were able to annihilate the Dwarven Empire, to the point they have never been able to recover. I'm not sure having them above ground in bulk will make it easier for us to face. 

[MiyuEmi]

I will agree with others here and say, finish the game before you try to get an answer to this question or you'll spoil things for yourself.  Aside from what will be obvious reasons once you've finished the main story quest, Solas is against  things like senseless murder, enslavement and foolish decisions.  What the Wardens are doing is foolish because there isn't any proof they'd accomplish what they wanted.  Dark Spawn still exist outside of a blight and archdemon and the DA series has shown us that they're not all completely mindless.  That they're capable of planning etc.  Someone would take the reins on that...I'm going off on a tangent here!  There is a reason Solas thinks it's a stupid decision and that's all you should care about until you finish the game.

[KaiserShep]

Still, I was under the impression that the only reason the Darkspawn are a manageable threat is that they (mostly) retreat to the Deep Roads following the end of the Blight. Let's say that's true that they would attack as a mindless horde once all the Archdemons are dead.

 

It's the same basic concept as the Warcraft III Undead. Each death fuels their army, except this time there's nothing to make them withdraw to the Deep Roads, since they're not after any more Old Gods. The Darkspawn alone were able to annihilate the Dwarven Empire, to the point they have never been able to recover. I'm not sure having them above ground in bulk will make it easier for us to face. 

And this is what makes me curious about whether or not the writers actually have some kind of resolution to the darkspawn threat in mind, because unless some new solution presents itself, it's just going to be two more Blights, then whatever the darkspawn may do after the Old Gods are dead. This could be brushed aside by having the franchise come to a close with these possibilities being left to the ages in the future, but that's not a very satisfying proposal.

[Antergaton]

And this is what makes me curious about whether or not the writers actually have some kind of resolution to the darkspawn threat in mind, because unless some new solution presents itself, it's just going to be two more Blights, then whatever the darkspawn may do after the Old Gods are dead. This could be brushed aside by having the franchise come to a close with these possibilities being left to the ages in the future, but that's not a very satisfying proposal.

 

Would it end? They could easily jump in time like Elder Scrolls with very little consequence.... okay so it won't be called 'Dragon Age' anymore but after the Dragon Age story is concluded they could start again, with a new Blight.

[MiyuEmi]

@Antergaton: They kind of abandoned the Blight after DA:O.  It's like it was an introduction to Thedas and one of it's major problems, and we're now dealing with what Thedas is like outside of a blight and how it's generally been crippled by long wars and the inability to work together.  There are too many reasons people have to be divided, Mage, Templar, Elf, Human, Dwarf, Qunari.  I suppose the blight is the only time in which everyone was willing to work on the same side.

[Fireheart]

I have it in my head that the darkspawn could never truly be wiped out because they continue to exist as a reminder of humanity's sins - that they are the physical embodiment (personification?) of humanity's sins, so for as long as there is sin; pride, greed, lust, etc, there will always be darkspawn. Of course, this is all made up by me, but I think it's plausible enough. Anyway, I wonder about whether there are only 7 Old Gods. I started my second playthrough yesterday and I was in the Hinterlands and did an Astrarium and got this codex:

 

Draconis. 

Called "High Dragon" in common parlance, the constellation Draconis is always depicted by a dragon in flight. Recently, it has come into question whether this was the case in the ancient Imperium. Most Tevinter dragon imagery was reserved for the Old Gods, so why would they dedicate a constellation to dragons in general when specific dragons were held in such reverence? This speculation is fueled by older drawings showing Draconis as more serpentine in appearance, perhaps depicting a sea creature or an unknown eighth Old God that was stricken from historical record.

 

When I saw this, it made me wonder if there were more than 7 Old Gods at one point, and if there were, do they still count as being Old Gods? It is said that the Maker imprisoned the Old Gods because the humans worshipped them, instead of worshipping him. But if there were more at one point, would the Maker still consider those old/false Old Gods as being guilty of demanding false worship from the humans and have imprisoned them as well? Draconis could actually have just been a mere sea creature, but still, I feel like there was no reason for Bioware to add that last line in. It's like they're trying to fuel speculations, or maybe even foreshadowing? I've seen people say that what the Wardens did was stupid because there are only two Blights left to go, so they just need to hold out a bit longer, but how do we know that for sure? We still don't know what happened to the other Magisters. We killed Corypheus, may or may not have killed the Architect. If the others are still alive, who knows what they could be planning. They could be a mix of Corypheus and Architect, and gain control of an actual Archdemon and both are immortal, want world domination/destruction, etc etc. I'm really itching to see where the series goes from here.

Also, I wonder if the Warden will make any appearance in future games. If Solas really does have some plan in mind to restore elves to their lost glory, then what if the Warden was an elf? They would be a pretty big and influential person and could have some hand in stopping Solas.

 

Well, these are just my crackpot theories. Hope you guys enjoyed listening to me ramble.

[Dayze]

You know thinking about it; one of the things that gets mentioned in regards to the architect is that if you let him awaken all the dark spawn potentially that just makes them fantastically worse.

 

But the Dark Spawn are only "unawakened" because they hear the calling of the old gods......so if you kill all of them doesn't that mean no more calling and "all" dark spawn become awakened?

[Precursor Meta]

But there is an idea about the payoff, being the removal of the singular entity that can command the entire darkspawn horde above ground. Even if they began to flood to the surface as a result of the lack of any Old Gods to call to them, they'd at least be a far less organized force. Facing a disorganized mass of darkspawn is preferable to facing a tightly knit legion of monsters that do not need to sleep, never get tired, and are led by a monster that is massively destructive by itself. Seems to me that the principle behind the plan is a good one. I for one would wholeheartedly support the eradication of the Old Gods, unless someone can devise a plan to remove the darkspawn threat entirely, thereby making such a plan unnecessary.
 
Besides, even if someone found merit to the idea of preserving old magics and the sort, fat lot of good that does if the darkspawn corrupt them and make whatever Wardens are around to kill them anyway.
 
I don't really care at all about Solas' reasoning. I have no doubt that it has something to do with his whole trickster god alter ego, but since he gives objections with no alternate solutions, he can stuff it.

Exactly.

[Robert Trevelyan]

i don't think activating the orb created the Breach. Cory did that - intentionally (well, he wanted to do enter the Fade) or not (Anchor-spell-thing misfired when Inquisitor picked up the orb). and I don't think activating orb would destroy the person doing it, otherwise Dorian wouldn't boast about this thing being tevinter, maybe he would've said it's some kind of dangerous doomsday device or something :3

 

but hey, i'm just guessing here

 

EDIT:

the first part does make sense actually... but it was given, not found. unless Flemeth has no idea what happened/she's playing stupid to confuse gamers

 

 

I absolutely think that the Orb created the breach. It is mentioned that energy had been building up in the orb for centuries and Solas states that he is surprised that its release did not kill Corypheus.

 

We know that Fen'harel gave the orb to Corypheus. Why? Because he tried to use him to open a door to the Black City. If we work on the assumption that the Black City exists within the very area of the Fade that Fen'harel originally locked the Elven Gods away in, then this makes perfect sense. Corypheus opens a gateway and is destroyed in the process.

 

Only Corypheus survived.

 

Solas hadn't bargained on that.

 

Why Corypheus and not do it himself? Well, we don't know if Solas is just Fen'harel's current mortal body. If he'd done it himself *he* might have died in the process. Or at least his body would have.

 

 

I think the Old Gods are dead. What we have is their carcass and a remnant of their soul. They were killed off and imprisoned underground by ancient Elves, in all likelihood.

 

Corypheus himself said that the Old Gods never answered their claims and prayers. That the Old Gods never actually talked to them. Do the calls "Dumat, I beseech you, if you exist..." ring any bell. 

 

 

I don't belueve that the Elven Gods were killed. I just believe that they were tricked into travelling to a place they could not escape from, and changed by their environment (just as was described in the Andruil codex). I firmly believe that the Elven Gods (or at least what they had been twisted into becoming) cared nothing for being worshiped by the Magisters. They just used them in order to open a doorway to the waking world.

 

This to me would explain any disconnect that Corypheus felt for them. He travelled to the Void expecting reward from his Old Gods. Instead he found what was most likely to be Arlathan, blackened by centuries drifting in The Void, empty barring a few monstrous Gods who were more interested in escaping than even speaking to the Magisters.

 

As for calling out to Dumat? Yes, Corypheus does this in DA2 and in Inquisition. But Dumat is long Dead. The monstrous form of which ever Elven God was twisted into becoming Dumat died as an Archdemon in the First Blight.

[ComfortablyNumb]

And most importantly the OGB is 2 souls in one body. Unless you think Kieran is missing a soul at the end of DAO.

 

The way Morrigan explains it in DAO, Dark Ritual works because the baby has no soul yet. That's why it is able to absorb the soul of the Archdemon. 

 

And in DAI, after meeting with Flemeth - if Kieran in OGB - Morrigan is also worried how removing OG soul will affect him. Because - unless Kieran somehow "developed" another one alongside OG's - he's now souless. 

 

That's how I understand it.

 

Of course, this opens up whole new bag of problems and is topic for different conversation

 

 

Hell Corypheus didn't even recognize him at all, and he's an ancient darkspawn magister supposedly very powerful and knowledgable about stuff.

 

Solas can definitely wipe out memories - as evidenced by post-ending conversation with Cole.I wouldn't be surprised if he used this on Cory. 

[Kantr]

 

The way Morrigan explains it in DAO, Dark Ritual works because the baby has no soul yet. That's why it is able to absorb the soul of the Archdemon. 

 

And in DAI, after meeting with Flemeth - if Kieran in OGB - Morrigan is also worried how removing OG soul will affect him. Because - unless Kieran somehow "developed" another one alongside OG's - he's now souless. 

 

That's how I understand it.

 

Of course, this opens up whole new bag of problems and is topic for different conversation

 

 

 

Solas can definitely wipe out memories - as evidenced by post-ending conversation with Cole.I wouldn't be surprised if he used this on Cory. 

 

Kieran is obviously influenced by Urthemiels soul, lyrium gives him nightmares and he can sense magic. But he doesnt die after the soul is removed implying he has his own.

[Fireheart]

So... Kieran is just walking around with no soul? How does that work?  Wouldn't that make him a darkspawn too? I played the ending of DAO a few days ago, and Morrigan said that the child would be born with the taint to act as a beacon for the Old God's soul. But now there's no soul. So Kieran is a darkspawn. Or just a Grey Warden. Or a ghoul.

 

And if he has his own soul in addition to Urthemiel's, so he has/had two souls... wtf, Dragon Age is going super fantasy now.   I don't understand at all. Hope Bioware releases story DLC quick, they just keep bringing up such confusing questions, and no answers.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Well aside from the speculated connection between Old Gods and Forgotten Ones, the mere premise of killing the archdemons to nullify the threat of the Darkspawn forever was not strictly logical to begin with. It is entirely possible that the Darkspawn will end up worse without the compulsion to unearth Old Gods, not better. In fact, that seemed to be the Architect's key to "awakening" them (severing this connection).

[Heimdall]

So... Kieran is just walking around with no soul? How does that work?  Wouldn't that make him a darkspawn too? I played the ending of DAO a few days ago, and Morrigan said that the child would be born with the taint to act as a beacon for the Old God's soul. But now there's no soul. So Kieran is a darkspawn. Or just a Grey Warden. Or a ghoul.
 
And if he has his own soul in addition to Urthemiel's, so he has/had two souls... wtf, Dragon Age is going super fantasy now.   I don't understand at all. Hope Bioware releases story DLC quick, they just keep bringing up such confusing questions, and no answers.

Its not so hard. Kieran didn't have a soul when he was just a handful of cells, or barely had one, so there was nothing to resist when Urthemiel moved in. But Kieran does have his own soul, or developed one, he's just never been without Urthemiel.

[Heimdall]

 Well aside from the speculated connection between Old Gods and Forgotten Ones, the mere premise of killing the archdemons to nullify the threat of the Darkspawn forever was not strictly logical to begin with. It is entirely possible that the Darkspawn will end up worse without the compulsion to unearth Old Gods, not better. In fact, that seemed to be the Architect's key to "awakening" them (severing this connection).

Bear in mind that the Old Gods are also the only thing that can unify and give purpose to the Darkspawn as a whole. Even if all darkspawn Awaken, that just frees them to fight amongst themselves (As Awakening shows).

[In Exile]

@Antergaton: They kind of abandoned the Blight after DA:O.  It's like it was an introduction to Thedas and one of it's major problems, and we're now dealing with what Thedas is like outside of a blight and how it's generally been crippled by long wars and the inability to work together.  There are too many reasons people have to be divided, Mage, Templar, Elf, Human, Dwarf, Qunari.  I suppose the blight is the only time in which everyone was willing to work on the same side.

 

But aside from Ferelden the Blight hasn't threatened Thedas in centuries. This is why everyone acts like the Blight is ancient history. 

[Lewie]

Even though the very first magister who created the blight is now in the fade. Maybe.

 

He didn't die.

 

I always wondered who the guardian was at the temple of Mythal. If you drink from the well you can summon it once only. I couldn't help thinking it was Flemeth. If she helped in the way I think she did she would have been weakened, and knew it. 

 

If you don't drink it is Morrigan.

 

It seems to fit. They are trying to preserve something. If they are or can be dragons and are against the blight, and Solas is too? I will go for that.

 

Edit: Temple? That should be shrine, yes. I make so many mistakes lately, sorry about that.

[CronoDragoon]

 Well aside from the speculated connection between Old Gods and Forgotten Ones, the mere premise of killing the archdemons to nullify the threat of the Darkspawn forever was not strictly logical to begin with. It is entirely possible that the Darkspawn will end up worse without the compulsion to unearth Old Gods, not better. In fact, that seemed to be the Architect's key to "awakening" them (severing this connection).

 

I take that as the purpose of the banter between Solas and Blackwall where Solas slowly runs Blackwall through the logic of the Grey Wardens and killing Archdemons to end Blights. The way I interpret Solas's tone is that he is very dubious of the logic, and considering he'd be in a position to know, I think the Grey Wardens and Thedas at large are in for some hard revelations in the future.

[MACharlie1]

The Inquisitor/Morrigan says that he invested part of himself in the dragon, not that he's tied to it. Since dragons were sacred in Tevinter, binding a dragon to himself like that before he woke up would have been heresy, and he's the High Priest of Dumat. He doesn't lose his faith until after he wakes up from Hawke releasing him.. Plus, I don't think a normal high dragon (read: not an Old/Elven God) could live that long. I'm sure they're long lived, but 1200 years seems very unlikely. Finally, we know it's been corrupted by red lyrium because it's name is "Red Lyrium Dragon" and it has a red lyrium breath weapon. And we know Tevinter didn't use red lyrium. This is all circumstantial evidence, but it all points to it being corrupted and invested with Corypheus' being after his release from the prison.

As for it being a stupid idea.... it is. There is no logical reason for him to do something like that. The writers needed him to have a weakness, or else he wouldn't die and the story wouldn't end, so they had him do something incredibly moronic.

Truth be told, Corypehus also wasn't corrupted with Red Lyrium when he was imprisoned too. Now hes sporting red lyrium growths all over.

Whose to say that after Corypheus' imprisonment, his Dragon didn't go to sleep and Cory woke it up and corrupted it?

[elrofrost]

Or Corypheus is exactly what he appears; a dusty old mage trying to take over the world. That has been used (abused) by Fen'Harel/Solas. How he got the orb or the dragon doesn't really matter. What does matter is that all of it, everything, even the blight, can be laid at Solas' feet.

 

Solas/Fen'Harel trapped the elven gods. Now personally, I think he did this to help mortals. Maybe he was tired of seeing the "gods"  interfere in the mortal world. In other words, he was doing us all a favor. Or so he reasoned.

 

Of course, there was a downside. Dumat, was probably a corrupted elven god, who used Corypheus' lust for power to trick him into attempting to break into the Golden/Black City. The Golden/Black City being where Fen'Harel trapped the elven gods.

Whether or not the "Maker" got involved doesn't matter. I doubt the Maker is a "god" anyway, but more of a force of nature. Or creation. Similar to what Sithis is in the Elder Scrolls pantheon. Anyway, the Golden City was not a place for mortals, Corypheus enters, and the city turns black and all within is corrupted. 

 

So maybe Corypheus learns the truth? Or at least, some of it? Maybe he's just tied of being jerked around. But in the end, he calls out, one last time for Dumat. And gets nothing. Which is sad really.

 

If my IQ knew this (maybe drinking from the well gives this historical knowledge?) he'd do everything within his power to destroy Solas/Fen'Harel. There's a lot of blood on Solas' hands.

 

And that's the question I have; does the IQ find out the truth? It's clear by the ending something is going on with Solas. I doubt he killed Mythal.

And the Wardens killing the old gods, (corrupted elven gods, that FenHarel, though is actions caused) just adds to the guilt that Solas/Fen'Harel already feels. It's his fault. All of it.

 I think Solas is the real threat.

I suppose that's for a DLC.

[Medhia_Nox]

When Solas says killing the OGs might be bad... I'd love to be able to really ask: "Based off what evidence you crackpot?"

 

It's not like killing the FIRST FIVE turned out bad...

 

Solas:  Yes, but you might kill them... umm... early.

Inquisitor:  Okay, and?
Solas:  It'll be early and a Blight won't happen.

Inquisitor:  Blights are bad, like REALLY bad... umm.. Darkspawn aren't real "thinkers".

Solas:  Yes, but... umm.. during Blights we have darkspawn all in one place... so umm.. BOOM!

Inquisitor:  I know you've been napping... but wiping the darkspawn out has happened exactly zero times since they're appearance... so, ya don't think leaderless, splintered darkspawn are better than a cohesive army?

Solas:  LOOK!  Skyhold!

 

And even WITH ancient Tevinter Magisters running amok... we'd have to deal with them ANYWAY regardless of whether or not we deal with them while also dealing with Archdaemons... or if we kill the OGs and there are no more Archdaemons. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Solas simply sees Blights as opportunities for the elves to gain power...

[elrofrost]

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Solas simply sees Blights as opportunities for the elves to gain power...

I don't think Solas cares that much for the "modern" elves. Especially after hearing (on youtube - the Solas romance) the revelation that their tattoos are really slave markings. Slaves that other elves had. I mean, you think he would've mention that, oh, say, a thousand years ago to his people.