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[KBomb]

My thoughts exactly...
Fans like that are the main reasons why most celebrities have armed bodyguards.

It's a little... jarring to say the least. Reminds me of my friend's girlfriend. I got her into DA and not long ago she called me ranting and cursing Josaphine because she overheard her speaking with a messenger about getting Cullen a gift. She literally asked me if there was a way to kill Josephine...for buying a friend a gift.

It made me think of all the gifts I have given to her boyfriend. Don't know if I want to do that anymore.

[Dseaver]

 

There, do you feel better?

[line_genrou]

Tell me about it. I'm still angry at the Alistair romance. I didn't want him to have a baby by another woman, especially since I couldn't give him one since we are both Grey Wardens, but what other choice did I have, if I wanted us both to live? And really didn't want to give Morrigan the satisfaction of getting the OGS. What really pisses me off is, I found a video on Youtube yesterday that has cut content of Alistair and Loghain together in the party at one point. fucccc. Why didn't they leave that in so I could throw Loghain at the Archdemon, ugh.

 

Edit: I loved the Solas romance too, though. I initially was romancing him but then went for Cullen, then when I saw the post-credits scene, I was like 'damn, I should've stuck with Solas'. So yeah, second playthrough, I went with him and loved it so much more than the Cullen romance. Idk why, it was just so much sweeter. The Haven Fade scene, the one after you do his personal quest, the one on the balcony, all perfect. I wasn't even sad or angry when he broke up with me, in fact I laughed when it happened because of the whole 'you have slave tattoos' (and doesn't he tell you I love you in that scene as well? I forgot). He just picked such a random and dopey moment. Also, I know 100% that it is not over between us, I know Bioware has more coming, so I can't be sad because I know what the future holds... Least I hope I do.

 

What? Where does it say that grey wardens can't have kids?

[X Equestris]

What? Where does it say that grey wardens can't have kids?

Alistair makes a mention of it, and I believe Gaider confirmed that two wardens can't have children together. I'll see if I can find a link.

[Nykara]

If the Cullen romance had of ended like the Solas one did I am sure I would have been rather upset! I was glad that for once, one of my characters actually got a relationship they could continue until the end of time. Bioware does write good romances that have the feels. They just need to write more that don't end tragically.

[ShadowWeaver2012]

OP, I'm sorry that the Solas romance end was a trigger for you. To be honest, I was really bummed afterwards myself. I was mostly mad though, not sad.  Everybody take it differently. I don't think I can romance Solas again even though he might be the best romance, because its just such a let down. I prefer Cullen now. Not as good as Solas, but more happy times at least.

[Exalus]

If the Cullen romance had of ended like the Solas one did I am sure I would have been rather upset! I was glad that for once, one of my characters actually got a relationship they could continue until the end of time. Bioware does write good romances that have the feels. They just need to write more that don't end tragically.

Maybe he could of died at the end due to withdrawals, imagine the pitchfork rioting on bsn. 

[Fast Jimmy]

EDIT: A nice little snippet from the same interview: "[Solas is] pretty straightforward, honestly. Just your average elven apostate who voluntarily joins the Inquisition in the middle of the mage rebellion to lend his expertise with the Fade." Patrick Weekes.

 

Oh, PWeekes. You ole' troll, you.

[Red Panda]

It's a little... jarring to say the least. Reminds me of my friend's girlfriend. I got her into DA and not long ago she called me ranting and cursing Josaphine because she overheard her speaking with a messenger about getting Cullen a gift. She literally asked me if there was a way to kill Josephine...for buying a friend a gift.

It made me think of all the gifts I have given to her boyfriend. Don't know if I want to do that anymore.

That seems entirely reasonable.

[hellbiter88]

Count Orlok hit it and quit it.

 

lmfao

[Hallation]

I'm not certain I should reply to this.  The responses are surprising to me.  I don't understand why people have such strong opinions about my feelings.  Maybe it was inappropriate to post them here, but I wasn't hoping for attention or pity.  This was intended for a specific writer, but I posted it on a general forum because I think it's invasive to contact devs directly.

Yes, as Mirth and Ajna noted, this hurt because it opened a real wound I thought had largely healed.  Someone I loved pushed me away in much the same way and for all the same reasons.  Either you've experienced that, or you haven't.  Unfortunately, it is possible to feel loss and grief in a way that affects you physically, and what I described was not an invention, affectation or exggeration.  The fact that few males seem to understand or imagine such feelings is part of what makes it hard to forget those who do.  


I am not delusional; I work in games, and I'm aware that Solas is a fabrication.  He is an amalgam of bones and animations and careful, illusory branching and (largely broken) posture states.  I'm certain QA bugged the collision on his left arm in the Winter Palace and someone else declared it Shippable.  My post was to say: it doesn't matter.  You built someone very real, familiar and arresting, that hurt me in an unexpected way.  I am startled and grateful.


This is editorial, but: would it better to be ashamed of these feelings and to hide them? Is that a sign of intelligence or wisdom?  It does not seem so, to me, but I am interested in your thoughts.

[ZipZap2000]

For me it was Tali swan diving off the cliff on Rannoch. 

 

Jack being tortured, I spent the whole game wondering where my bad baby was and then.....

[ashlover mark 2]

I'm not certain I should reply to this.  The responses are surprising to me.  I don't understand why people have such strong opinions about my feelings.  Maybe it was inappropriate to post them here, but I wasn't hoping for attention or pity.  This was intended for a specific writer, but I posted it on a general forum because I think it's invasive to contact devs directly.

Yes, as Mirth and Ajna noted, this hurt because it opened a real wound I thought had largely healed.  Someone I loved pushed me away in much the same way and for all the same reasons.  Either you've experienced that, or you haven't.  Unfortunately, it is possible to feel loss and grief in a way that affects you physically, and what I described was not an invention, affectation or exggeration.  The fact that few males seem to understand or imagine such feelings is part of what makes it hard to forget those who do.  


I am not delusional; I work in games, and I'm aware that Solas is a fabrication.  He is an amalgam of bones and animations and careful, illusory branching and (largely broken) posture states.  I'm certain QA bugged the collision on his left arm in the Winter Palace and someone else declared it Shippable.  My post was to say: it doesn't matter.  You built someone very real, familiar and arresting, that hurt me in an unexpected way.  I am startled and grateful.


This is editorial, but: would it better to be ashamed of these feelings and to hide them? Is that a sign of intelligence or wisdom?  It does not seem so, to me, but I am interested in your thoughts.

Hey,  if  I sounded like a jerk in my previous post I apologize. My favorite Bioware character is Ashley Williams, and if you've interacted with the Mass effect part of this fandom you'll probably understand why I'm bitter and jaded when it comes to fan favorite characters. Don't worry though, you'll be seeing Solas again soon in an upcoming DLC or at the latest DA4. He's very popular so you girls\guys might even get a happy ending.

[Orian Tabris]

Alistair makes a mention of it, and I believe Gaider confirmed that two wardens can't have children together. I'll see if I can find a link.

 

I found a forum conversation from the Dragon Age Wikia, and it has a link to a conversation that happened on this site, but I can't get the link to work properly. So I'll just post the passage I found there:

 

David Gaider wrote: A Grey Warden can have a child... just not with another Grey Warden. So in the case of Alistair being married to a female PC the only possible result is no heir (unless Alistair has a child with someone other than his wife, I suppose). Grey Wardens have a limited chance of conception with a non-Grey Warden, but it does happen... and the child is not tainted in any fashion.

 

Insofar as how long a Grey Warden could remain on the throne, it depends. The taint will make a Grey Warden age faster, so someone like Loghain isn't going to be able to stay a Grey Warden for very long as he's no young man. The "thirty years" quote is about the maximum, but the reality is that it depends on how often one is exposed to the corruption and sometimes just personal variance-- even so, for a monarch to stay on the throne upwards of thirty years is no mean feat. I don't really think that's the limiting factor when it comes to this sort of thing.

 

Demeira wrote: Well, there goes my fairy tale! I was hoping for a loophole somewhere that would make my fanfiction plausible. I had this all planned out that Alistair and Orlaine (my PC) would have twins because of some ancient Tevinter fertility charms given to them by some sorceress out of Orlais and somehow the act of having these children born of two Wardens would somehow give Alistair and Orlaine an additional 20 years and would somehow dilute the taint. And these twins would start bloodlines that would play into the next two Blights. Looks like that idea is scrapped...

 

David Gaider wrote: Well... just because it's never happened doesn't mean it never could, I suppose. There are always exceptions. So if you involve some mysterious Tevinter fertility charm... why not? Really I'm just talking about the fact that Grey Wardens never produce offspring together naturally. Unnaturally is an entirely different story.

 

I'll point out that Alistair does bring this up, and in fact breaks up with a female player because he feels it's his duty to bear children -- unless she convinces him that there are more important things, like being happy.

 

If being able to marry the man you love is insufficient because you must also bear his children in order for you to be happy, then sure. I guess you'll be unhappy -- barring some kind of unforeseen circumstance occuring.

 

And my second post was not a pat-pat on the poster's head to make her feel better... there are always ways that these sorts of rules can get circumvented. Alistair did not, after all, say to you "two Grey Wardens cannot have children, except for the extremely rare possibility of them recovering the Holy Elixir of Saradesh or somehow purging their blood of the taint through unknown sorts of blood magic... but normally? Not a chance."

 

As far as anyone (including Alistair) knows, under normal circumstances two Grey Wardens cannot have children with each other. I didn't mention unknown exceptions because they're unknown -- that should just be assumed. And that's just the way it is.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

 

There, do you feel better?

would have been better to make him tranquil

[Rannah]

OP, I'm sorry that the Solas romance end was a trigger for you. To be honest, I was really bummed afterwards myself. I was mostly mad though, not sad.  Everybody take it differently. I don't think I can romance Solas again even though he might be the best romance, because its just such a let down. I prefer Cullen now. Not as good as Solas, but more happy times at least.

 

Honestly, I felt somehow relieved after Solas dumped my Inquisitor. I had a strange feeling during every romance scene that something tragic will come. So I can not say I was totally shocked when it happened.

(Plus considering that Bioware usually breaks female gamer's heart in almost every game, there were no real surprises     )

[Paragonslustre]

I'm not certain I should reply to this.  The responses are surprising to me.  I don't understand why people have such strong opinions about my feelings.  Maybe it was inappropriate to post them here, but I wasn't hoping for attention or pity.  This was intended for a specific writer, but I posted it on a general forum because I think it's invasive to contact devs directly.

Yes, as Mirth and Ajna noted, this hurt because it opened a real wound I thought had largely healed.  Someone I loved pushed me away in much the same way and for all the same reasons.  Either you've experienced that, or you haven't.  Unfortunately, it is possible to feel loss and grief in a way that affects you physically, and what I described was not an invention, affectation or exggeration.  The fact that few males seem to understand or imagine such feelings is part of what makes it hard to forget those who do.  


I am not delusional; I work in games, and I'm aware that Solas is a fabrication.  He is an amalgam of bones and animations and careful, illusory branching and (largely broken) posture states.  I'm certain QA bugged the collision on his left arm in the Winter Palace and someone else declared it Shippable.  My post was to say: it doesn't matter.  You built someone very real, familiar and arresting, that hurt me in an unexpected way.  I am startled and grateful.


This is editorial, but: would it better to be ashamed of these feelings and to hide them? Is that a sign of intelligence or wisdom?  It does not seem so, to me, but I am interested in your thoughts.

 

No you shouldn't be ashamed of having empathy and relating to your character, especially if you have gone through something similar.  Unfortunately it makes you vulnerable on an open forum where other people are uncomfortable or don't understand what you might be feeling for whatever reason.  I hope you feel better OP. I know it's only a game but I won't play, ever, where I encourage Cullen to take lyrium whether I romance him or not.  That's not to say I feel criticism for other people who would, I just can't personally do it.  Daft maybe, but there it is 

[Paragonslustre]

If the Cullen romance had of ended like the Solas one did I am sure I would have been rather upset! I was glad that for once, one of my characters actually got a relationship they could continue until the end of time. Bioware does write good romances that have the feels. They just need to write more that don't end tragically.

I'm not convinced.

 

Spoiler

The end scene, Cullen says something like 'I don't know what happens now' and although your character seems unconcerned (or flippant) and replies 'neither do I', I still would have preferred something more tangible. It just reminds me of when Alistair finally gets you in the sack because he loves you oh so much, and then it's like, yeah but I don't know if I can commit to you.

 

Maybe I'm cynical but I hope we don't get shafted (no pun intended) by Cullen too.

[Ajna]

I'm not certain I should reply to this.  The responses are surprising to me.  I don't understand why people have such strong opinions about my feelings.  Maybe it was inappropriate to post them here, but I wasn't hoping for attention or pity.  This was intended for a specific writer, but I posted it on a general forum because I think it's invasive to contact devs directly.

Yes, as Mirth and Ajna noted, this hurt because it opened a real wound I thought had largely healed.  Someone I loved pushed me away in much the same way and for all the same reasons.  Either you've experienced that, or you haven't.  Unfortunately, it is possible to feel loss and grief in a way that affects you physically, and what I described was not an invention, affectation or exggeration.  The fact that few males seem to understand or imagine such feelings is part of what makes it hard to forget those who do.  


I am not delusional; I work in games, and I'm aware that Solas is a fabrication.  He is an amalgam of bones and animations and careful, illusory branching and (largely broken) posture states.  I'm certain QA bugged the collision on his left arm in the Winter Palace and someone else declared it Shippable.  My post was to say: it doesn't matter.  You built someone very real, familiar and arresting, that hurt me in an unexpected way.  I am startled and grateful.


This is editorial, but: would it better to be ashamed of these feelings and to hide them? Is that a sign of intelligence or wisdom?  It does not seem so, to me, but I am interested in your thoughts.

 

Halla, I'm gonna call you Halla because it's kinda cute.  You should head over to the Solas thread in the story section of the forum, you'll find a completely different and very understanding crowd .

[Shimmer_Gloom]

I second Anja. Do it! Do it!

[Faellen]

Definite lump in my throat over the Solas romance. So heartbreaking.

I don't get the "it's just a game" replies. It's not just a game, it's a story you're participating in. So it makes you feel stuff. Just like films can, or novels. Escapism, catharsis. Look them up.

I'm a sucker for tragic, star-crossed relationships in stories - saying that, I'm hoping for DLC where I'll get a happy ending.

[SnakeCode]

Definite lump in my throat over the Solas romance. So heartbreaking.

I don't get the "it's just a game" replies. It's not just a game, it's a story you're participating in. So it makes you feel stuff. Just like films can, or novels. Escapism, catharsis. Look them up.

I'm a sucker for tragic, star-crossed relationships in stories - saying that, I'm hoping for DLC where I'll get a happy ending.

That's true, games definitely can give you the feels just as any other medium can. Look at The Last of Us. It does it so well, and had me in bits more than once. Several times I was forced to shed a single tear of manliness. The end of Assassin's Creed: Black Flag was also very emotional.

 

Like films and books though, it has to be done well. The writing has to be great, the acting/voice acting has to be very good, and it needs to be well done in general. I feel Dragon Age fails at this (poor writing, mediocre voice acting etc) and thus it didn't grab me emotionally the way The Last of Us did. Of course this is all subjective and many do think it was done very well, and Bioware are generally lauded by both the fans and media for their writing (something i'll never understand.) So i'm not saying people like the OP are wrong, just that I personally didn't find it even close to heartbreaking.  

[Faellen]

That's true, games definitely can give you the feels just as any other medium can. Look at The Last of Us. It does it so well, and had me in bits more than once. Several times I was forced to shed a single tear of manliness. The end of Assassin's Creed: Black Flag was also very emotional.
 
Like films and books though, it has to be done well. The writing has to be great, the acting/voice acting has to be very good, and it needs to be well done in general. I feel Dragon Age fails at this (poor writing, mediocre voice acting etc) and thus it didn't grab me emotionally the way The Last of Us did. Of course this is all subjective and many do think it was done very well, and Bioware are generally lauded by both the fans and media for their writing (something i'll never understand.) So i'm not saying people like the OP are wrong, just that I personally didn't find it even close to heartbreaking.

I can definitely respect your opinion on that. It is indeed subjective; different games will affect us in different ways. Totally with you on The Last of Us and AC Black Flag's ending.
I personally loved Solas' writing, however, I think the DAI romances in general could've been fleshed out so much more. I didn't feel we got enough scenes at all. Despite this, yeah, I got feels.