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[Kulyok]

Okay, yes, the topic title sounded harsh. I'll try to explain, though.

 

I played through Dragon Age:Origins with a Warden who romanced Morrigan, loved her very much, and had a child with her through the Dark Ritual. After Morrigan disappeared, my Warden tried his best to find her, and when he finally did, they went into the mirror together, and raised Kieran as a family.

 

In short, Morrigan+my Warden = love, almost-marriage and baby Kieran in an Old God carriage.

 

If Leliana was a party member in Dragon Age:Origins, she knew about their relationship. She knew how important Morrigan was to the Warden. Also, we find out in Dragon Age: Inquisition that Leliana knows that Kieran is a special child. Presumably she knows that he's the Warden's child, i.e. she knows that Morrigan and the Warden had a baby.

 

Now. Halamshiral, the Winter Palace, Leliana is telling the Inquisitor about Morrigan. What does she tell the Inquisitor?

 

That Morrigan is a dangerous apostate, that she's manipulative, and she's charmed the members of the Empress' court as if by blood magic. 

 

The Inquisitor doesn't know who the Warden is. The Inquisitor is the head of an organization that has strong roots in the Chantry, and in many cases, the Inquisitor is either a devout Andrastian or tries to wear the title of the Herald of Andraste as befits one. 

 

Now, the Inquisitor's just been told(by a trusted advisor, no less) that there's possibly blood magic at work, a maleficar at the Orlesian court, a witch that is possibly manipulating the Empress' mind with blood magic and who's trying to kill the Empress.

 

Leliana, an adult bard and a spymaster, must have been very aware that she's signing Morrigan's death warrant with these words.

 

I understand the writers wanted to misdirect the player. I understand that Leliana and Morrigan rather disliked each other in the original game. I understand that Morrigan can defend herself. And, yes, it all ended well for Morrigan in the end. I understand that Leliana is the team's favorite and she can make missteps. Heck, I myself like her in DAI and make her the Divine. It's all plausible.

 

But, I, the-girl-behind-my-Warden, just watched as one of my Warden's best friends tried to execute my Warden's lover and mother of his child, and leave his kid an orphan in the Orlesian court. What the hell? Did the team even think how it would look? "Cold" doesn't even begin to cover it.

 

(disgusted noise)

[Rannik]

Never trust a zombie.

[AlexiaRevan]

Since when giving ones opinions is trying to execute ? did she act at all to get her killed ? Dont think so . 

 

And everyone does it . Cass think fiona and the mages are behind the divine death....doesnt mean she is saying 'Let kill them all!!' ...and so on...

[Kantr]

That's a very good point actually. It shows how dangerous her dislike of Morrigan is (as without Morrigan you can't save the world) the past 10 years have not softened her unlike Morrigan

[jellobell]

Yeah, I was side-eyeing Leliana for that line as well. My warden didn't romance Morrigan, but they were very close friends, as were my warden and Leliana. And yet it seemed like Leliana was trying to pit my Inquisitor and Morrigan against each other. It was odd and left a bad taste in my mouth.

[MisterJB]

Leliana hás gone crazy and she needs to be stopped.

[LobselVith8]

Since when giving ones opinions is trying to execute ? did she act at all to get her killed ? Dont think so .

And everyone does it . Cass think fiona and the mages are behind the divine death....doesnt mean she is saying 'Let kill them all!!' ...and so on...

I agree. Leliana didn't get along with Morrigan and expressed distrust, but her distrust isn't equivalent to advocating execution.

[jlb524]

Leliana's been a bad guuuurl.

[Ryriena]

It's seemed to me she was bidding my inquisitor to kill Morgian, since according to her she was using blood magic to sway the court. I bet you that she though this exact thing if you accepted the dark ritual and about the wardens relationship with Morgian. I mean she must know that our wardens loved her and clearly would bid anyone with death if they hurt her or their child by making him an orphan in the court. Those words are to some people are a death warrant if someone hasn't played DAO.

[Patchwork]

If Leliana wanted Morrigan dead she'd do something more effective than hint at blood magic to the Inquisitor. 

[Steelcan]

Leliana is just jealous the Warden had enough taste to leave her by the side of the road

[Al Foley]

Okay, yes, the topic title sounded harsh. I'll try to explain, though.

 

I played through Dragon Age:Origins with a Warden who romanced Morrigan, loved her very much, and had a child with her through the Dark Ritual. After Morrigan disappeared, my Warden tried his best to find her, and when he finally did, they went into the mirror together, and raised Kieran as a family.

 

In short, Morrigan+my Warden = love, almost-marriage and baby Kieran in an Old God carriage.

 

If Leliana was a party member in Dragon Age:Origins, she knew about their relationship. She knew how important Morrigan was to the Warden. Also, we find out in Dragon Age: Inquisition that Leliana knows that Kieran is a special child. Presumably she knows that he's the Warden's child, i.e. she knows that Morrigan and the Warden had a baby.

 

Now. Halamshiral, the Winter Palace, Leliana is telling the Inquisitor about Morrigan. What does she tell the Inquisitor?

 

That Morrigan is a dangerous apostate, that she's manipulative, and she's charmed the members of the Empress' court as if by blood magic. 

 

The Inquisitor doesn't know who the Warden is. The Inquisitor is the head of an organization that has strong roots in the Chantry, and in many cases, the Inquisitor is either a devout Andrastian or tries to wear the title of the Herald of Andraste as befits one. 

 

Now, the Inquisitor's just been told(by a trusted advisor, no less) that there's possibly blood magic at work, a maleficar at the Orlesian court, a witch that is possibly manipulating the Empress' mind with blood magic and who's trying to kill the Empress.

 

Leliana, an adult bard and a spymaster, must have been very aware that she's signing Morrigan's death warrant with these words.

 

I understand the writers wanted to misdirect the player. I understand that Leliana and Morrigan rather disliked each other in the original game. I understand that Morrigan can defend herself. And, yes, it all ended well for Morrigan in the end. I understand that Leliana is the team's favorite and she can make missteps. Heck, I myself like her in DAI and make her the Divine. It's all plausible.

 

But, I, the-girl-behind-my-Warden, just watched as one of my Warden's best friends tried to execute my Warden's lover and mother of his child, and leave his kid an orphan in the Orlesian court. What the hell? Did the team even think how it would look? "Cold" doesn't even begin to cover it.

 

(disgusted noise)

I am hard pressed to find a different interpretation of these events...but when you think about it, it does seem that way.  She was not trying to present the facts but she was trying to present her bias.  Though, on the flip side, I think neither she nor the Inquisitor would go out and kill someone while 'investigating' unless they had to.  

[X Equestris]

Leliana is just jealous the Warden had enough taste to leave her by the side of the road

Ouch.

[d-boy15]

Because she get suspicious at her formal acquaintance, that mean she want to kill that person? 

 

After 10 years in the middle of crisis, Morrigan coming out of nowhere in empress's court, hold her title as advisor. In the night where a plot to

assassinate an empress is conducted. What do you expected from a spymaster? "(Smile) Hi! Morrigan long time no see! Inqusitor, this is my

friend Morrigan. She is the apostate who raised by witch of the wilds, have a tons of forbidden magic knowledge but worry not she's fine."

 

I bet Cassandra would have tell the same thing as Liliana if she known Morrigan, perhaps even more.

[Basement Cat]

To be fair to Leliana, she never was close with Morrigan. The Morrigan she remembers is someone who constantly mocked her for her religious beliefs (even her more mainstream ones) and who told her things like 'love is a cancer' and 'love is death' if she, Morrigan, was in a relationship with the Warden. Morrigan always had a 'survival of the fittest' view and outright suggested leaving people to die on several occasions (Redcliffe and the Dalish most prominently.)

 

It's not hard to see why Leliana would be deeply suspicious of Morrigan's presence in the Imperial Court. Leliana knows nothing of the events of Witchhunt. She might not even be aware that Morrigan has a child.

 

So yes, she is presenting a biased view of Morrigan, but her suspicions are not unreasonable based on what she knows of the woman.

[AresKeith]

Leliana knows if she tries to hurt Morrigan the Warden:

 

[Ieldra]

@OP:
Leliana presents no evidence, so my Inquisitor would not be compelled to act without at least speaking to Morrigan. And then, she'd find a rather interesting woman who doesn't seem the type to even want to hold a court in thrall by blood magic.

 

I think you're overthinking this. I take Leliana's message as "be careful around her" rather than "kill her at the next opportunity", and that's rather appropriate and perfectly in-character.

[AtreiyaN7]

It only sounded to me as if Leliana was reporting on rumors about Morrigan that other people may have believed as far as the alleged use of blood magic on the court goes and about her being "dangerous." The other part about Morrigan being manipulative in the past is true and is based on her personal experience with Morrigan.

I believe that after talking to Leliana and asking her about Morrigan back at Skyhold much later on, she basically says that she's surprised by how much Morrigan has changed. Really, I agree with Ieldra - it was just a warning to be cautious.

[FlyingSquirrel]

Yeah, I didn't really see that as Leliana suggesting that Morrigan should be killed, just that the Inquisitor should be careful around her and not necessarily trust her. And she may be right - Morrigan does give off the impression of someone who may have more up her sleeve than she's saying at times, and neither my Warden nor my Inquisitor were willing to take her completely at her word.

 

What I did find odd was that the two of them had very little to say to each other when they were in a scene together. They may not have been friends, but they still went through a lot together, and you'd think their past experiences would color their interactions more. I don't think Leliana ever explicitly mentions the events of Witch Hunt despite their obvious significance - she may not have been there for that, but she ought to know something about what happened from the Warden.

[Hazegurl]

Leliana knows if she tries to hurt Morrigan the Warden:

 

"....again."  lol!

[Rekkampum]

I think Morrigan is a *expletive removed* = kill Morrigan and Kieran with fire! Dayum blood mages.

 

Doesn't quite add up to me.

 

I also think if Leliana wanted Morrigan and her son dead, she would've done so years ago. She is the GOAT that we know of as far as bards are concerned, is she not?

[Saphiron123]

THIS IS WHY WE NEED THE WARDEN BACK.

Seriously, the storytelling would be awesome. i mean my first game of inquisition included a warden who fought leliana at the urn of sacred ashes, and she's angry, and now she's divine.

Tense standoff between the warden and the divine in DA4? Hell yes.

[Andres Hendrix]

At the time, Leliana had no idea that the Warden went with Morrigan. At Haven Leliana tells the Inquisitor that she is very good friends with the Warden, and that she used to write him letters asking for advice, however the Warden stopped writing back. For all Leliana knows, Morrigan seduced the Warden to have the OGB, thus Morrigan used her 'best' friend. Leliana quickly changes her mind, after she sees how much the OGB and Warden have changed Morrigan. Morrigan changed in a way Leliana wanted to but could not, Lel picks up on this, and develops a soft spot for Morrigan. She shows a caring attitude towards her (you see this when the OGB runs through the mirror). Cullen even picks up on Lel's caring attitude towards Morrigan, he teases Leliana about it. I will add that Leliana at the time in question, did not know that Morrigan had a family, only that Morrigan was a possible threat. It's not like she told the Inquistor to kill Morrigan, she said to be warry of her.