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[Colonelkillabee]

Then you aren't even paying attention to the thread you're in, since no one 'turned this thread' into something it wasn't.

 

You know, you have the exact same potential as every other person on these boards, including the pro-Dalish crowd, to see a post that is eye-rollingly over the top absurdly obvious and not post in it.  You know what keeps a troll post on the front page?  Replies.  You know what happens if no one posts in it?  It disappears into the void of page 2 and beyond, unremembered and unmourned.

 

You'd think people would have figured something as basic as that out after over 30 years of message boards.  Yet look at this post.  SIX.  PAGES.  Over nothing.  The OP never could have done it without you.

 

But hey, you want to rush into every troll post on the BSN and give the OPs exactly the kind of attention they're looking for, you knock yourself out.

 

 

I was talking about other normal dalish threads... sorry but that was pretty obvious.

 

No duh a thread starting off bad can't be made bad. OP obviously is not a dalish fan.

 

As for the rest, because of this error in the first sentence, it doesn't apply, unless you want to say dalish supporters should just ignore people saying BS in their own threads. Which doesn't excuse the behavior and doesn't work as a defense or rebuttal.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

How else are pro and anti-dalish people supposed to show how much they hate each other?

who cares about the fan wars?

 

all we should care about is killing fictional characters

even more so if they are poorly written

 

other than some ranged defense and be able to be pretty

name some positives about the Dalish

 

 

Solivitus a human used Ironbark too, sure not as good as a MASTER OF ELVHEN CRAFTING.

But the fact Varathorn is so haughty that no shemlen could ever have the skill to use it is funny.

 

Wade a human used Ironbark better than Varathorn 

 

And then every single inquisitor can use Ironbark in masterwork crafting.

 

So one thing that make elves so special flies out the window.

 

How the hell are you going to have an elf basically say "We r the best at ironbark and the basically the only ones who can use it"

when you had a human in DAA school him

have sol in DA2 use it too

and have the inquisitor use it as well 

 

from the wiki:

 The Dalish elves appear to be the only people capable of effectively working with ironbark. Because of this, ironbark is seldom seen in the hands of humans.

 

Seems liek when human get their hands on Ironbark they do more imrpessive things with it than elves who have worked with it for centuries 

[AutumnWitch]

Dalish hating troglodytes...how refreshingly unoriginal. 

[TK514]

As for the rest, because of this error in the first sentence, it doesn't apply, unless you want to say dalish supporters should just ignore people saying BS in their own threads. Which doesn't excuse the behavior and doesn't work as a defense or rebuttal.

 

Actually, that is exactly what some of them have been doing.  The boards have an ignore function for a reason.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

No duh a thread starting off bad can't be made bad. OP obviously is not a dalish fan.

i have two dalish quizzes and ive played dalish in DAO and DAA numerous times

 

I'm actually on the more frustrated side of things because the Dalish are wasted potential and seeing that they are killed and genocided is really all that left for them

 

Bioware has given them shoddy writing forever and it's pretty sad. And they cannot retcon the elves.

In fact the reveal of the ancient elves even makes the dalish get pooped on more.

 

the reason i played dalish elf first play through was because i wanted to see what bioware could do with this.

 

And i accidentally got my clan killed because i had no idea what i was doing on the war table. 

 

seriously that how we fix the dalish? you accidentally pick the wrong Advisor and you wipe out your clan? 

plus even if you dont we never get to meet our keeper? or our clan? not even on a tiny map encounter?

 

I hate the dalish?

Inf act im  a huge dalish fan but ive become so ****** jaded that i would rather see the dalish extinct than retconed and i cannot imagine them being fixed because of how poor bioware's writing is. 

 

in fact part of the reason i hate sera is because she is anti dalish that that is almost all her character is.

childish magic hater elf hater. 

 

all i am is jaded and just waiting for bioware to finally put the dalish out of their misery since that would be easier than fixing them not that i have faith in bioware to fix them regardless 

[Colonelkillabee]

Actually, that is exactly what some of them have been doing.  The boards have an ignore function for a reason.

The point is they shouldn't have to. Trolling is not excusable.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

In top of which Merrill was my ****** favorite DA2 companion next to aveline and varric,

Fenris was a bit too broody for me but once i got to know him he was okay. 

 

i was hoping she would randomly sprout into existence at the words eluvian and [HISTORY AND LOST SECRETS OF THE ELVEN PEOPLE]well of sorrows.

i would have LOVE to see her drink from the well of sorrows especially since in most playthroughs she lives. 

 

Jaded jaded jaded

 

i have no faith in bioware being able to do Scythian with the dalish

might as well let them be chunks of xp 

[LOLandStuff]

Dalish threads don't belong to the pro-Dalish and neither should they monopolize it just because it's about Dalish.

You can't go one reply without having one of them fawning all over the elves and immediately get overprotective if you point out a flaw.

They'll go around that flaw and wall of text it to oblivion and paint the elves in a positive light.

 

One good example is the fall of Arlathan. Their posts goes something like this:

 

"The elves fought themselves. But in comes Tevinter, making every elf a slave. Crushing their hopes and dreams. Stealing their knowledge and technology. and doing what any bad Tevinter does...very bad horrible stuff."

 

Heaven forbid someone question what happened during Arlathan without mentioning the evils of Tevinter.

 

Some even blame Bioware of bad writting because ancient elves aren't what they were expecting.

 

 

I'm actually a fan of the Dalish but I'm not going to worship the ground they step on and kiss their feet.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

Generally, elfy threads turn into an opportunity for pro and anti-Dalish people to show how much they hate each other.

so is this the reason bioware doenst care about elves?

because they will be a topic of argument regardless? 

[TK514]

Oh now, there you go, the voice of reason. There's no reason not to have a little fun with it.

I apologize to the chuckleheads if I hurt their feelings by calling them chuckleheads. The funny thing is, they all know exactly who they are.

 

Meh, I recognize that I'm a Don Quixote here.  If we're going to be hating each other, even in jest, sometimes I'd just prefer we were civilized about it.  But, to use my own argument against me, after over 30 years of message boards, I should know better.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

Dalish threads don't belong to the pro-Dalish and neither should they monopolize it just because it's about Dalish.

You can't go one reply without having one of them fawning all over the elves and immediately get overprotective if you point out a flaw.

They'll go around that flaw and wall of text it to oblivion and paint the elves in a positive light.

 

One good example is the fall of Arlathan. Their posts goes something like this:

 

"The elves fought themselves. But in comes Tevinter, making every elf a slave. Crushing their hopes and dreams. Stealing their knowledge and technology. and doing what any bad Tevinter does...very bad horrible stuff."

 

Heaven forbid someone question what happened during Arlathan without mentioning the evils of Tevinter.

 

Some even blame Bioware of bad writting because ancient elves aren't what they were expecting.

 

 

I'm actually a fan of the Dalish but I'm not going to worship the ground they step on and kiss their feet.

not my point

the ancient elves only made the dalish look worse especially wiht all the inconstant writing surrounding the dalish 

 

if you played awakening and gave wade the ironbark you know how full of crap varathorn is when he says shems cant use ironbark 

[LOLandStuff]

Generally speaking.

[KaiserShep]

not my point

the ancient elves only made the dalish look worse especially wiht all the inconstant writing surrounding the dalish 

 

if you played awakening and gave wade the ironbark you know how full of crap varathorn is when he says shems cant use ironbark 

 

Yeah, Master Ilen was pushing that crap about how the Dalish are the only ones that know how to work ironbark too. I'm on to you tat faces with your attempt to corner the ironbark crafting market.

[Colonelkillabee]

No one is trying to monopolize anything, the problem is that no reasonable discussion can happen with people just being difficult for difficulty sake alone.

Now, don't get me wrong, I too have joked about stuff like this before. Likely from being used to the TES boards where it is commonplace and usually the jokes don't disrupt the threads. Difference is, a lot of these people are actually serious and arguing for this. Which I found out the hard way. And I had to put my foot in my mouth.

No one owns a thread, no, but don't get mad when someone calls you out for being an immature child. Without elves in the story, Dragon age would be so so dull.

[Dabrikishaw]

Ironically, only a Dalish Inquisitor has the chance to kill a Dalish clan. Everyone can kill the Ancient Elves in the Temple of Mythal.

[LOLandStuff]

Maybe without Dalish, because people don't care that much about elves.

Nobody argues when there's talk about the City Elves. Many sympathize with them. But the moment you mention Dalish, things go bad because some can't deal with anyone criticizing them.

[TK514]

 Without elves in the story, Dragon age would be so so dull.

 

Couldn't disagree more.  The elves don't provide anything to the story that couldn't be subbed in by another human culture.  The Chasind or the Avvar could easily have been put in place of the Dalish and City Elves without missing a beat.

[Drasanil]

so is this the reason bioware doenst care about elves?

because they will be a topic of argument regardless? 

 

Considering the elves have been fleshed out with each subsequent addition to the series, its kind of hard to say Bioware doesn't care about them. [Doubly so when you compare them to the ignored dwarves, or the lulzy trainwreck of the Qunari as of DA2/DAI.] You might not like the direction Bioware chose, but that's a different matter. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Couldn't disagree more. The elves don't provide anything to the story that couldn't be subbed in by another human culture. The Chasind or the Avvar could easily have been put in place of the Dalish and City Elves without missing a beat.

Except it's not them, it's the elves. Their history, their culture. All of that makes them who they are. You can't just say oh any race would fit if we take away everything that makes them them. No duh anyone could fit then....

[TK514]

Except it's not them, it's the elves. There history, their culture. All of that makes them who they are. You can't just say oh any race would fit if we take away everything that makes them them. No duh anyone could fit then....

 

Hmm, once proud culture that controlled massive swaths of the Thedas land mass, subjugated by ancient Tevinter until the coming of Andraste, then found their importance dwindling until they existed only on the very outskirts of lands they once ruled.  Their culture and religions outlawed by Andrastian nations due to their long held beliefs about gods who aren't the Maker and their non-Chantry approved treatment of mages, they only survive in the least hospitible of places because no one can be bothered to go after them.  When they do try to move into 'civilized' areas, they are derided, looked down on, and treated as almost sub-human savages.

 

No, I can't see any parallels between the outskirt human cultures and the elves.

[Colonelkillabee]

No you can't, because no race in thedas had the kind of civilization the elves once had, no matter how you trivialize it. Their roots can be found almost everywhere.

[TK514]

No you can't, because no race in thedas had the kind of civilization the elves once had, no matter how you trivialize it. Their roots can be found almost everywhere.

 

Dragon Age elves bring absolutely nothing to the setting that isn't paralleled by another culture also in the setting.  Perhaps the only thing they have going for them is a magical heritage, which is pretty much the least unique thing about them, and could easily have been farmed off on any of the other cultures.

 

And which may not even be unique in the Dragon Age setting, given that humans and Qunari both come from somewhere else.

[EmissaryofLies]

Generally, elfy threads turn into an opportunity for pro and anti-Dalish people to show how much they hate each other.

 

Pure honesty; well said. 

[Drasanil]

Dragon Age elves bring absolutely nothing to the setting that isn't paralleled by another culture also in the setting.  Perhaps the only thing they have going for them is a magical heritage, which is pretty much the least unique thing about them, and could easily have been farmed off on any of the other cultures.

 

Same can be said about anything in the setting really. Why have Tevtiner, they're just Arlathan 2.0 with humans. Why have dwarves, you could just make an underground country of templars! Why have Qunari and their pretend hivemind when we already have darkspawn with their real hivemind, just give them some blackpowder. 

[Jestina]

The Elven people in this game are just humans with anime ears.