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[Qunquistador]

 In this scenario, it wouldn't do Josies reputation any good. Besides, aren't the nobles all about heirs? This would make her relationship with female or non-human Inquisitors even more complicated. 

It's not that simple. We see quite a few examples of childless nobles like Florianne and Gaspard as well as nobles who have lovers and no spouses.  We can cement a loveless noble marriage on the WT or sabotage it to allow lovers to be together in peace. Every noble doesn't have to produce an heir, as a rule. That's Dorian's deal and a major reason for that is because he's the only child of House Pavus and, of course, Tevinter culture is far different from Orlais' or Ferelden's.

 

Also, consider Empress Celene who's been ruler of Orlais for, what, 20 years? If producing an heir was of utmost importance, then don't you think the most powerful woman in Orlais would have been forcibly married over a decade ago and already have children? If quiz gets rid of Gaspard and reunites Celene with Briala, everyone knows she's in a relationship with an elven woman and it is what it is. No one's going to force her to marry or oust her because she doesn't.

 

But back to Josephine. she explains that the person who'll lead her house is the one who proves themselves to be most competent. One of her siblings' future children could easily become head of the house if she produces no heirs. Also, Josephine's never worried about her reputation during the engagement arc. She's worried about her family's reputation because they essentially established a contract and would be disgraced if said contract isn't properly dissolved. 

 

As far as the social implication of getting involved with an elf or qunari, that is mentioned in the game (though not nearly as much as it should be in general). One guy says Josephine's committing social suicide and the other guy's like lulz no she just made the ultimate Andrastian power move dating the Maker's chosen.

 

Also, how realistic is it that half of Thedas is accepting a dwarf, qunari or elf as the Herald of Andraste?

 

To say that the romance doesn't work, because half of it isn't one gender/race and realistically that wouldn't be accepted by a noble family, is pretty much the same as saying the game only works with a human noble as the PC, because realistically Thedas would never accept a Dalish elf, a criminal dwarf or a Qunari merc as the Maker's chosen.

Modifié par Qunquistador, 31 janvier 2015 - 08:19 .

[HuldraDancer]

Okay seriously.

 

Even if Josie has a crush on him. She never acts on it. 

 

So what exactly is wrong with romancing her? They don't have a relationship even if you let him live and romance someone else.

 

I'm kind of surprised the Blackwall thing is what bothers them since like you said they don't really act on it as far as I can tell, I would have thought that Josephine being engaged would have bothered them since I assume it still happens regardless if she's romanced or not unlike the Blackwall thing which can be avoided all together by never taking the right combo of members to trigger that banter that starts it.

[Qunquistador]

Judging by the way much of Thedas reacts to Wardens, even just ten years after a Blight...I'd say you are on the money.

Blights end, at least for a time, political skirmishes, military conflict, corruption, and noble maneuvering is forever. Given that the Inquisition is a much a political institution as it is military, the Inquisitor can stay relevant in ways the Grey Wardens never could (out of sight, out of mind and all that). Their specialty is singular. The Inquisition's specialty is diplomacy, peacekeeping, rebuilding infrastructure, and dealing with corruption in organizations like the Grey Wardens/Templars. Having a greater repertoire means a greater presence, which means continued relevance.  Add to that, it's partially the warden's traditions and secrecy that alienates them from the public. The Inquisition has much better PR from the get go. 

 

 

But theoretically the Inquisitor's relevance ultimately depends on how you play(ed) the game.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

The duel was the worst part of the romance IMO, made it obvious that Josephine was supposed to romance a male human noble since it only makes sense that way 

[dragonflight288]

Good point, but the way I see it, after the defeat of Corypheus, many will be quick to forget all about the Inquisition's heroics - "but what have you done for us lately" and all that. I imagine that in a couple of years, the elven Herald will be a "knife-eared savage" and the Qunari one an "oxman brute" again for the general population. In this scenario, it wouldn't do Josies reputation any good. Besides, aren't the nobles all about heirs? This would make her relationship with female or non-human Inquisitors even more complicated. Of course, marrying a respectable noble lord and keeping the Quizzy as a lover would be an option, but I don't see Josie ever being okay with that. I agree that this should have been addressed in the game.

 

I find this slightly hard to happen because the Inquisitor is so widely seen by all the people to be the next great prophet for the Maker, again, regardless of origin. 

[dragonflight288]

The duel was the worst part of the romance IMO, made it obvious that Josephine was supposed to romance a male human noble since it only makes sense that way 

 

Which is why it's also so funny to watch a carta dwarf in heavy legion of the dead armor fighting a gentleman's duel. 

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Which is why it's also so funny to watch a carta dwarf in heavy legion of the dead armor fighting a gentleman's duel.

Seemed more dumb then funny with how out of place it was with a female or non human PC

[dragonflight288]

Seemed more dumb then funny with how out of place it was with a female or non human PC

 

*shrug* Different strokes for different folks. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The duel was the worst part of the romance IMO, made it obvious that Josephine was supposed to romance a male human noble since it only makes sense that way 

She was always intended to be available to both genders of all races. 

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

She was always intended to be available to both genders of all races.

Im not so sure about that tbh, her romance plays out like a M/F relationship & the duel doesn't really make sense for anyone other then the male human noble considering how marriage works in Thedas, i honestly thought Cassandra acted more like the bi choice then Josephine

[Ryzaki]

Pretty sure Josie was always the bi choice. Even her character preview says the quizzy can try to win her heart as any race or gender.

[Scuttlebutt101]

 

To say that the romance doesn't work, because half of it isn't one gender/race and realistically that wouldn't be accepted by a noble family, is pretty much the same as saying the game only works with a human noble as the PC, because realistically Thedas would never accept a Dalish elf, a criminal dwarf or a Qunari merc as the maker's chosen.

Did I ever say that the romance doesn't work? All I said is that this subject should have been brought up in the romance arc. The issue with a non-human inquisitor was handled well enough - Thedas didn't accept them right away, they had to put some effort into winning hearts and minds.

 

 

It's not that simple. We see quite a few examples of childless nobles like Florianne and Gaspard as well as nobles who have lovers and no spouses.  We can cement a loveless noble marriage on the WT or sabotage it to allow lovers to be together in peace. Every noble doesn't have to produce an heir, as a rule. That's Dorian's deal and a major reason for that is because he's the only child of House Pavus and, of course, Tevinter culture is far different from Orlais' or Ferelden's.

The way I see it, having children isn't an absolute necessity for the nobles, but is strongly recommended, because appointing an heir becomes a lot more complicated otherwise. I'm fairly certain that choosing among relatives or non-family members results in feuds 95% of the time, probably 100% in Orlais.

 

We haven't seen a whole lot of Celene, Florianne and Gaspard's private lives. For all we know, Celene might have promised the Council of Heralds or whoever that she will definitely get married and produce an heir eventually and has been "postponing" this business ever since. Besides, Wasn't Gaspard in line for the throne specifically because she had no other heirs, despite him waging a war on her? So her childlessness (is that even a word) wasn't exatly inconsequential. And AFAIK, there's no evidence that the CoH hasn't been endlessly pestering her about it. Gaspard has been married before, so at least there was a chance that he would produce an heir. We don't know much about Florianne. Again, for all we know, the CoH or their parents or grandparents or whoever might be pestering them about children on every soiree.

 

I believe the issue of heirs is fairly important in Orlais and Ferelden as well. Eamon tried to persuade Cailan to divorce Anora because their marriage was childless. The fact that Alistair and fem!Cousland are unlikely to ever have children is the reason why Alistair is reluctant to marry her if he's made king. There's a reason why lord Whatshisname had Rainier eliminate Callier's entire family, and why Howe tried to slaughter every Cousland, including little Oren. 

 

Blights end, at least for a time, political skirmishes, military conflict, corruption, and noble maneuvering is forever. Given that the Inquisition is a much a political institution as it is military, the Inquisitor can stay relevant in ways the Grey Wardens never could (out of sight, out of mind and all that). Their specialty is singular. The Inquisition's specialty is diplomacy, peacekeeping, rebuilding infrastructure, and dealing with corruption in organizations like the Grey Wardens/Templars. Having a greater repertoire means a greater presence, which means continued relevance.  Add to that, it's partially the warden's traditions and secrecy that alienates them from the public. The Inquisition has much better PR from the get go. 

 

 

But theoretically the Inquisitor's relevance ultimately depends on how you play(ed) the game.

Maybe you're right, but judging by how quickly Celene forgets about her debt to the Inquisitor in one of the endings, I say all is possible. Dorian even points out that no one will thank them anyway. In HoF's case, the nobles in Amaranthine started scheming against her/him less than a year after Blight's end and while the Wardens were still pretty active. Also, if an elven Warden-Commander lets Amaranthine burn, people are quick to assume that it was an act of revenge against humans.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Pretty sure Josie was always the bi choice. Even her character preview says the quizzy can try to win her heart as any race or gender.

Just wish she'd acknowledge that she's in a relationship with a non human/woman despite being a noble hair rather then it being completely ignored the whole way through

[AresKeith]

I disagree with saying Josie was originally intended to be male only because of the duel. You wasn't dueling for her hand in marriage, you was dueling him because the Inquisitor loved her which I guess anybody can do the duel in that instance 

[dragonflight288]

I disagree with saying Josie was originally intended to be male only because of the duel. You wasn't dueling for her hand in marriage, you was dueling him because the Inquisitor loved her which I guess anybody can do the duel in that instance 

 

Or because Josephine says she and the Inquisitor must avoid being in a compromising position for however long it takes to call off the engagement, it could be months or years and our Inquisitor simply doesn't want to wait that long. 

[Wulfram]

IIRC Josephine has at least a couple of siblings, her marriage isn't vital to the continuation of the line.

Really, having too many people in your family can be just as much of a problem. There's only a certain amount of property to go around after all. Hence one reason why sticking people in the church where they wouldn't have official children was quite popular.

[dragonflight288]

IIRC Josephine has at least a couple of siblings, her marriage isn't vital to the continuation of the line.

Really, having too many people in your family can be just as much of a problem. There's only a certain amount of property to go around after all. Hence one reason why sticking people in the church where they wouldn't have official children was quite popular.

 

Now I'm imagining Yvette as the head of the family. 

[AresKeith]

Now I'm imagining Yvette as the head of the family. 

 

She'll marry Ezio

[caradoc2000]

Anyone else slightly enamored with Lord Ortranto? When I first saw him I was like "Dayum, he's kinda handsome...."

I just surprised nobody in this thread has suggested a threesome with Josephine and Otranto.

[HuldraDancer]

I just surprised nobody in this thread has suggested a threesome with Josephine and Otranto.

 

Give it time it will come eventually.

[OdanUrr]

What's the flag that starts the duel?

[Fiery Phoenix]

What's the flag that starts the duel?

After the quest concerning her family is finally complete, if you go to her office to see her, a cutscene should trigger where she tells you she just found out about her engagement. When you visit Val Royeaux then, the duel will play out.

 

I don't think it's possible to get the duel without completing her quest first.

[OdanUrr]

After the quest concerning her family is finally complete, if you go to her office to see her, a cutscene should trigger where she tells you she just found out about her engagement. When you visit Val Royeaux then, the duel will play out.

 

I don't think it's possible to get the duel without completing her quest first.

 

I have completed the quest in regards to her family (basically, elevating the Du Paraquettes into Orlesian nobility) and I even found the Montilyet family crest. However, the conversation that leads to the duel is not triggering for me. Do I have to complete a specific main quest?

[Wulfram]

I have completed the quest in regards to her family (basically, elevating the Du Paraquettes into Orlesian nobility) and I even found the Montilyet family crest. However, the conversation that leads to the duel is not triggering for me. Do I have to complete a specific main quest?

It triggers fairly late I think. IIRC after doing the warden plotline for me. Not sure if completing the Orlesian ball quest would do it as well.

[Han Shot First]

I have completed the quest in regards to her family (basically, elevating the Du Paraquettes into Orlesian nobility) and I even found the Montilyet family crest. However, the conversation that leads to the duel is not triggering for me. Do I have to complete a specific main quest?

 

It might have to be after Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts