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[Arlee]

I think they are going to tell the story of how the calling needs to be ended... but not in that way. They are going to come at it from a different angle which won't feature the previous Warden as the protagonist. There were tons of massive hints in DAI.

[BalefulMongoose]

You only have one warden? Man, you're missing out. I have like 6, and every one was different... hell, I had loghain show up in inquisition, and it was awesome. Origins is a game that deserves multiple playthroughs.

 

I did play Origins multiple times, but I was younger then and had more free time. I played through DA2 fewer times than Origins and now I'm struggling to find the time to complete a second play through of Inquistition. 

 

I mention 'My Warden' mainly to point out the number of variables that would need to be sorted through to bring the Warden back and in some cases he can't come back.

 

From how I understand it, you'll always play a new hero in each new Dragon Age. That was always the plan. So if the Warden returned he'd be a supporting character at best anyway, in which case I'd say don't bother. Hawke was different because he/she couldn't die in DA2 and his/her story ended on a cliffhanger whereas Origins provides a good amount of closure to the Warden's story.

 

And yes, Loghain is awesome.

[turuzzusapatuttu]

BioWare wrote this story, so some plot holes are to be expected. 

Oh you 

 

You only have one warden? Man, you're missing out. I have like 6, and every one was different... hell, I had loghain show up in inquisition, and it was awesome. Origins is a game that deserves multiple playthroughs.

After multiple pIaythroughs I usually build my canon story, thus I only have One Warden, One Hawke and One Inquisitor. I could not bear the disappointment of several Wardens or Hawkes ruined by BioWare 

[Mahumia]

I'm not sure if we get to play a warden again, but I guess it would be nice if you could choose to have it be the HoF. And if you don't want that, well, than just create a new one. Basically the same as for Awakening (HoF or Orlesian warden). In that way, those who want so can continue with their warden, and if you do not want it or have a dead warden, well, take the other option. 

[TK514]

I look forward to this book.

 

It will be titled "Warden", and two chapters in, the Warden will be captured by an intelligent Darkspawn and tortured for a decade.  The rest of the book will be about the intelligent Darkspawn and his place in the Darkspawn society.  Near the end of the book, the Warden will come back into the story as the Intelligent Darkspawn decides he needs help to overthrow a Blighted Magister.  In a shocking twist, during the climactic battle the Intelligent Darkspawn will have a vision, leading him to betray the Warden and turn him over to the Blighted Magister for a couple of hundred years of experimentation and imprisonment.

 

Then the Warden will return as a mid-level dungeon boss in BioWare's eventual Dragon Age MMO.

[Saphiron123]

So basically nearly everyone who doesn't want to see their warden again (assuming he lived, in which case you get a new PC anyway) is concerned bioware will screw it up?

By that train of thought they should abandon all our past decisions and start over fresh without concluding anything... I mean they could screw up all the characters, right?

[Saphiron123]

Entering darkspawn territory to investigate the calling would still be amazing story.

I'd rather take on the blight at it's source and save the world then spend the rest of the series having tea with the empress of Orlais.

[ThePhoenixKing]

I'd love to play a Calling-themed DLC featuring the Warden, or hell, just have the Wardens in general play a more positive role. I'm more than a little sick of the constant cynical dumping they got in Inquisition, so it'd be nice to have them be heroes again without this deconstructive nonsense. The Warden and the Awakening team going to hunt down the source of the Calling? What the hell are we waiting for? Allons-y, everyone!

[Ecol-i]

To be fair (or unfair, deppending on how you see it) the Wardens have been depicted as a "well meaning, but up to no good" group since DAO, with Sophia and Avernus going heywire and summoning a swarm of demons some years back, they where also previously exiled from Ferelden some decades ago.

 

I agree though, B.W. just hated the Wardens in DAI, they show up everywhere as villians (even amongst some Carta smugglers); but then again, they've always felt like a ticking time-bomb; but I love the idea of a Warden focused DLC... We still know very little about them, thta's why Wardens are a bit missunderstood in general...

 

Whatever happens though, if any DLC where to include the Wardens as the main focus the 1st thing that shoud happen in this add-on should be an operation: "Find the last of the Griffons"- locate such Griffon and use it as a flying mount ...

[Caddius]

I thought this was going to be a request for Bioware to make Hard in Hightown into a game.  

 

Seriously though, I will be very surprised if this isn't followed up in Dragon Age 4.  It's practically begging to be further investigated, especially given what we learn in DA:I about red lyrium, eleven gods and so on.  Excluding DA2, where the "big bad" could perhaps be best described as "fanaticism as a concept", the villains of DAO, DA:A and DA:I have all been deeply connected to darkspawn and the blight.

 

The Warden wont come back as a character.  I'm certain of this.  But that's not to say the Wardens quest wont also be taken up by a new protagonist.  At least someone in Thedas has to realise "hey, we keep on being nearly obliterated by darkspawn and the Grey Wardens aint looking so hot nowadays, perhaps someone should actually look into this so we can stop it".  And one viable way to stop the taint is to learn what it actually is.

And we can even include DA2 in having the Blight as an antagonistic force, since it drives Hawke and company to Kirkwall, and the red lyrium idol, tainted by the Blight, drives Meredith to further insanity on the Cycle of Templar/Mage Pain.

So 'Fanaticism as a concept*' as the antagonist for DA2, I guess.

*Guest-starring the Blight.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I'd love to play a Calling-themed DLC featuring the Warden, or hell, just have the Wardens in general play a more positive role. I'm more than a little sick of the constant cynical dumping they got in Inquisition, so it'd be nice to have them be heroes again without this deconstructive nonsense. The Warden and the Awakening team going to hunt down the source of the Calling? What the hell are we waiting for? Allons-y, everyone!

Since when they were heroes?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Since when they were heroes?

I can think of five times. The last time was in 9:29-9:30.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I can think of five times. The last time was in 9:29-9:30.

And what was in 9:29-9:30 because all i can recall is only 9:30 where grey warden order is demolished and it is hardly being hero.

[Warden Majere]

So basically nearly everyone who doesn't want to see their warden again (assuming he lived, in which case you get a new PC anyway) is concerned bioware will screw it up?

By that train of thought they should abandon all our past decisions and start over fresh without concluding anything... I mean they could screw up all the characters, right?

I wasn't trying to say that we "shouldn't" play the Warden again, I was saying that we "won't" play the Warden again. Bioware has said over and over again that we will never replay as a past protagonist. Though, I hope that the Warden doesn't come back at all... No cameo. Everyone's Warden is unique, and trying to bring in the Hero of Fereldan as just another NPC would be a major fail. I personally think that they failed with the Hawke cameo, and he only had 3 personality types to choose from. Imagine attempting to fit the Warden into the "Diplomatic, Sarcastic, or Aggressive" categories. I miss my Warden as much as the next guy (or gal), but that is why I'm replaying Origins.

 

Also, don't put words in my mouth. I think my past decisions are what make the sequels as amazing as they are. But that doesn't mean that I believe that the Warden should return. 

[Saphiron123]

I wasn't trying to say that we "shouldn't" play the Warden again, I was saying that we "won't" play the Warden again. Bioware has said over and over again that we will never replay as a past protagonist. Though, I hope that the Warden doesn't come back at all... No cameo. Everyone's Warden is unique, and trying to bring in the Hero of Fereldan as just another NPC would be a major fail. I personally think that they failed with the Hawke cameo, and he only had 3 personality types to choose from. Imagine attempting to fit the Warden into the "Diplomatic, Sarcastic, or Aggressive" categories. I miss my Warden as much as the next guy (or gal), but that is why I'm replaying Origins.

 

Also, don't put words in my mouth. I think my past decisions are what make the sequels as amazing as they are. But that doesn't mean that I believe that the Warden should return. 

Have to disagree with you... the day I don't believe bioware can do their past protagonists justice is the day I stop playing, because they won't do anybody justice. I'd prefer the warden as a PC, then it's a matter of dialogue based on your decisions, and the choices are in your hands.

I also don't think anew pc every game will ever be invested enough in our past decisions to really make them count. Like if the warden romanced morrigan or leliana, why can't we see the results of that, rather then a line or two of dialogue. Don't get me wrong, leliana talking about how the warden beat her at the urn of sacred ashes was great, but now i want to see her say it TO the warden. Another warden who romanced alistair should be able to meet him again, sre alistair can tell the story, but it'll never have the same impact.

Bioware games are about story, our decisions deserve more then passing mentions to new people... and hopefully bioware can pull it off, or dragon age truly did peak with origins.

While I may not agree with you, I approve of your name.

 

Since when they were heroes?

Well, seeing as how they've saved the world at least 5 times... I'd say they've had their moments. A few crappy wardens doesn't mean the whole order sucks.

This is why the HoF needs to return, to set the record straight with some old fashioned heroism.

[KaiserShep]

Would the playable Warden start us off at level 35? Because mine was at the end of Witch Hunt. She was a rogue fortress. If she was reduced to a lvl 1 noob that had to relearn all of her talents I would be ever so p*ssed.

[Warden Majere]

Have to disagree with you... the day I don't believe bioware can do their past protagonists justice is the day I stop playing, because they won't do anybody justice. I'd prefer the warden as a PC, then it's a matter of dialogue based on your decisions, and the choices are in your hands.

I also don't think anew pc every game will ever be invested enough in our past decisions to really make them count. Like if the warden romanced morrigan or leliana, why can't we see the results of that, rather then a line or two of dialogue. Don't get me wrong, leliana talking about how the warden beat her at the urn of sacred ashes was great, but now i want to see her say it TO the warden. Another warden who romanced alistair should be able to meet him again, sre alistair can tell the story, but it'll never have the same impact.

Bioware games are about story, our decisions deserve more then passing mentions to new people... and hopefully bioware can pull it off, or dragon age truly did peak with origins.

While I may not agree with you, I approve of your name.

 

Well, seeing as how they've saved the world at least 5 times... I'd say they've had their moments. A few crappy wardens doesn't mean the whole order sucks.

This is why the HoF needs to return, to set the record straight with some old fashioned heroism.

First of all, I want to apologize for the hostility in my previous post. I was having a terrible day, and I took a bit of that out on you. I really do believe that they could pull off making the HoF a playable character once again. Sadly, as I said before, they never will. But, I don't believe that they could do the Warden justice as just another cameo, as they did with Hawke. The Warden's personality was too complex, had too many angles to be brought in as a NPC.  

 

I do agree with you however, in the fact that they should do more in regards to your past decisions, such as romances. The way it has been handled is sloppy at best. Though, it is understandable. Thedas is a big world, and many people reside within it. Also, it has been 10 years since the end of the Blight, and most of Thedas probably wants to forget it and move on. Duncan did say that the Wardens are easily forgotten. 

 

And finally, thank you! The name is in honor of My Warden. I based him off of my namesake, and favorite fantasy character of all time, Raistlin Majere. 

[ThePhoenixKing]

Well, seeing as how they've saved the world at least 5 times... I'd say they've had their moments. A few crappy wardens doesn't mean the whole order sucks.

This is why the HoF needs to return, to set the record straight with some old fashioned heroism.

 

Hell yeah! If nothing else, it might also serve to restore the darkspawn's menace; they've been getting steadly nerfed over the course of the franchise, and it would be nice to have them as a genuine threat again. The Hero of Ferelden, fighting alongside his or her brothers in the Wardens against an unrelenting foe; altogether far more interesting than the dullness of the Inquisition and hunting for shards.

[Ash Wind]

I wouldn't get your hopes up. There were all kinds of things they could have done with the HoF that didn't involve a Blight, but didn't. I think all references to them will be either via codex or conversations.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well, seeing as how they've saved the world at least 5 times... I'd say they've had their moments. A few crappy wardens doesn't mean the whole order sucks.

This is why the HoF needs to return, to set the record straight with some old fashioned heroism.

Grey wardens saved world only 4 times 5 time HoF saved word without wardens support and s/he was pc that was shaped by player. Also that don't make them heroes series pretty much makes it clear that grey wardens are at best darker anti-heroes with few true heroic individuals so in fact their portrait in dai is correct.

 

And no HoF was only heroic if you played him as one he could be anything from hero through anti-hero finishing on straight villain protagonist.

[Aburai]

For starters, we know what the Calling is. When Cory and the other magisters entered the Black City, they were corrupted, and cast back to Thedas. Thus did the Darkspawn come into being. At this point, we all know that the Creators and Old Gods existed. We also know that the Gods took an active role in the lives of their mortals. The Calling is the link between the Darkspawn, and the Old Gods that made their creation possible. The Calling is what gives the Old Gods/Archdemons the ability to control Darkspawn. This is also why Cory can control those bearing the Taint.

Second, I am a very firm believer that the Architect is indeed one of the magisters that physically entered the Fade with Corypheus. The physical design, as well as his extraordinary knowledge and control of the Taint is to much to overlook. If this is the case, then we have met two of the magisters. Also, this would mean that the Architect survived no matter what you chose.

Third, Bioware has stated on more than one occasion that they will not give you control of your previous PCs. This is not Mass Effect, and it's not the story of any one character. This is the story of Thedas, and it's people. I felt as though Hawke was completely butchered in Inquisition (in more ways than one ). Bioware will never be able to bring the Warden back for one major reason, and it's not the voice actor. Dragon Age is a role playing game, and thus every Warden and Hawke is unique to the role that we as the players saw fit for them to fill. If you flip through the forums, you will always see these characters referenced as "My Warden", "My Hawke", "My Inquisitor". Because each one truly is unique to the person playing them. This is why Bioware can never hope to properly portray our previous characters.

Finally, the Northern regions are being saved for the next game, for the next adventure, for the next Hero. I do hope that they expand upon some of the local regions in future DLC, such as Denerim and Val Royeaux.

P.S. If you have managed to read to the end of my unnecessarily long reply, then thank you for allowing me to rant to you! If you have not, then I have nothing to say to you, as you will not read it anyway....

It would be a tough order, but BW could do it. Reintroduce the Warden by having them do something badass, then starting them largely as a blank slate, much like DA:O. I already gave most of my opinions on the matter here: http://forum.bioware...ardens-calling/

[Eliastion]

Would the playable Warden start us off at level 35? Because mine was at the end of Witch Hunt. She was a rogue fortress. If she was reduced to a lvl 1 noob that had to relearn all of her talents I would be ever so p*ssed.

Well, DA:I makes it pretty clear that leveling doesn't represent real power progression - what level are you at when recruiting a former First Enchanter Vivienne, for example? And then there's Cassandra and Varrick (both should be reasonably powerful yet they join at level 1, also Solas (but he could be faking being weak), then Dragon Bull that is supposedly a great warrior and leader of his own mercenary company but can be acqired pretty early...

Then you have those bandits/deserters in later areas that could wipe the floor with rebel mages and rogue templar order... simultaneously.

[Egermano]

I don't like what Bioware did to Grey Wardens in Inquisition. GWs are my true heroes in Dragon Age, and I'm not changing my mind, Origins was such a good story. I sacrificed my Hawke instead of Stroud without a second thought. I was disgusted by Blackwall's backstory, but still, I saved him because his involvement with the GWs.  It's a real shame that this is the portrait GWs got in Inquisition. A few War Table missions don't set them straight after what they did. Bioware needs to do justice to their broken image. The GWs story will continue, that's for sure, it is hinted in the epilogue. But what will that story be? I really hope that the writers redeem them.

 

Whatever their story, I hope it will involve my Hero somehow. She is THE Grey Warden to me. She should have an impact on the GW story, she should show up in the game in a meaningful way. Perhaps we can even meet her in person. Just don't make her say anything...

 

As a PC... I don't think its a good idea. Her game is over.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I don't like what Bioware did to Grey Wardens in Inquisition. GWs are my true heroes in Dragon Age, and I'm not changing my mind, Origins was such a good story. I sacrificed my Hawke instead of Stroud without a second thought. I was disgusted by Blackwall's backstory, but still, I saved him because his involvement with the GWs.  It's a real shame that this is the portrait GWs got in Inquisition. A few War Table missions don't set them straight after what they did. Bioware needs to do justice to their broken image. The GWs story will continue, that's for sure, it is hinted in the epilogue. But what will that story be? I really hope that the writers redeem them.

 

Whatever their story, I hope it will involve my Hero somehow. She is THE Grey Warden to me. She should have an impact on the GW story, she should show up in the game in a meaningful way. Perhaps we can even meet her in person. Just don't make her say anything...

 

As a PC... I don't think its a good idea. Her game is over.

LoL grey wardens weren't portrayed any differently in dai than in dao as game outright says that grey warden are pretty much about being completely ruthless to accomplish their goals so it isn't that grey wardens were ever knights in shining armor they were always about "end justifies the means".

[Colonelkillabee]

The main thing I care about right now is the old gods and their calling, but I'd rather they tell about it in a book through the eyes of another without saying much about the warden. That's more likely to happen than us yet again being HoF.